PG woes
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He had some deficiencies, but he's a pure point guard and would have been huge for our perimeter defense as well.
No room for Thornton. K bringing in Jackson in my opinion sealed the deal. Too many guards and he probably knew minutes would be way down. 2010 team had no true point, this team can win it all, just need to stay together and hungry
On another note. Duke has been improving weekly when it comes to setting up the offense and distributing the ball. There are still some defensive concerns, but that seems to be working itself out as well. Not having a PG isn't ideal, but when Duke is at their best, I like them anyways. It's just getting them to be at their best more consistently that is the challenge.
I absolutely hate this narrative. Jackson was in no way recruited to challenge Thornton for minutes. Thornton would have been the only PG on this team. Jackson already sees limited action this year. You really think he would be taking minutes at PG from a sophomore who averaged 26 minutes a game as a freshman?
Wow didn't know Thornton averaged that much in minutes but he left on his own and while gripes can be made as to why. If he left because of Jackson that would only mean he didn't want to compete because imo this team would of been his from jump
Made me sick when he transferred. That has put a major void in Dukes team and what they do. He was quick and could stay in front of quicker guards which is our nemesis this year. We are so slow when a team decides to put the ball on the floor and penetrate and our help defense is nonexistent for the most part. Thornton was by far not the PG in the ACC but he was good enough to keep Duke legit with on ball defense and driving and dishing
I'd rather have Jackson over Thornton any day. He averaged 26 minutes a game out of lack of options last year. I'm not taking anything away from him but guards this year are better. No one can say he's better than jackson
Jackson is better than Thornton. And we are WAY better off not having his "uncle" making demands to the coaching staff.
Yeah, we've had enough ego this year. He would've helped guard depth but probably would've stoked the "my minutes" fire.
Coach K really frustrates me sometimes. I don't understand why he refuses to play different lineups and give people minutes. Bolden and Giles will never get up to speed at this pace. It scares me because big men around the country are seeing this and may stop coming to Duke. Why can't we just have a balanced team? The lack of a real point guard shows when the bigs go all game and gets only 5 touches in the post. People don't even respect the post against us. I just don't understand. If we have 70 possessions in a game the bigs should get at least 20 touches in the post. All of them are pretty good passers out of the post so it will open up the perimeter. That's why we go on those droughts and people erase our leads so fast. Definitely need a point guard though. True point guards get everyone involved
Have you won over a 1000 games? If not, go root for UNX.
Well there's not a lot we can do without a true pg right now. We will just have to go with what we have and how Coach K chooses to cover for it. Not having a true pg is why I don't care for stall ball. You need someone like Phil Ford or Bobby Hurley who can handle the ball under pressure and get the ball to someone who can score before the shot clock goes off. OFC
Not a loss at all. Frank Jackson is infinitely better than Thornton and he needs way more minutes than what he is getting. Thornton would get even less. In my opinion, the usage of Frank Jackson is the biggest mistake the coaching staff has made all season long. If they would roll out there Jackson, Allen, Kennard, Tatum, and Giles this team would be be so much better offensively. Jones needs to be a 6th man / defensive replacement, while Jefferson and Bolden need to spell Giles and ride the hot hand. You watch, once Jackson starts getting heavy minutes for Duke he will be an absolute star. Freakshow athlete and one hell of a competitor.
Sure. I agree mostly with that assessment. I was more responding to the notion that Jackson was the reason Thornton left. Thornton's uncle played more of a role than Jackson.
Ahh yes, the mindless response. Look, common sense says that playing your gassed starters @ 60% vs. your 5-star bench @ 100% is a dumb move. Pretending Coach K is infallible is foolish. He has 'his way' and in certain situations, his way is sub-optimal. It doesn't really both me much anymore, but attacking another poster for stating the obvious does bother me.
Oh I see you're one of those types. Sad! Don't act like he can't get outcoached any given game because he won 1000 games
Jefferson has to start. I can agree with Matt coming off the bench. He would be that energy guy off the bench. He explodes in spurts and then he disappears. Dude makes big plays though. I just hope K starts playing 8 players and stop running the starting 5 into the ground. No way Giles and Bolden shouldn't have played in the second half. It's like he's allergic to running a big lineup more than 2 minutes.
Wish Thornton could of come with less baggage, I liked his potential on defense, and he will develop a nice offensive game. That being said, you aren't owed anything, just because you have some basketball ability. You must work for the things you want. He didn't like how things worked at Duke, despite a ton of court time, and now he's at a program that will bend for him. I wish him the best of luck, and hope he never has to experience the real world, because if he does, he's in for a rude awakening on how things work.
I trust the guy that see's how the players are performing in practice. You don't have to agree with everything, but he has a broader picture then we do.
Criticizing Coach K is not bad to do as a Duke fan because we will all admit he's one of the best ever. Having said that though, Allen was not the same after he turned his ankle and I see the argument for playing Giles and Bolden more in 2nd half. Today the boys needed energy and maybe playing some of the bench could have helped. I don't care how spent they were after beating the Holes, this game shouldn't have been that close at home
i think they play well in practice. when the game comes he gets impatient when they mess up once and then tunnel vision after that. we won't win a championship unless bolden and giles start getting minutes. he has to let them play through mistakes. I watched Gonzaga tonight and there's no way we can beat them without giles and bolden getting minutes. we need those big bodies. 15 minutes a piece isn't too much to ask is it?
I think it will happen, the timing of it is unknown, but I think there is a plan. Both Bolden and Giles need confidence and to think less and to be automatic in their assignments on the floor. Coach King must feel that building them up behind the scenes is the best way to get them where they need to be to contribute.
With Giles, there appears to be an understanding. they seem to be taking it easy, and he is contributing in his time on the floor. I wish that time could be extended, with more and more quality minutes, but it doesn't seem like they're quiet there yet for whatever reason. It doesn't seem to be a doghouse situation, or displeasure in his play, but a combination of limitations.
Bolden, has shown some signs, but I feel like he may adjusting to college basketball. Ithe seems as though K has been attempting to send him a message. I'm not sure Bolden'so issue has as much to do with game days as it does to the days leading up to it. I'm speculating here, but I think I've seen some signs of a guy that is starting to by in, and I'm expecting him to be in the type of shape he needs to be in to give the effort expected of him on game day. I guess we will see how it plays out.
Some of you couldn't be more short sighted and shallow! This isn't fricken middle school ball where we need to play equal minutes! K plays who he thinks gives the best chance to win. Is it working??? We looked like a damn NIT team playing 10 players, and trust me, you same morons sure let us know that as well!!! We are Fing winning and will continue to win and move up the seed line, that's not enough??
As for the Gonzaga argument, how funny.... we just beat what is probably the best "big" team in the country and we're talking about no chance to beat damn gonzaga!!
Most of us find things to be happy for, and find positives, and it's pretty damn easy as a Duke fan......a few of you dream of ways to be that whiny never happy bi$?@!!!
Questioning K after that game is absolutely beyond idiotic!! He dumped his heart into that game! Early time outs, suit coat off, coaching the crazies ...... K willed this team to fight, nobody realizes how bad a loss there would have hurt! We can thank K for that!!!!!
As for the Gonzaga argument, how funny.... we just beat what is probably the best "big" team in the country and we're talking about no chance to beat damn gonzaga!!
Most of us find things to be happy for, and find positives, and it's pretty damn easy as a Duke fan......a few of you dream of ways to be that whiny never happy bi$?@!!!
Questioning K after that game is absolutely beyond idiotic!! He dumped his heart into that game! Early time outs, suit coat off, coaching the crazies ...... K willed this team to fight, nobody realizes how bad a loss there would have hurt! We can thank K for that!!!!!
I never said he couldn't get out coached. I just don't think he should be getting out coached from a guy sitting on his couch that hasn't been to one practice and has no idea of Coach K's thought process. I've said this many times, it's pretty damn easy to sit in the stands or at home and second guess everything a coach does.
I wouldn't worry about him not landing big men either. All you have to do is look at how our former bigs are doing in the NBA. He will play Giles and Bolden the minutes that they have earned or that they're ready for.
People address their concerns here, not everyone agrees. You state some good points, and some others state some good points too. Can someone not have an opinion on K? Yes he's the greatest but you won't sit there and admit that he's stubborn sometimes? To me he's the best ever, but that doesn't make him perfect. No one can sit there and say the blindly follow K, if so they know very little about the game. He plays who will give him best chance, I agree, but you know yesterday's game was way too close. Disagree with someone but leave the name calling at home, you're right this isn't middle school
Yes he is and needs to come back to continue to improve. We do badly need to sign a legit point. I just hope like crazy they have a backup plan in case Duval does not come.
Shame on you Sky, mentioning Phil Ford in same sentence w/Bobby Hurley. Ford never won a natty! Bobby won twice as many! Just kidding- I know what ya mean...(couldnt resist in my tarhole hatred!)
OFC
One could argue the worst Duke has looked this season has been when the minutes were more heavily distributed.
I find myself thinking during a lot of games that I would love to see more of Giles, but I know that is more about my wishful thinking about who he could be, when in reality it is clear that he isn't ready to be that guy yet.
I find myself thinking during a lot of games that I would love to see more of Giles, but I know that is more about my wishful thinking about who he could be, when in reality it is clear that he isn't ready to be that guy yet.
I get frustrated sometimes when K doesn't play people. I just have to tell myself that this is a man with over 1,000 wins and 5 championships and I am a man who sits on my couch and watches.
Huffy, I have to agree with you that Duke has looked lost a lot of times when they tried to distribute minutes. The State game was a loss put directly on the coach. He went away from what works with this team. To his credit, he saw that some changes needed to be made and tried something different. Unfortunately, they weren't the right changes.
Huffy, I have to agree with you that Duke has looked lost a lot of times when they tried to distribute minutes. The State game was a loss put directly on the coach. He went away from what works with this team. To his credit, he saw that some changes needed to be made and tried something different. Unfortunately, they weren't the right changes.
Mac this was really what I meant when I said I thought we made it too tough on ourselves...Good point about Grayson, and Harry's rebounding 1st half could have provided a boost in 2nd. Just glad we eked it out ultimately....OFC
It was pretty clear the great majority of people, certainly including K and the staff, knew that game was gonna be tough. Anybody looking for a 20 point comfy win was never going to be satisfied.
You need to realize, yes maybe bolden and Giles come in and rebound well and get some put backs even, but obviously the man in charge feels like that risk/reward doesn't favor Duke winning in that particular game. It will be game to game, possession by possession moving forward as far as the guys outside the top 6-7 value. I wish we were winning by 35 and playing everybody and dunking all over for 40 mins (like we thought this season might be) but that's not ever gonna be the case this year. I'm personally about whatever gives us the best chance for a deep run.... I don't care if that's with 3 guys playing.
IN K I TRUST..... even more so when he's throwing his jacket , going nuts in a huddle and coaching the crowd!!! K is gonna will this run, go ahead and doubt the man, ILL SEND YA PICS FROM PHOENIX
You need to realize, yes maybe bolden and Giles come in and rebound well and get some put backs even, but obviously the man in charge feels like that risk/reward doesn't favor Duke winning in that particular game. It will be game to game, possession by possession moving forward as far as the guys outside the top 6-7 value. I wish we were winning by 35 and playing everybody and dunking all over for 40 mins (like we thought this season might be) but that's not ever gonna be the case this year. I'm personally about whatever gives us the best chance for a deep run.... I don't care if that's with 3 guys playing.
IN K I TRUST..... even more so when he's throwing his jacket , going nuts in a huddle and coaching the crowd!!! K is gonna will this run, go ahead and doubt the man, ILL SEND YA PICS FROM PHOENIX