Phillips 22 Herscher 13 half

[Cross Bones]

Really, i hate to defend HHS... But you guys arguments arent making any sense. None. Its pretty obvious that Phillips is a good team, it goes without saying.

I mean damn, if the Herscher kids made the game tighter than expected give em credit and move on. Its not like its Bradley going 9-0...

Personally I want Phillips to wipe the floor with Rochester, but that does not mean I hide my head in the sand about the reality of the situation. And actually after watching the Althoff-Rochester game I am not sure that Rochester isnt the favorite slightly.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

I am talking Althoff, not other CPS schools!

Yep... not strange that the rest are so bad? But the one getting all the transfers is winning a state title??

They have taken the Simeon basketball blue print and applied it to football.. its no longer about coaching and working hard in the off season, its about recruiting the most talent..

 

[cornerrat]

Give me a list of kids that transferred into Rochester HS

All....Sure the Cox twins moved in last year, one other stud receiver his name escapes me at the moment (had over 150 yards receiving against SHG) from Mt. Zion this year. A couple of more from the past all playmakers Conrady from Lincoln, the Letts, two kids one stud defensive footballer and a girl that was outstanding in her own right playing other sports.

Rochester isn't quite this magical little town that is always producing outstanding home talent. Even the Rockets 6' 7" all world receiver Stallworth moved in although many years ago.

Those are just the ones I know of. The Cox twins by the way are the heart and soul of the Rockets team. Able (and do) play multiple positions. Without the twins the success of the team these past two years would be far different .... Ratsy

 

[LHSTigers94]

Yep... not strange that the rest are so bad? But the one getting all the transfers is winning a state title??

They have taken the Simeon basketball blue print and applied it to football.. its no longer about coaching and working hard in the off season, its about recruiting the most talent..

Yes the rest are bad and in some cases very bad. My point is if transfers is the only reason for success, there are more than 9 kids in the City that can play ball. Several other teams can follow the same format right?

 

[HHSTigerFan]

All....Sure the Cox twins moved in last year, one other stud receiver his name escapes me at the moment (had over 150 yards receiving against SHG) from Mt. Zion this year. A couple of more from the past all playmakers Conrady from Lincoln, the Letts, two kids one stud defensive footballer and a girl that was outstanding in her own right playing other sports.

Rochester isn't quite this magical little town that is always producing outstanding home talent. Even the Rockets 6' 7" all world receiver Stallworth moved in although many years ago.

Those are just the ones I know of. The Cox twins by the way are the heart and soul of the Rockets team. Able (and do) play multiple positions. Without the twins the success of the team these past two years would be far different .... Ratsy

The key word is they MOVED into the district...

Only difference makes I see are the Cox brothers and maybe Conrady

 

[cornerrat]

All..... Not key at all.... I know quite well they moved in. Just a different way of moving into a school for football reasons. Case closed counselor. Ratsy

 

[Anon1745941766]

Phillips was good. Stopped Herscher's run game for the first time all year. One thing that I saw was Herscher had the slant open all day to Stuart. Their corner obviously couldn't hang with him but I saw the play called once, maybe twice and it went for 20-30 yards. Run that coupled with a slant and go or a wheel route and maybe Herscher makes it a one possession game. But props to Phillips, that #32 or whatever was obviously hurting late in the game and still ran people over.

Also that was some of the worst officiating I've seen in a high school game in a long time and most of their calls were benefiting Herscher. A badly blown Inadvertent Whistle and lots of missed calls all over the place.

 

[Parentofthree]

All....Sure the Cox twins moved in last year, one other stud receiver his name escapes me at the moment (had over 150 yards receiving against SHG) from Mt. Zion this year. A couple of more from the past all playmakers Conrady from Lincoln, the Letts, two kids one stud defensive footballer and a girl that was outstanding in her own right playing other sports.

Rochester isn't quite this magical little town that is always producing outstanding home talent. Even the Rockets 6' 7" all world receiver Stallworth moved in although many years ago.

Those are just the ones I know of. The Cox twins by the way are the heart and soul of the Rockets team. Able (and do) play multiple positions. Without the twins the success of the team these past two years would be far different .... Ratsy

FYI Stallworth has been in Rochester since Kindergarten. His mom grew up in Rochester as well. This is our 8th year in football program. With the exception of last couple years the only other player we got was a kid that was in our oldest son's grade. His family moved to Rochester before his 8th grade year due to employment transfer.

 

[cornerrat]

All.... Yes concerning Stallworth I said many years ago. The point is Rochester has been and is benefiting from playmaking footballers moving in. NOTHING wrong with that. As is there is nothing wrong with a kid going to a private school outside what would be his normal public school district as long as it's 30 miles or in. Of course in that instance there is a price to pay for the school and the kid. But it is what it is.... Ratsy

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Wike kid grew up in Rochester, moved to Decatur and family kept 2 houses.. For his senior year he moved back to Rochester..Is he the 5th best reciever on the team???? Yeah, thats JUST like the D1 kids Phillips get.. lol

Stallworth and Cooley moved into the district well

All.... Yes concerning Stallworth I said many years ago. The point is Rochester has been and is benefiting from playmaking footballers moving in. NOTHING wrong with that. As is there is nothing wrong with a kid going to a private school outside what would be his normal public school district as long as it's 30 miles or in. Of course in that instance there is a price to pay for the school and the kid. But it is what it is.... Ratsy

If a kid in Williamsville wants to go to Rochester, the family has to sell their house and move.. If they want to to to SHG, they dont have to do that, they just go.. thats why SHG gets a multiplier and Rochester doesnt.. thats also why people complain about the private schools and not Rochester, one is playing by the same rules as everyone else and the private schools are not..

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Phillips was good. Stopped Herscher's run game for the first time all year. One thing that I saw was Herscher had the slant open all day to Stuart. Their corner obviously couldn't hang with him but I saw the play called once, maybe twice and it went for 20-30 yards. Run that coupled with a slant and go or a wheel route and maybe Herscher makes it a one possession game. But props to Phillips, that #32 or whatever was obviously hurting late in the game and still ran people over.

Also that was some of the worst officiating I've seen in a high school game in a long time and most of their calls were benefiting Herscher. A badly blown Inadvertent Whistle and lots of missed calls all over the place.

Phillips stopped the run game, big part of that was because our 1500 yd running back was standing on the sideline with his pads off.. that kid is also our MLB, if he is in there Phillips probably doesnt rush for over 300 yards.. not saying we win, but a lot closer game

 

[cornerrat]

Wike kid grew up in Rochester, moved to Decatur and family kept 2 houses.. For his senior year he moved back to Rochester..Is he the 5th best reciever on the team???? Yeah, thats JUST like the D1 kids Phillips get.. lol

Stallworth and Cooley moved into the district well


If a kid in Williamsville wants to go to Rochester, the family has to sell their house and move.. If they want to to to SHG, they dont have to do that, they just go.. thats why SHG gets a multiplier and Rochester doesnt.. thats also why people complain about the private schools and not Rochester, one is playing by the same rules as everyone else and the private schools are not..

All.... Semantics ..... Both schools get the player just in a different way. The privates are mutiplied so this perceived advantage you speak of at great length is fixed. Sorry it's not enough in your opinion. Please continue clinging to your opinion. I find it amusing.... Ratsy

 

[HHSTigerFan]

They are completely different, one family has to move to accomplish it.. thus the multiplier

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Whiners are gonna whine.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Whiners are gonna whine.

Says the guy that was griping that I didnt say how well Phillips played... lol

Heck, with Phillips, even the CPS guys say Phillips needs to be multiplied.. but in your little world anyone that wants an equal system is no a whiner??? Does that also make every coach thats ever questioned a call a whiner????

 

[USD24]

They are completely different, one family has to move to accomplish it.. thus the multiplier

And one has to pay $13000 a year!

 

[HHSTigerFan]

And one has to pay $13000 a year!

We have had several people here admit their schools have top athletes not paying tuition.. I know for a fact that Mac is the same way..

 

[cornerrat]

They are completely different, one family has to move to accomplish it.. thus the multiplier

All.... You continue to cling on to that point. Quite amusing really. With both scenarios a school benefits. It's not that hard to understand. And I repeat this perceived problem is fixed by yes the multiplier. Ratsy

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Whiners whine about what they can't achieve winners talk about what they accomplished which are you?

You wanna stop the "unfairness"? Beat one of these teams. Get better at football.

It's funny I didn't hear any chatter from you in BM this year. Guess it didn't fit your narrative.

 

[dcaudle68]

Phillips stopped the run game, big part of that was because our 1500 yd running back was standing on the sideline with his pads off.. that kid is also our MLB, if he is in there Phillips probably doesnt rush for over 300 yards.. not saying we win, but a lot closer game

And Phillips all-state 2,000 yard rusher never stepped foot on the field that night. That was a backup that got the 300 yards so it pretty much evened out IMO.

 

[Doctor_D]

You guys are ridiculous. To think that Herscher, IL, population nill, should beat what is basically a Chicago al star team. It remains to be seen how Phillips does vs Rochester, but the middle classes of the IHSA are currently screwed up and I think that some changes should be made.
Bring back foot ball enrollment.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

And Phillips all-state 2,000 yard rusher never stepped foot on the field that night. That was a backup that got the 300 yards so it pretty much evened out IMO.

Not when the Herscher kid is an all state caliber MLB as well.

 

[LHSTigers94]

You guys are ridiculous. To think that Herscher, IL, population nill, should beat what is basically a Chicago al star team. It remains to be seen how Phillips does vs Rochester, but the middle classes of the IHSA are currently screwed up and I think that some changes should be made.
Bring back foot ball enrollment.

Is Rochester bigger than Herscher? I've never been to Herscher so I don't know.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Whiners whine about what they can't achieve winners talk about what they accomplished which are you?

You wanna stop the "unfairness"? Beat one of these teams. Get better at football.

It's funny I didn't hear any chatter from you in BM this year. Guess it didn't fit your narrative.

Why should schools be be forced to beat a CPS All Star team rather than expect the IHSA to get their heads out of their asses and create an even system??? Phillips has a boundary just like the other public schools, the difference is they are allowed to have kids that also live outside of the district.. let us also get kids from outside our district and lets see what happens, then it would be fair..

I am hearing Peoria HS is the same way, kids from their entire multi school district on that team..

 

[LHSTigers94]

Why should schools be be forced to beat a CPS All Star team rather than expect the IHSA to get their heads out of their asses and create an even system??? Phillips has a boundary just like the other public schools, the difference is they are allowed to have kids that also live outside of the district.. let us also get kids from outside our district and lets see what happens, then it would be fair..

I am hearing Peoria HS is the same way, kids from their entire multi school district on that team..

Do you believe that the team with the most talent always win?

 

[UlbKA91]

Why should schools be be forced to beat a CPS All Star team rather than expect the IHSA to get their heads out of their asses and create an even system??? Phillips has a boundary just like the other public schools, the difference is they are allowed to have kids that also live outside of the district.. let us also get kids from outside our district and lets see what happens, then it would be fair..

I am hearing Peoria HS is the same way, kids from their entire multi school district on that team..

Has that been the case since Shaun Livingston - I recall a fan base in the stands that was not much different than Whitney Young back in those finals years. WY is subject to a multiplier, but is it a smaller (less than +.65) multiplier?

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Do you believe that the team with the most talent always win?

Its not the point just like Rochester isnt the point...its about the ihsa creating an equal playing field.. If most schools cant draw from outside their district, why can a few???

 

[dcaudle68]

Not when the Herscher kid is an all state caliber MLB as well.

You are clueless as to the talent difference between him and the backup. He has made 6,7, and 8A defenses look silly this year. He runs for 400 against the swiss cheese that was Herscher's defense with or without whoever was out.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

You are clueless as to the talent difference between him and the backup. He has made 6,7, and 8A defenses look silly this year. He runs for 400 against the swiss cheese that was Herscher's defense with or without whoever was out.

Swiss cheese defense?????????? LOL Phillips coach said before the game it was the best defense they saw all year.. in 11 games the first team defense gave up 8 TDs...Its one of the best defense in small school football this year.. If Mosby and Koranda both played entire game, the game is closer..

You call me clueless, yet you predicted 44-0 would be the halftime score and there was zero chance Herscher scores 20 points???? You have never seen Elmore run the ball yet I am clueless for not knowing the difference????

 

[Gaelman]

I think I'm a somewhat impartial observer, but it looks like you guys are going way out of your way to put Herscher on blast.

Nobody gave them a sniff, and they were in the game going into the 4th quarter. HHSTigerfan may be a hard pill to swallow, but fact is that Herscher kids represented themselves quite well against a stacked team.

I understand that you guy's don't like HHStigerfan, but that is clouding your judgement on the merit of how good Herscher actually was this year.

It's not Phillips fault the IHSA put them in 4A just like it's not ICCP fault they are in 3A.

One constantly whining jerk can ruin things for an entire community when he's the ONLY voice heard here.
With all the issues the CPS has in football it's especially difficult to see a team like Phillips denigrated for nothing other than being successful.
It's much easier to blame others than to accept responsibility yourself..
Congrats to both teams for a terrific season.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

One constantly whining jerk can ruin things for an entire community when he's the ONLY voice heard here.
With all the issues the CPS has in football it's especially difficult to see a team like Phillips denigrated for nothing other than being successful.
It's much easier to blame others than to accept responsibility yourself..
Congrats to both teams for a terrific season.

Nobody has said its not a great thing, their fans were awesome and numerous... but should they be allowed to play by a separate set of rules to achieve success??? When our program was going 1-8 or 2-7 for several years, I didnt notice anyone suggesting that maybe we should be allowed to bring in out of boundary kids..

 

[pjjp]

You guys are ridiculous. To think that Herscher, IL, population nill, should beat what is basically a Chicago al star team. It remains to be seen how Phillips does vs Rochester, but the middle classes of the IHSA are currently screwed up and I think that some changes should be made.
Bring back foot ball enrollment.

Ah....but 5A will crown a public school champion this year. Hasn't that been the IHSA's white whale? They will achieve that goal this year. Since the expansion to 8 classes in 2001, there has only been one public school champion in 5A (Metamora in 2007).

 

[CaravanMan]

Nobody has said its not a great thing, their fans were awesome and numerous... but should they be allowed to play by a separate set of rules to achieve success??? When our program was going 1-8 or 2-7 for several years, I didnt notice anyone suggesting that maybe we should be allowed to bring in out of boundary kids..

Focus your blame solely on the IHSA. It's up to them to police everything you whine about. The fact that you can't congratulate a team because, in your opinion, they cheat is despicable. You're some kind of special person to call out these kids. No one cares about Herscher because of the way you act.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Focus your blame solely on the IHSA. It's up to them to police everything you whine about. The fact that you can't congratulate a team because, in your opinion, they cheat is despicable. You're some kind of special person to call out these kids. No one cares about Herscher because of the way you act.

Time out there sport... where did I accuse the kids of cheating?????? Its called Reading 101, perhaps you should look into it... Every step of the way I have said the problem is the system, whether its at the CPS or IHSA level.. And I have already said why I didnt say congrats, again brush up on your reading skills

 

[CaravanMan]

Time out there sport... where did I accuse the kids of cheating?????? Its called Reading 101, perhaps you should look into it... Every step of the way I have said the problem is the system, whether its at the CPS or IHSA level.. And I have already said why I didnt say congrats, again brush up on your reading skills

Oh boy you have some serious issues that need to be fixed. This is all you complain about on here, cheating, but instead you use a word like "unfair" to mask the underlying passive aggressive tone. Go apply to the IHSA, start a revolution, do whatever needs to be done. I've already blown enough brain cells in the ten minutes I've looked through this thread and damn do I regret it now.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Oh boy you have some serious issues that need to be fixed. This is all you complain about on here, cheating, but instead you use a word like "unfair" to mask the underlying passive aggressive tone. Go apply to the IHSA, start a revolution, do whatever needs to be done. I've already blown enough brain cells in the ten minutes I've looked through this thread and damn do I regret it now.

Considering your jibberish, you have very few brain cells left to blow...

Where have I accused Phillips of cheating??????

 

[jwarigaku]

PJJP,

All of the lunacy this fall has finally been explained this past weekend. We can blame this whole 5A mess(add whatever other abnormality you like) on the "Super Moon"

Ah....but 5A will crown a public school champion this year. Hasn't that been the IHSA's white whale? They will achieve that goal this year. Since the expansion to 8 classes in 2001, there has only been one public school champion in 5A (Metamora in 2007).

 

[Anon1745941766]

Phillips stopped the run game, big part of that was because our 1500 yd running back was standing on the sideline with his pads off.. that kid is also our MLB, if he is in there Phillips probably doesnt rush for over 300 yards.. not saying we win, but a lot closer game

I was there, I know that Koranda was out. But either way, the play calling was sub par for Herscher. Needed more slants and that fake punt call was god awful

 

[CPSFan]

The blame for for HHS's perceived injustice lies squarely at the feet of the governor of the great state and the mayor of Chicago. In an effort to destroy the CPS teachers union and open more charter schools they have created the model for enrollment here in the city. As long as kids do not have to go to their underperforming neighborhood schools and can travel or be bussed to charter schools anywhere in the city nothing is going to change. Hell the only reason Phillips is in 4A is because there are around 8 other high schools within 3 square miles of Phillips, 3 of which are charters.

That all being said, there is a ridiculous amount of competition here for 8th graders who have played football. Most youth programs have seen their numbers drop drastically making things even more cutthroat. There are no direct feeders, no high school coaches are allowed to have contact with and coach youth teams like in the smaller cities around the state which most of us see as a MAJOR advantage.

CPS teams went 1-16 in this years state playoffs. The teams from the Chicago conference have NEVER beaten a state opponent from outside of CPS. If the enrollment boundary of the city of Chicago is such a great advantage, then why don't you come to Chicago and coach. There are currently a few schools with openings. Trust me you will find out very quickly how wrong you are.

 

[Doctor_D]

CPS teams went 1-16 in this years state playoffs.

That's not right because Phillips is 3-0 and still playing.