Philips transfers

[Doctor_D]

Never said it was all coaching, Rochester has other things in their favor as well, their location next to the crappy Springfield schools and demographics also help, but DL is what separates them from the rest of 4A..

Success factor was the answer to everyone complaining that all private schools should be treated equally, that a school like St Francis should be treated the same as Montini.. I don't like it either, get rid of the multiplier and the success factor, and put the open enrollment schools in their own classes..

As far as public schools having a success factor.. your school is hardly a great baseball program, 10 years ago they had a great 3 year run because a group of one kids.. how on earth would it have been fair to the kids that followed them to play 3A baseball? Rochester plays by the same rules as most of 4A, with what the bus drops off, why penalize them for success?

And to mc140, good call on the PC team that made it to the quarters, i forgot they had a great group a few years later..

First, I certainly agree that DL is an excellent coach. One of the best ever. I also agree that Rochester has an ideal environment.

I have a hard time with success factor saying team A has been too successful, they have to move up, while Team B has been even more successful but they get to stand pat. If it's truly about success, it should apply to everyone. It's clearly not. It's a busted rule.

The only rule that would possibly work is FE with open enrollment multiplier and a waiver system (reverse success factor)

Even that is almost certainly too convoluted. Should just go with separate classes like Texas and many other states already do.

With all that said, still doesn't address what to do with Phillips being basically open boundary but not really treated as such.

 

[dcaudle68]

http://cps.edu/ScriptLibrary/Map-SchoolLocator/index.html

Type in Phillips and it gives you their boundary.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

http://cps.edu/ScriptLibrary/Map-SchoolLocator/index.html

Type in Phillips and it gives you their boundary.

I did. It's a pretty big boundary probably 8 or 9 miles long and 1-2 miles wide at some points, all going through the heart of the city from the river on the north to 63rd on the south. Unlike most public schools that have one school per boundary, there are multiple public high schools within the boundary that Phillips has.

 

[BBCHS77]

I did. It's a pretty big boundary probably 8 or 9 miles long and 1-2 miles wide at some points, all going through the heart of the city from the river on the north to 63rd on the south. Unlike most public schools that have one school per boundary, there are multiple public high schools within the boundary that Phillips has.

And it must be bigger than that, last year they interviewed a kid and he was talking about his commute from around 111th

 

[dcaudle68]

And it must be bigger than that, last year they interviewed a kid and he was talking about his commute from around 111th

That's the rub, they "technically" have a boundary but they are allowed to go outside of it for "special" programs.

 

[JMcgee!!]

If that is the case, why should private schools be moved up? They are following the rules that are set by the IHSA. Wasn't the multiplier set up to level the playing field? If that is the case, all other rules should be administered uniformly to all the schools in the association. Using your logic, what is Naz and SHG doing any different than the rest of the open enrollment schools? They all have the ability to do whatever Naz, SHG and Montini are doing, so why are those successful schools penalized.

Agree 100%. Moct strong public school programs "attract student athletes due to their success" but aren't penalized. Rochester gets transfers and move ins on a regular basis. Just Saying multiplier should be enough.

 

[BBCHS77]

Agree 100%. Moct strong public school programs "attract student athletes due to their success" but aren't penalized. Rochester gets transfers and move ins on a regular basis. Just Saying multiplier should be enough.

Can you put together a list of these regular transfers that Rochester gets?

 

[Wags14]

When a large number of kids jump to a particular school solely for football reasons (year after year), I really have a problem with it. I'm all in if a student is seeking the best education (or a specialized subject like the IMSA), but this situation with Phillips is getting ridiculous. It is time for schools like Phillips to be multiplied. They are gaining a competitive advantage... benefiting from the open boundary option of a private and the no tuition of a public. I am glad that they petitioned to move up in class this year but they are still three classes from the top. What are the current IHSA success factor rules for open boundary public schools?

Aren't NN's 2 best players transfers??

 

[Saluki88]

Is the bump up to 5A for Phillips based on enrollment?

 

[Ogre5530]

That's the rub, they "technically" have a boundary but they are allowed to go outside of it for "special" programs.

"Special programs" LOL...the same special programs that Rockford Auburn uses...Gifted, ROTC, and homelessness program even though many kids live in the same house for 4 years. Amazing how some of these programs work for these schools.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

First, I certainly agree that DL is an excellent coach. One of the best ever. I also agree that Rochester has an ideal environment.

I have a hard time with success factor saying team A has been too successful, they have to move up, while Team B has been even more successful but they get to stand pat. If it's truly about success, it should apply to everyone. It's clearly not. It's a busted rule.

The only rule that would possibly work is FE with open enrollment multiplier and a waiver system (reverse success factor)

Even that is almost certainly too convoluted. Should just go with separate classes like Texas and many other states already do.

With all that said, still doesn't address what to do with Phillips being basically open boundary but not really treated as such.

Amen brother, sing it loud.

 

[NNFAN]

Aren't NN's 2 best players transfers??

Are you kidding Fisk72??? One has ALWAYS lived in the NN boundary, and I'm sure his parent's would gladly show you their property tax bill. The other MOVED to Naperville from central Illinois. Not even close to the same situation. And shame on FalconPadre for showing such ignorance.

 

[Anon1754760634]

Is the bump up to 5A for Phillips based on enrollment?

No they petitioned to play up Phillips enrollment like most CPL schools is in decline

 

[Hinterland]

It's a tough call. Last year's Naz team is a good example. As I understand it, you guys had some key injuries (QB position) which hindered the offense. But, injuries aside, Naz was very young. Should last year's team be "successed up" because the previous two teams were great teams? One can make the argument that the current class should not be "classified" by the results of the prior two.

However, when you are talking about results like Rochester (6 titles in 7 years), it seems the "success factor" should be applied. Is it reasonable to project Rochester as the favorites in 4A this year? Is it reasonable to suggest that they (Rochester) and the rest of 4A would benefit from tougher competition in a higher class? I'd say 7 years is pretty good sample size.

 

[Hinterland]

Not the same exact thing, not even close.. now if private schools want to stick to defined boundaries, then lets talk..

And what "defined boundaries" would you propose?

 

[FalconPadre]

Are you kidding Fisk72??? One has ALWAYS lived in the NN boundary, and I'm sure his parent's would gladly show you their property tax bill. The other MOVED to Naperville from central Illinois. Not even close to the same situation. And shame on FalconPadre for showing such ignorance.

Say what?

 

[BBCHS77]

Let the IHSA and schools decide that, as the size of the district increases so does their multiplier