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My first choice would be a sophomore named Jones but do not expect that to happen.
Anyone other the Hampton considering reclassifying? Love his game. He would be fit nicely with the incoming class and returning veterans. Perhaps if Stewart commits to Duke it might speed up his decision timetable. Hope so.
 

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I have zero expectation of Tre returning. I think he's gonna go late in the first round and he should leave.
Considering were not gonna get Anthony or Edwards, I'm not sure there is anyone left in the class capable of being a starting Duke PG. Boogie Ellis isn't the answer either.

We're fortunate to have Goldwire, however I'm not sure he should ever be playing more than 10 mpg in a competitive game, love how hard he plays on D though.
It may come down to have RJ Hampton reclassify to 2019 or bust for us. I really want RJ Hampton in a Duke uniform.

Remember when Tyus left after 1 year (worth it)...kinda left us screwed for 2 years after.
 

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I have zero expectation of Tre returning. I think he's gonna go late in the first round and he should leave.
Considering were not gonna get Anthony or Edwards, I'm not sure there is anyone left in the class capable of being a starting Duke PG. Boogie Ellis isn't the answer either.

We're fortunate to have Goldwire, however I'm not sure he should ever be playing more than 10 mpg in a competitive game, love how hard he plays on D though.
It may come down to have RJ Hampton reclassify to 2019 or bust for us. I really want RJ Hampton in a Duke uniform.

Remember when Tyus left after 1 year (worth it)...kinda left us screwed for 2 years after.
I would rather have RJ for the 2020-2021 season. Him and BJ Boston would be a nice back court for that season. I would like to see Duke pursue the grad transfer market and pick up a seasoned PG for next year.
 
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I would rather have RJ for the 2020-2021 season. Him and BJ Boston would be a nice back court for that season. I would like to see Duke pursue the grad transfer market and pick up a seasoned PG for next year.
Good point. Boston/Hampton would be great together.
 

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Big men and wings can come and go and not bother me at all, but damn I wish our PG would always stay 4 years. I love that story arc.
 
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Is this a New Year's joke? Like it's 2018 now and at the start of 2019 our PG will be Tre Jones :)

This team is so much fun, I'm not looking ahead just yet. I will say at the start of the season, I thought there was a decent change Tre would stay 2 years, but I'm not seeing that now.
 
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I would say the chances of Tre returning look pretty slim at the moment. In addition, I'm not sure starting PG is a role I see Jordan Goldwire being ready for at the moment. Granted, he has another year of development before it's a reality, but he doesn't strike me as someone who makes that kind of jump. I guess I'd be pretty surprised if Duke didn't explore all their options at PG for next season....be it from a late commitment, grad transfer, etc.

All that said, we have a pretty exciting group this season. I'm going to enjoy them while they're here.
 
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We are very fortunate to have Goldwire, he seems like a great kid and understands his role on the program. With that said, when was the last time a Duke player went from out of the rotation to the starting point guard the next season?? I doubt that has ever happened.

Goldwire wasn’t heavily recruited, I don’t believe he had other major conference offers, he was gonna go to Eastern Kentucky but K swooped in. It’s a smart play....given we are entrenched in the OAD system, a guy like Goldwire can come in and understand he’s gonna be backing someone up for 4 years.

Really tough to land a 4-star 4year guy when that kid has to know he’s gonna get recruited over repeatedly.
Not tough to convince a kid who was gonna go to EKU to come be a back up at Duke.
 

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I'm just throwing this out there in case we dont get a traditional pg. I wonder if Alex could manage it sort of like Jon Scheyer did in case Goldwire can't cut it as starter although Coach K has used him a lot more than I thought he would. Maybe Coach K is trying to get Goldwire more ready. He can be a solid pg without scoring a lot. Just distribute and play some defense. Getting back to ACC at point I do know Jon was special and very basketball smart. Alex would have to work at it but college basketball does semester to be moving to non traditional positions. OFC
 

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Jon was very good as a senior who was also way ahead of Jordan and Alex as a fresh and soph. Boggie is a combo who is ranked below what Nolan and Frank were ranked and they struggled as frosh points. That is why I would be concerned.

Now if Jordan and Boogie were to really focus on D and could really excel with nonstop pressure on the ball while splitting time 20/20 staying fresh and having 10 fouls to give that could work if the 2-5 can make up for the lack of pg skills on the offensive end.
 

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A gritty, seasoned grad transfer PG from somewhere like Montana State or Ivy League
 

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A gritty, seasoned grad transfer PG from somewhere like Montana State or Ivy League



Somewhere out there could there be another Wojo type. I don't know how Coach K found him. I can't remember way back then how big of a recruit he was. Certainly we didn't have the inforation access we do now. What I remember is that we got a pg with another Polish name I couldn't pronounce or spell and think who is this. He's only 5'10. I thought he was gonna be backup pg for 4 years. What I'm saying is we don't need a pg who scores in double figures but can when needed. All we need is one who can get the ball to scorers, get nasty on defense and fear no one. Only Hurley was a pg like that besides Wojo. I want another Wojo. OFC
 

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Somewhere out there could there be another Wojo type. I don't know how Coach K found him. I can't remember way back then how big of a recruit he was. Certainly we didn't have the inforation access we do now. What I remember is that we got a pg with another Polish name I couldn't pronounce or spell and think who is this. He's only 5'10. I thought he was gonna be backup pg for 4 years. What I'm saying is we don't need a pg who scores in double figures but can when needed. All we need is one who can get the ball to scorers, get nasty on defense and fear no one. Only Hurley was a pg like that besides Wojo. I want another Wojo. OFC

Wojo was a McDonald's All-American and was nationally recruited.

He picked Duke over UNC and Maryland.
 

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Wojo was a McDonald's All-American and was nationally recruited.

He picked Duke over UNC and Maryland.


Oh my . Thanks Jim. This proves I'm really getting senile. Just knowing unc was in his final 3 just gives me an empty feeling in the pit of my stomach. I wish you would post more Jim but do appreciate the fact when you see something needs correcting you are here to do it. I think all of of here at DI appreciate that. I do enjoy reading what you have to say at Duke Basketball Report. OFC
 

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I heard we might have 2 foreign exchange walk-on students suiting up for us next year to play a little PG...

Their names are Rolan Smithers and Don Fryer...

Also heard if they play, Noland Smith and Jon Scheyer will be taking leaves of absence from the team...
 
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I heard we might have 2 foreign exchange walk-on students suiting up for us next year to play a little PG...

Their names are Rolan Smithers and Don Fryer...

Also heard if they play, Noland Smith and Jon Scheyer will be taking leaves of absence from the team...
I hear Fryer has like a 20:1 assist to turnover ratio
 
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I heard we might have 2 foreign exchange walk-on students suiting up for us next year to play a little PG...

Their names are Rolan Smithers and Don Fryer...

Also heard if they play, Noland Smith and Jon Scheyer will be taking leaves of absence from the team...
Aren’t the foreign exchange students Chinese too?
I say take them, even though they’re OAD’s.
 
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I'm actually fine with Jordan as the starting PG. Frankly, IDGAF about "offense." I haven't for years. Duke, under K, has utilized and prioritized perimeter shooting to the point where Duke can score enough points to be competitive in any game.
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Take next year. As I've pointed out in other threads, we might be an elite shooting team next year. The starting "wing" players are likely to be AOC, Jack White, and Baker/Moore. The backup wings are likely to be Boogie and whichever of Baker/Moore doesn't start. I don't think Bolden will still be here, one way of the other, and Jav likely comes off the bench. Because...…...We need to give Carey room to work. He is nigh on unguarable at the college level, especially if opposing D's can't abandon perimeter shooters. Which Duke can do next year. Ergo, the more perimeter oriented Jack White (or Baker, with White as the SF) is a better fit beside Carey.
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This year, we need a savvy passer/team runner to distribute the ball. Not to get it to guys in scoring position, but rather to make sure the ball is spread around, keeping everyone happy/engaged. We'd score plenty of points without Tre. Not as many as WITH Tre, but we'd score enough with Cam, Zion, and RJ on the court. Those guys can and will put up points.
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Next year, we won't need that. We'll need someone to initiate the offense by passing to whichever wing is less closely guarded. We'll then go into a motion while guys try to get free on the perimeter. That will be broken up by us passing to VC whenever his defender veers into bad position on D.
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Thus, enough points will be scored.
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It is all about the defense. Jordan can play D. As good as Tre is, there is not much of a drop off when Goldwire comes in. Jordan is weaker on the ball, but a hair more aware of help defense requirements. Next year's PG won't really be required to make the offense go. Sure, an elite team running PG would help, but there aren't many of them. Offensively, the only hiccup would be Goldwire's continuing struggles from the perimeter. A glaring weakness there would be the grain of sand that fouls the entire 4 out 1 in offense. But so long as Goldwire is capable on D, and I think he'll be very capable on D, we'll be fine. Probably top5, but certainly top 10. And very dangerous come March.
 
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At this point in Tyus's freshman season, I was one of the few voices at TDD predicting that he'd be OAD. As the season wears on, and the more I read NBA mocks, the less sure about Tre being OAD I am.
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His greatest strength so far hasn't been his O, it has been his D. But that will be negated vs the bigger, stronger, more athletic, more skilled, more experienced PGs in the NBA. He'll be a quality defender, no doubt. But he won't be as successful on D in the NBA. He just won't. He'll be fine vs the backups he's likely to face regularly, but that is a hard thing to sell a fanbase on draft night.
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Next up is his team running ability. Which is outstanding. And also less and less valuable to NBA teams. They want the ball in the hands of their wings, who then hunt their own shots, while Bigs need to hit threes, rebound, and generally clean up around the rim and in the paint. A team running PG is not necessary for any of that. Sure, if you could put Tre Jones's mindset and skills into a body with Tre Duval's size and athleticism, teams would jump at that. Probably ahead of Zion or RJ. But Tre Jones doesn't have elite size or athleticism.
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Which leads to Tre's one glaring weakness. Shooting. His perimeter shooting percentages are not good. Especially given that his position and athleticism all but requires him to be a good shooter in the NBA. Tyus was a first round pick for a variety of reasons, but one of the most important reasons was his shooting. He was a good shooter, who made clutch 3s. Tre is far behind his bro at the same point. It makes his ability to really contribute on an NBA team, in the short run, iffy. I'm seeing a lot of very late first round predictions right now. Much of that has been knee jerk reactions by evaluators, based on what they've seen. Now that he's a serious first round possibility, NBA execs are starting to watch seriously, and offer evaluations. And they are worried about his shooting. I don't think he comes out if he's projected in the late first round. Tyus went slightly later than he was projected to go, and Tre might face that as well, because, again, size and athleticism. If he's projected in the late 20s, it might be too risky to chance. His position is too good at Duke to chance a fall to the second round.
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A huge part of his decision, and first round value, will be tied to team success. No one gives a fudge how the team does wrt Zion, RJ, and Cam. But a national title would mean a lot for Tre's value. Even so, look at Nova. They had an undersized couple of PGs that weren't super athletes that stuck around for 3-4 years each. Neither was the team runner or defender that Tre is, but both were far better shooters. Unless Tre's shooting trends up, NBA teams are going to be squeamish about drafting him. When you watch the NBA today, basically every player simply has to be a great perimeter shooter. What constitutes great varies by position, obviously, but the only rotation players that aren't good perimeter shooters are athletic bigs that defend and rebound at a high level.
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I think Tre will develop into a good shooter. But I'm not sure a team in the late first round, likely a playoff team, will draft him in the hopes/expectation of improvement in a few years. Those teams need help, albeit role player level help off the bench, IMMEDIATELY. They aren't worried about finding a kid who will be a top tier backup in 2-3 years. Playoff teams late in the first round primarily take athletic bigs, or shooters (be it at PG or Wing).
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Tre might not be as gone as we think. Sure, I think he'll go pro this year. But I'm a lot less sure now than I was at this same point in his bro's freshman season. It is all about the shooting.
 

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At this point in Tyus's freshman season, I was one of the few voices at TDD predicting that he'd be OAD. As the season wears on, and the more I read NBA mocks, the less sure about Tre being OAD I am.
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His greatest strength so far hasn't been his O, it has been his D. But that will be negated vs the bigger, stronger, more athletic, more skilled, more experienced PGs in the NBA. He'll be a quality defender, no doubt. But he won't be as successful on D in the NBA. He just won't. He'll be fine vs the backups he's likely to face regularly, but that is a hard thing to sell a fanbase on draft night.
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Next up is his team running ability. Which is outstanding. And also less and less valuable to NBA teams. They want the ball in the hands of their wings, who then hunt their own shots, while Bigs need to hit threes, rebound, and generally clean up around the rim and in the paint. A team running PG is not necessary for any of that. Sure, if you could put Tre Jones's mindset and skills into a body with Tre Duval's size and athleticism, teams would jump at that. Probably ahead of Zion or RJ. But Tre Jones doesn't have elite size or athleticism.
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Which leads to Tre's one glaring weakness. Shooting. His perimeter shooting percentages are not good. Especially given that his position and athleticism all but requires him to be a good shooter in the NBA. Tyus was a first round pick for a variety of reasons, but one of the most important reasons was his shooting. He was a good shooter, who made clutch 3s. Tre is far behind his bro at the same point. It makes his ability to really contribute on an NBA team, in the short run, iffy. I'm seeing a lot of very late first round predictions right now. Much of that has been knee jerk reactions by evaluators, based on what they've seen. Now that he's a serious first round possibility, NBA execs are starting to watch seriously, and offer evaluations. And they are worried about his shooting. I don't think he comes out if he's projected in the late first round. Tyus went slightly later than he was projected to go, and Tre might face that as well, because, again, size and athleticism. If he's projected in the late 20s, it might be too risky to chance. His position is too good at Duke to chance a fall to the second round.
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A huge part of his decision, and first round value, will be tied to team success. No one gives a fudge how the team does wrt Zion, RJ, and Cam. But a national title would mean a lot for Tre's value. Even so, look at Nova. They had an undersized couple of PGs that weren't super athletes that stuck around for 3-4 years each. Neither was the team runner or defender that Tre is, but both were far better shooters. Unless Tre's shooting trends up, NBA teams are going to be squeamish about drafting him. When you watch the NBA today, basically every player simply has to be a great perimeter shooter. What constitutes great varies by position, obviously, but the only rotation players that aren't good perimeter shooters are athletic bigs that defend and rebound at a high level.
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I think Tre will develop into a good shooter. But I'm not sure a team in the late first round, likely a playoff team, will draft him in the hopes/expectation of improvement in a few years. Those teams need help, albeit role player level help off the bench, IMMEDIATELY. They aren't worried about finding a kid who will be a top tier backup in 2-3 years. Playoff teams late in the first round primarily take athletic bigs, or shooters (be it at PG or Wing).
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Tre might not be as gone as we think. Sure, I think he'll go pro this year. But I'm a lot less sure now than I was at this same point in his bro's freshman season. It is all about the shooting.

He’s gone (as long as he continues to play around the same level he’s played so far this year).. and I think the success Tyus is having in the NBA now is going to get Tre drafted higher.. because Tre is a little bigger and more athletic than Tyus..
 

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Kid from St John's just hit the transfer market. 6'2" PG Mikey Dixon. Run the team kind of PG who was rookie of the year in the MAAC while playing for Quinipeac 2 years ago. Sat out last year after transferring to the Johnies. Not getting a ton of time this year, but shooting 43% from 3 and 49% from 2. Obviously the lack of time on a "lesser" team and 2nd transfer is a concern. But, he would be a 4th year guy who was successful in a different system and seems to be able to hit the 3. If his lack of PT is more a poor fit issue than ability, wonder if he is worth a look.
 

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He’s gone (as long as he continues to play around the same level he’s played so far this year).. and I think the success Tyus is having in the NBA now is going to get Tre drafted higher.. because Tre is a little bigger and more athletic than Tyus..

I addressed that. Tyus was a better shooter. Not just from 3, but from the FT line as well. Yes, Tre is better and more athletic than Tyus. That is, unfortunately, a low bar in the eyes of the NBA. Tre has adequate size and adequate strength in the eyes of the NBA.
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Tyus's "success" is relative. Yes, he's a quality rotation guy. He's a PG on a not very good team. He's a low level starter, or a high level backup. He'll have a nice career and make very good money. But few people would call him a star. Teams are not chomping at the bit to add more Tyus Jones's to their roster. They'd all like to have one. Heck, they'd all LOVE to have one. But they aren't willing to throw money at guys like Tyus. If he can be had for a reasonable salary, great. Sign him up.
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But do they use draft picks on him? I'm not sure. Tyus being very popular in Minny helped. The Twolves coveted him, and the price was right. The Twolves won't want another Jones bro, so any hometown bump is out.
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And, regardless, it is the shooting. PGs have to be able to make jumpers. If he can't do that, his PT will be limited in the NBA until such time as it improves. Teams will wait on guys like RJ and Zion to develop jumpers. They do enough other things to justify that patience. Teams can't wait for Tre to develop a jumper.
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Tre looks like his bro. An elite college PG whose fit in the NBA is dicey. Tyus's perimeter stroke, and team success, put him over the top. Lacking that shooting ability endangers Tre's first round probabilities.
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I'm not dooming the kid to obscurity. If he gets that shooting to nearly 38%, while showing moderate improvement elsewhere, and he's a mid first round pick. But while his shooting is hovering in the low 30s.
 

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I addressed that. Tyus was a better shooter. Not just from 3, but from the FT line as well. Yes, Tre is better and more athletic than Tyus. That is, unfortunately, a low bar in the eyes of the NBA. Tre has adequate size and adequate strength in the eyes of the NBA.
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Tyus's "success" is relative. Yes, he's a quality rotation guy. He's a PG on a not very good team. He's a low level starter, or a high level backup. He'll have a nice career and make very good money. But few people would call him a star. Teams are not chomping at the bit to add more Tyus Jones's to their roster. They'd all like to have one. Heck, they'd all LOVE to have one. But they aren't willing to throw money at guys like Tyus. If he can be had for a reasonable salary, great. Sign him up.
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But do they use draft picks on him? I'm not sure. Tyus being very popular in Minny helped. The Twolves coveted him, and the price was right. The Twolves won't want another Jones bro, so any hometown bump is out.
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And, regardless, it is the shooting. PGs have to be able to make jumpers. If he can't do that, his PT will be limited in the NBA until such time as it improves. Teams will wait on guys like RJ and Zion to develop jumpers. They do enough other things to justify that patience. Teams can't wait for Tre to develop a jumper.
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Tre looks like his bro. An elite college PG whose fit in the NBA is dicey. Tyus's perimeter stroke, and team success, put him over the top. Lacking that shooting ability endangers Tre's first round probabilities.
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I'm not dooming the kid to obscurity. If he gets that shooting to nearly 38%, while showing moderate improvement elsewhere, and he's a mid first round pick. But while his shooting is hovering in the low 30s.
I think this is spot on and i think there is a more realistic chance he returns than some others. Having said that, the great equalizer is going to be is he going to 1. Be at his peak draftable position after this year and 2. Is it a first round guarantee. Those trump anything, as they should. Gun to my head, he leaves, hopefully in the same way his brother did. However, i don’t think it’s anywhere near a done deal.
 
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I think this is spot on and i think there is a more realistic chance he returns than some others. Having said that, the great equalizer is going to be is he going to 1. Be at his peak draftable position after this year and 2. Is it a first round guarantee. Those trump anything, as they should. Gun to my head, he leaves, hopefully in the same way his brother did. However, i don’t think it’s anywhere near a done deal.

If we could win #6, AND get him back, wow!! But I doubt both can happen. If he comes back, I think that means he didn't have a good tournament, which likely means we didn't win it. Those are just if's and but's though
 
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Kid from St John's just hit the transfer market. 6'2" PG Mikey Dixon. Run the team kind of PG who was rookie of the year in the MAAC while playing for Quinipeac 2 years ago. Sat out last year after transferring to the Johnies. Not getting a ton of time this year, but shooting 43% from 3 and 49% from 2. Obviously the lack of time on a "lesser" team and 2nd transfer is a concern. But, he would be a 4th year guy who was successful in a different system and seems to be able to hit the 3. If his lack of PT is more a poor fit issue than ability, wonder if he is worth a look.

He’s at his best as a scoring guard off the call, muah like Boogie. That’s a little bit why he flamed out with St. John’s. Not sure he’s the best fit for the coming squad. I like his game though.
 

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I addressed that. Tyus was a better shooter. Not just from 3, but from the FT line as well. Yes, Tre is better and more athletic than Tyus. That is, unfortunately, a low bar in the eyes of the NBA. Tre has adequate size and adequate strength in the eyes of the NBA.
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Tyus's "success" is relative. Yes, he's a quality rotation guy. He's a PG on a not very good team. He's a low level starter, or a high level backup. He'll have a nice career and make very good money. But few people would call him a star. Teams are not chomping at the bit to add more Tyus Jones's to their roster. They'd all like to have one. Heck, they'd all LOVE to have one. But they aren't willing to throw money at guys like Tyus. If he can be had for a reasonable salary, great. Sign him up.
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But do they use draft picks on him? I'm not sure. Tyus being very popular in Minny helped. The Twolves coveted him, and the price was right. The Twolves won't want another Jones bro, so any hometown bump is out.
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And, regardless, it is the shooting. PGs have to be able to make jumpers. If he can't do that, his PT will be limited in the NBA until such time as it improves. Teams will wait on guys like RJ and Zion to develop jumpers. They do enough other things to justify that patience. Teams can't wait for Tre to develop a jumper.
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Tre looks like his bro. An elite college PG whose fit in the NBA is dicey. Tyus's perimeter stroke, and team success, put him over the top. Lacking that shooting ability endangers Tre's first round probabilities.
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I'm not dooming the kid to obscurity. If he gets that shooting to nearly 38%, while showing moderate improvement elsewhere, and he's a mid first round pick. But while his shooting is hovering in the low 30s.

There is a need in the NBA for a player of any position who can be a lock down on ball defender. Tyus was not a great defender, Tre is. Could that change during conference play, we’ll see. But all things remaining the same, Tre likely gets drafted in the middle of the first round, which is where he is popping up on many current mock drafts. That, in today’s world, is a guaranteed leave.

Jumpers can be developed and as you mentioned NBA teams may be willing to wait, such as a Zion or RJ. But that is only the case when the athlete is already bringing something tangible to the table. For example Trevon didn’t get drafted because you couldn’t really pinpoint anything that an NBA team could build around. He was an ok defender, he was pretty nice at getting to the rim, but nothing that blew you away. And there were hardly any intangibles that were noticeable. Trevon couldn’t sell himself to the NBA and so his poor shooting was enough for every team to pass.

Tre has much more to offer to the NBA. He’s a lock down defender with incredible vision and feel for the game. He can run an offense. To me he reminds me a lot of a Chris Paul type. To me that is his ultimate ceiling. He needs to develop a reliable jumper for sure, but he brings everything else you want from a pg and does them all at an elite level, at least so far.

We all know that a pg is the front of the defense, the first presence when the opposition crosses half court. The value of having a pg who can immediately disrupt an opposition’s offense is invaluable. Similar to a qb wr, if you can throw off the timing you already have them beat. Tre throws the timing of an offense off and gets them out of their comfort immediately. Defense may be a lost art in the AAU circuit but something tells me that NBA scouts still have eyes for someone like Tre. Is he a game changer athletically, no. Is he going to walk onto a starting rotation at the next level, also no. Unless something dramatically changes I don’t see him getting into the top 10 but I also don’t see him falling out of the first round.
 

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Good gracious. Guys if tre leaves, Jordan and boogie will handle pg duties. Simple as that. Don't forget boogie is still Rising in recruiting rankings he might end up a top 20 recruit. So a top 20 recruit who needs to learn to be a pg to make it to the nba. Challenge accepted...

Duke has cooled on hampton. That's what he said a couple weeks ago...duke also unfollowed him on ig....he returned the favor..seems duke has moved on....which duke needs to focus on front court players for the 2020 class.
 
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Excellent observations Patrick and I agree. As I said earlier this year, We get Tre back and next years team could be better than this one. Not as electrifying and dazzling, but pure scoring wise, there are some things looking like a fine blend for wins. I'm VERY excited about next years team for a plethora of reasons.
 
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There is a need in the NBA for a player of any position who can be a lock down on ball defender. Tyus was not a great defender, Tre is. Could that change during conference play, we’ll see. But all things remaining the same, Tre likely gets drafted in the middle of the first round, which is where he is popping up on many current mock drafts. That, in today’s world, is a guaranteed leave.

Jumpers can be developed and as you mentioned NBA teams may be willing to wait, such as a Zion or RJ. But that is only the case when the athlete is already bringing something tangible to the table. For example Trevon didn’t get drafted because you couldn’t really pinpoint anything that an NBA team could build around. He was an ok defender, he was pretty nice at getting to the rim, but nothing that blew you away. And there were hardly any intangibles that were noticeable. Trevon couldn’t sell himself to the NBA and so his poor shooting was enough for every team to pass.

Tre has much more to offer to the NBA. He’s a lock down defender with incredible vision and feel for the game. He can run an offense. To me he reminds me a lot of a Chris Paul type. To me that is his ultimate ceiling. He needs to develop a reliable jumper for sure, but he brings everything else you want from a pg and does them all at an elite level, at least so far.

We all know that a pg is the front of the defense, the first presence when the opposition crosses half court. The value of having a pg who can immediately disrupt an opposition’s offense is invaluable. Similar to a qb wr, if you can throw off the timing you already have them beat. Tre throws the timing of an offense off and gets them out of their comfort immediately. Defense may be a lost art in the AAU circuit but something tells me that NBA scouts still have eyes for someone like Tre. Is he a game changer athletically, no. Is he going to walk onto a starting rotation at the next level, also no. Unless something dramatically changes I don’t see him getting into the top 10 but I also don’t see him falling out of the first round.

Tre will not be a lack down defender in the NBA. Abandon that dream (if not outright delusion). He has yet to face a top tier college PG. The closest was the PG at Gonzaga, and that guy is a late first round pick, if he's lucky.
Waiting in the NBA is Westbrook, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, and James Harden and Dame Lillard. Tre is not going to lockdown a single one of the players I've mentioned. Cole Anthony won't get locked down by Tre, and CA is younger.
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Tre is a very good defender at the college level. He's got plus size and plus athleticism relative to his older bro. But he's not top tier in size or athleticism in the NBA. His lack of a shot will likely be an albatross around his draft status.
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I expect him to declare and go through the evaluation process. Why not? If he shoots well in those workouts (or down the stretch of the season), he'll go. If the shooting continues to lag, he'll be back.
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Again, I love him and love his game. He's the IDEAL college PG. But I'm not sure about how much the NBA will want him if the shooting continues to be wonky.
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I think this is spot on and i think there is a more realistic chance he returns than some others. Having said that, the great equalizer is going to be is he going to 1. Be at his peak draftable position after this year and 2. Is it a first round guarantee. Those trump anything, as they should. Gun to my head, he leaves, hopefully in the same way his brother did. However, i don’t think it’s anywhere near a done deal.

I'm sort of guessing about what some of these sentences mean, but I would put the phrase "first round guarantee" in, well, "quotations."
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There are maybe 15-20 guys who are GUARANTEED to go first round. After that it gets dicey. Even if a team has promised a player they'll take him, that is subject to change.
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Every year some team reaches on a player, which causes a cascade effect that pushes other guys down. All it would take would be some team liking Tre enough to promise to take him, only to get a great trade option on draft night, or for a player they like more than Tre to unexpectedly fall to that team.
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Tyus's projections leading into the draft were mid first round. Relative to that, he "fell" a little. Not much, and certainly within a standard deviation or reasonable amount.
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If Tre is projected later in the first round, again, because of shooting, that might be too risky. If you are projected around 15 and fall 4-5 spots, fine. Still a guaranteed first round deal. If you are projected in the 20-25 range? Any reasonable fall could doom you to the uncertainties of the second round. And the later in the first round you get, the crazier it gets. Playoff teams are willing to take fliers on longshots, raw-but-athletic bigs, or to stash foreign players. Or make crazy trades. A mid to late 20s grade is too much to gamble on. Duke's situation is too good for him.
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Tre Duval was in a similar situation to Tre Jones. Dicey first round pick. Duval knew that Tre Jones was inbound, and that Jones was an ideal college PG. Had Tre Jones not been committed, Duval would be back at Duke this year. Tre Jones has no incoming PG nipping at his heels. He could spend the summer working out full time with his bro vs NBA talents, while really focusing on his 3pt stroke. Next year, he shoots well from the perimeter, and the FT line, and moves into the middle of the first round (his likely ceiling).
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Again, if he shoots well this season, and we win the title, he gone. But if he shoots poorly and we win the title.....Well, like I said, it is murky.
 
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