Please rate the top 5 players on our team that play with most effort

[jsdawgs23]

this should be interesting.

And the person that should be blamed for sidney and everyone else who doesnt rebound or play defense is their high school coach. At some point the college coach shouldnt have to teach how to block out. Like in baseball if they cant catch a fly ball by the time they reach college level, they will never be able to catch. They should have been taught these things long ago. Now effort and hustle on the other hand is a different story, sad.

 

[DerHntr]

And the person that should be blamed for sidney and everyone else who
doesnt rebound or play defense is their high school coach. At some point
the college coach shouldnt have to teach how to block out.

So, if they consistently don't block out in game situations and are consistently starting for our team because they are our best options, then the coach should just throw his hands up and say "17ing dubmass high school coaches"?

 

[jsdawgs23]

actually recruit players that actually know fundamentals</p>

 

[DerHntr]

maybe they are saying we have talented guys that need coaching. go figure

 

[alabamadog]

1. Bost- I have to give him credit for trying to redeem himself.<div>2. Steele- one of the few players I feel good about.</div><div>3. Bryant- you do have to look for it since he doesn't contribute.</div><div>4. Kodi- he would be second if it wasn't standard for him to turn it over so much.</div><div>5. Lewis- there is no 17ing way his effort should be fifth best.</div><div>Its tempting to throw Riek in there, but he is physically incapable of giving the effort to be on this list, so Lewis got his spot.</div>

 

[sleepy dawg]

Everything rests on his shoulders. If players don't know the fundementals, that's his fault for not teaching. If they should've known before they got here, then he shouldn't have recruiting someone with such an obvious gap in their skill set. Very few things don't rest on the coaches shoulders.

 

[38843dawg]

he does try at least.

 

[DeltaDawg7]

You people need to get off Benock's back. His 3 PT% is far greater than anyone else on the team, his FG% is second on the team, he leads the team in steals, and almost every game he has to attempt to guard the opponent's biggest scoring threat. Benock's role is not to score 15 a game. You may feel that he is completely unproductive. Riley Benock helps this team much more than hurts. He is an excellent defender and is very careful with the ball, rarely committing a turnover. Not every player is meant to be a star. You all complain about not working as a team, and no chemistry but yet you crucify the one player that plays his role, plays it well, and plays hard.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

he's second behind Bost.

Say what you want about Riley, but I'd much rather him shooting 3's than Kodi, Sydney, Ravern (at least right now) and pretty much anyone else not named Bost.

Not sure why everyone discounts Benock so much. He's not the most talented player on the team, but at least he plays defense, rebounds, works to get an open shot, and plays with heart.</p>

 

[HotMop]

wifeku.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

The majority of kids that play college basketball played high school basketball against a bunch of kids that were extremely less talented than themselves. These kids don't HAVE TO block out or play fundamental defense/offense because their athleticism allows them to make up for any mistakes and or lack of fundamental basketball. They are also 17 freaking years old at most.

College coaches are paid BIG bucks to teach kids how to play the game of basketball. How the Mother17 do you think these guys got to be big time collegiate coaches if they cannot teach kids the fundamentals of the game. If you told Dean Smith or Coach K that they didn't have to worry about teaching his players the game of basketball, they'd look at you like you'd just lost your mind. And then they would realize you were from MS and simply think "oh, I guess that stereotype about MS people being dumb as **** is actually true."

Your argument is about as smart as saying "at some point a college professor shouldn't have to teach his students the class material because they should have learned it before they got to college." Can we implement an IQ test or something before we allow posting privileges?

To actually answer your question though:

1. Bost - watch him play. He's playing his *** off.
2. Phil Turner - whoops
3. Elgin Bailey - whoops
4. Romero Osby - see 2 and 3 above.
5. Riek - kid plays as hard as he can when he's in. unfortunately he's just not very coordinated or athletic.

 

[tenureplan]

equates to a college Algebra professor having to teach his/her class how to multiply and divide.

 

[kired]

I don't think most of us dislike Benock. We just hate the fact that our team is so bad that he's a starter. I agree he'sa good defender & has been a good3-pt shooter this year(although he has done worse during SEC play... which I guess should be expected). But he should not be doing anything on offense other than shooting 3s. Like I said in an earlier thread, he's looking to pass the ball as soon as he catches it - and often times his pass puts the other guy in a bad position.

He's a great role player - defensive specialist and 3-pt shooter. But with our lineup he needs to be a better ball handler. With Bost, Ravern, and Benock on the court we only have 1 guy who can bring the ball up the court and actually handle the ball. We've been spoiled with players like Stewart & Turner who maybe weren't the best ball handlers, but at least you could expect them to do more than catch & throw.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

the blocking and rebounding may be like knowing addition and subtraction, but that doesn't mean that all kids are taught all the fundamentals they need before they get to college. I agree that they should have enough of a foundation so that the college coach, who by all accounts should be the superior basketball mind, can mold them into a complete player.

These days, kids don't learn **** in their HS/AAU ball. It's all about being the better athlete. So then it does become the college coach's job to teach them how to play the game. If Rick doesn't want to do that, he needs to go try and coach in the NBA, or go back down to HS ball where its not important anyway.

 

[tenureplan]

It's like a math major taking a college algebra class and not being able to multiply. Seriously, I will not believe Renardo was never taught the fundamentals I learned in 12 year old YMCA basketball. It's an effort thing plain and simple.

 

[alabamadog]

he would be tied for second on mine, so Lewis is off.

 

[kired]

tenureplan[/b]]Seriously, I will not believe Renardo was never taught the fundamentals I learned in 12 year old YMCA basketball.

Just because he may have been taught fundamentals when he was 12 doesn't mean he'shad to use themsince then.

It's kind of like your math major... maybe he could do everything in his head &never needed to usea calculator. All of the sudden he gets to college &now he's got to learn how to use that TI-84 like everyone else.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Nm

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

The bigger problem is that they have so little respect for the coach that they don't want to play hard and do the little things that make a basketball player good. To these guys (Renardo) it's just like AAU ball:

1. shoot as often as possible;
2. rest on defense so you can use more energy creating shots on offense;
3. ditto for rebounding unless the ball hits you as you jog down towards the other end or you think you can highlight dunk off the rebound;
4. ***** and complain when you don't get your minutes or touches;
5. disregard anything the coach says;

There is also more to fundamental basketball than "knowing how to block out and rebound". A lot of it really is coaching. Players need to be taught how to properly space the floor, to run a proper motion offense complete with off the ball screens and filling into proper spacing, playing proper help side defense, switching/hedging on ball screens, etc... These things aren't all "well i learned this when I was 12 so we never have to work on it" things.

 

[tenureplan]

I agree with everything you just said. But when the fat bastard isn't even blocking out or going for rebounds, that's not a know how. Hell its the same as posting up but backwards.