Policeman charged with murder after shooting black man in South Carolina

[funKYcat75]

You're completely right about the public v. private thing.

Off subject: I wonder how many times a really bad guy has been caught/taken down because a police officer hasn't been technically following the rules? (Not talking about movies) Risk/Reward?

 

[UKGrad93]

What the hell trips this cop's brain to make him start shooting instead of chasing the victim? Terrible.

 

[maverick1_rivals376538]

Originally posted by Willy4UK:
Yeah most of us would hate to be filmed on the job, but lots of jobs do it.

Porn stars being the most obvious exception

-- John and Ron and Pete reveled in it.

 

[JohnBlue]

Shot a guy in the back no less over a brake light not working. Sob deserves the death penalty but I doubt serves any hard time, probably get to live on a resort living a better lifestyle than is he is now.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

I'm surprised he didn't plant a bag of meth on the victim.

The guy looked like he was running a 20 second 40, The officer isn't trained to use a baton and mace to subdue a out of shape perp?

 

[KingOfBBN]

No reason why their body cams can't be used just like traffic cams are used. They're at a central location with another party monitoring. No way in hell you allow the individual the ability to turn off the camera manually.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by funKYcat75:

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

And if there's any malfunction, the officer ceases his shift until resolved. That's how they already get around turning over dash cam videos.

I don't think I agree with this. I don't want a good officer taken off the street because his camera runs out of batteries or there's a flashing red light on the camera (or however you would recognize a malfunction). How would you know anyway?

Guns jam. Cars don't start. Tasers malfunction. You can't control everything. If there is somehow hypothetically a high correlation of murdered innocents compared to malfunctioning body cameras, then there's a problem, but don't yank an officer off his beat because of the possibility that his camera isn't working.

If you don't have this mandate, theres no use in even making a law. Its why so often the dash cams "weren't working properly at the time" anytime theres an iffy situation that should have been captured by dash cam.

 

[Midway Cat]

For everyone's edification, here are the aggravating factors that can justify imposition of the death penalty in South Carolina. The state cannot impose death without establishing that the offense involved at least one of these circumstances:

(1)The capital offense was committed during the commission of, attempt
of, or escape from a specified felony (such as robbery, kidnapping,
rape, sodomy, arson, oral copulation, train wrecking, carjacking,
criminal gang activity, drug dealing, or aircraft piracy)


(2) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense


(3) The defendant committed or attempted to commit more than one murder at the same time


(4) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value


(5) The defendant caused or directed another to commit murder, or the
defendant procured the commission of the offense by payment, promise of
payment, or anything of pecuniary value


(6) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony


(7)The murder of a child 11 years or younger


(8) The victim was a government employee, including peace officers,
police officers, federal agents, firefighters, judges, jurors, defense
attorneys, and prosecutors, in the course of his or her duties


(9)The victim was a county or municipal corrections officer, a county
or municipal detention facility employee or former county or municipal
facility employee


(10)The victim was a family member of a governmental official


(11)The murder was committed against a witness or potential witness in a
criminal proceeding to prevent the witness from appearing


(12)The defendant raped a child

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Oral copulation

 

[TruBluCatFan]

And air piracy but not maritime piracy.

And this prick will serve a long time in a pound him in the *** prison. He will not be living on a resort.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[krazykats]

I guess I just don't understand. The guy that recorded the video said they were on the ground and cop was tazing him. Then somehow the guy ran from the cop and then got shot 8 times?

So basically because the guy was being tazed he ran, now I'm not saying the cop is right here by unloading 8 shots like he is in the Wild West, but what is he supposed to do? Chase a man willing to run and Taze him more? Shoot once, but he clearly is an awful shot, wait for backup?

The cop is clearly in the wrong here, but at point and to what degree? Is there a time when they are allowed to go billy the kid?

 

[GhostVol]

Dude was 50 years old. He wasn't running...more like jogging. He MIGHT have made it 200 yards, 400 at the most.

There's a candlelight vigil here tonight around 9 pm. I might go and see if I can get interviewed on CNN. I'll do a shout out to the Paddock if I do!

 

[KyFaninNC]

Here is my question.

What do black people want?

They tried to burn Ferguson down because they would not arrest Wilson. Even Holder could not find one shred against Wilson. In Charleston, the cop is in jail and charged with murder,yet blacks are protesting, (at least they aren't rioting,yet). So, no matter what the authorities do, blacks are never satisfied. So what are they protesting about now? The cop is in jail and charged.

 

[JumperJack]

Guy definitely should be in jail a long time. There's no excuse for that.

I can't help but wonder at him dropping something beside the body, in front of a black cop. Cops are THAT thick with each other?

 

[krazykats]

Originally posted by GhostVol:
Dude was 50 years old. He wasn't running...more like jogging. He MIGHT have made it 200 yards, 400 at the most.

There's a candlelight vigil here tonight around 9 pm. I might go and see if I can get interviewed on CNN. I'll do a shout out to the Paddock if I do!

OK, jogging away which is even worse honestly. Knowing he wouldn't get away what was he thinking? Seriously!

Does anyone know what even caused the run in? This seems like such a weird deal because the video only starts really when the dumb cop goes rogue.

Im pretty sure cops aren't allowed to legit pull guns unless they have legit reason ie have a dangerous suspect, furthermore I know they aren't to shoot unless there is a legit threat.

Next, what if the black cop pulls on white cop and fires? I mean Id think he should be ok and never charged personally but is that ok? He is in the presence of a murder and the shooter has gun in hand.

 

[JohnBlue]

Originally posted by KyFaninNC:

Here is my question.

What do black people want?

Just my wild guess here but maybe they don't want to be shot?

You can't keep killing people and think saying your sorry makes it all better. It's bs. Millions, maybe more and countless hours were spent training and equipping police forces with non lethal weapons and they have regressed back to lethal methods. Where is the value on human life? There is none, and that's the problem.

This post was edited on 4/8 9:04 PM by JohnBlue_

 

[GonzoCat90]

Originally posted by krazykats:
I but what is he supposed to do? Chase a man willing to run and Taze him more?


The cop is clearly in the wrong here, but at point and to what degree? Is there a time when they are allowed to go billy the kid?

1. Yes. If a cop can't catch and tackle a lumbering, 50 year old man, he shouldn't be on the force.

2. To the sharpest point and the highest degree. Hell no there isn't a time when they're allowed to go Billy the Kid. You can't just shoot MFers because you missed lunch that day and don't feel like chasing them for having a broken taillight.

 

[krazykats]

Originally posted by JohnBlue_: Just my wild guess here but maybe they don't want to be shot?

You can't keep killing people and think saying your sorry makes it all better. It's bs. Millions, maybe more and countless hours were spent training and equipping police forces with non lethal weapons and they have regressed back to lethal methods. Where is the value on human life? There is none, and that's the problem.

This post was edited on 4/8 9:04 PM by JohnBlue_

This simply is normal everyday logic but the problem is Blacks shoot Blacks everyday, every single day! So if they don't want to be shot maybe they should remember why they shoot each other and avoid that type of deal.

Now that said, the cop is stupid and should already be charged, convicted and sentenced and killed. Which gets to your second point of value of life. I value your life as much as you do. If your ignorant and do stupid stuff of which the consequences make cause your life to end, then I don't value your life at all, 0%.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Originally posted by krazykats:

Originally posted by JohnBlue_: Just my wild guess here but maybe they don't want to be shot?

You can't keep killing people and think saying your sorry makes it all better. It's bs. Millions, maybe more and countless hours were spent training and equipping police forces with non lethal weapons and they have regressed back to lethal methods. Where is the value on human life? There is none, and that's the problem.

This post was edited on 4/8 9:04 PM by JohnBlue_

This simply is normal everyday logic but the problem is Blacks shoot Blacks everyday, every single day! So if they don't want to be shot maybe they should remember why they shoot each other and avoid that type of deal.

Now that said, the cop is stupid and should already be charged, convicted and sentenced and killed. Which gets to your second point of value of life. I value your life as much as you do. If your ignorant and do stupid stuff of which the consequences make cause your life to end, then I don't value your life at all, 0%.

Poor analogy. It's, do police officers shoot someone regardless of race as they flee and are unarmed? Every single day.
Police are working for the people to protect and serve not maim and harass.
The officer had several other options to handle the situation even not chasing and just impounding the car,

 

[krazykats]

I agree the cop is in the wrong, 100%. My point was he was the stupid one in this situation so I don't value his life what so ever. I don't value anyone's life that is just capable of those type acts period. I don't really care about race honestly, but if your looking for an agenda based post I could see why you think that's what I was saying. It wasn't.

I'm a contrarian by nature, and in this situation there is a ton is things to be contrarian about.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Originally posted by krazykats:
I agree the cop is in the wrong, 100%. My point was he was the stupid one in this situation so I don't value his life what so ever. I don't value anyone's life that is just capable of those type acts period. I don't really care about race honestly, but if your looking for an agenda based post I could see why you think that's what I was saying. It wasn't.

I'm a contrarian by nature, and in this situation there is a ton is things to be contrarian about.

Way I read your comment was putting a race spin on it. People shoot each other every day for various reasons.

As for JohnBlue's comment. It's about police use of deadly force. So much tax money has been spent for training and research to make the deadly use of a gun the last resort. If the perp has a deadly weapon, fine. This was incident uncalled for and should been avoided.

Also,Ferguson you see the amount of military grade equipment that is available for your local police department.
That's a slippery slope to allow ones that suppose to protect the populace to have para-military abilities.

 

[LineSkiCat]

It might surprise many here to learn that the majority of cops are for body cameras.

 

[GhostVol]

Just got back from the vigil. 117 people there, plus 56 media types (yeah, I counted everybody). Less than 200 people total. It's politicized now...Walter Scott is an afterthought to the agenda. I took a bunch of pix, will post them tomorrow if anyone is remotely interested in them. The media was interviewing anyone who would talk to them...except me. They wanted another Ferguson SO BAD. Too bad Mayor Summey and Chief Driggers cut this off at the knees. Unlike Ferguson, there's one billion reasons why this story won't be a Ferguson. Half belongs to Boeing, and the other half belongs to Daimler-Benz. And Bosch takes care of what loose change is left. North Chuck is the business engine of the Lowcountry, and business wants this to be off the front page of the news ASAP.

as an aside...Anderson Cooper actually thought I was somebody's bodyguard. True story. Didn't think I looked THAT mean! Wasn't wearing shades nor a headset.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Originally posted by GhostVol:
Just got back from the vigil. 117 people there, plus 56 media types (yeah, I counted everybody). Less than 200 people total. It's politicized now...Walter Scott is an afterthought to the agenda. I took a bunch of pix, will post them tomorrow if anyone is remotely interested in them. The media was interviewing anyone who would talk to them...except me. They wanted another Ferguson SO BAD. Too bad Mayor Summey and Chief Driggers cut this off at the knees. Unlike Ferguson, there's one billion reasons why this story won't be a Ferguson. Half belongs to Boeing, and the other half belongs to Daimler-Benz. And Bosch takes care of what loose change is left. North Chuck is the business engine of the Lowcountry, and business wants this to be off the front page of the news ASAP.

as an aside...Anderson Cooper actually thought I was somebody's bodyguard. True story. Didn't think I looked THAT mean! Wasn't wearing shades nor a headset.

That and it's a pretty clear cut case with video. There's nothing to sensationalize from eyewitness accounts with different accounts.
Hopefully they can become an example for better enforcement procedures and technology.

 

[krazykats]

Wasn't trying to put spin on it at all. Fact is there is a lot of black on black crime but there are a lot more that are civilized. Without knowing a thing about the guy that was shot Id say from the pics I've seen he is your everyday dude that goes to work and not some OG thug or a wanna be. I wouldn't condone running from a cop but I have no idea why he was being sited either. So an everyday dude wouldn't normally run from a cop, the tazer is supposed to let you know it's not ok, and he got tazed and still ran so that makes me question the everyday dude stereotype I have.

Odd

But make no mistake other than getting shot on site that cop will get his, and I wish one of his coworkers would have popped him on the spot!

I also don't mind politicizing these events. I hate when an Al Sharpton tries to gain from it, but raising awareness is a good thing IMO.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Originally posted by GhostVol:
Just got back from the vigil. 117 people there, plus 56 media types (yeah, I counted everybody). Less than 200 people total. It's politicized now...Walter Scott is an afterthought to the agenda. I took a bunch of pix, will post them tomorrow if anyone is remotely interested in them. The media was interviewing anyone who would talk to them...except me. They wanted another Ferguson SO BAD. Too bad Mayor Summey and Chief Driggers cut this off at the knees. Unlike Ferguson, there's one billion reasons why this story won't be a Ferguson. Half belongs to Boeing, and the other half belongs to Daimler-Benz. And Bosch takes care of what loose change is left. North Chuck is the business engine of the Lowcountry, and business wants this to be off the front page of the news ASAP.

as an aside...Anderson Cooper actually thought I was somebody's bodyguard. True story. Didn't think I looked THAT mean! Wasn't wearing shades nor a headset.

CNN is not just praying for a race war, they are outright trying to make it happen. They have an opinion article up saying something like: "Shot Like a Runaway Slave".

Most black people I know are like most white people I know: reasonable human beings who don't freak out when things work the way they're supposed to work. This situation is clear cut - cop shoots unarmed man who is running away, he gets arrested, and gets charged with murder. Like GV said, hardly anyone is out there. CNN doesn't seem to get that.

 

[theoledog]

My take away confirms what I've always felt was true about LE in general and now because of the CC laws, about civilians as well..... #1 never trust that a man with a gun wont use it (LE), #2 never trust that a man won't have a gun (civilian) and use it.

I'm white and feel this way... A gun is a tool... I know tools... And I know that tools are used for the wrong reason at the wrong time in the wrong way by ordinary people all the time.......

 

[We-Todd-Did]

The young guy that took the video nearly deleted it because he feared for his safety if it became public. He said he gave it to the family because he felt they needed to see it.

Scary way for young black people to look at our culture

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Race is a red herring. Abuse of power is the problem. At some point a portion of the police force turned into Judge Dredd.

This notion that "blacks" should be more concerned with "black on black" crime is ridiculous. Society doesn't need to pick one issue or the other. Both need to be addressed.

I'm sure that young man is scared. He just saw a member of the police force casually shoot a man and cover it up with his buddy. If the officer would've seen him recording, little doubt in my mind he'd be dead too.

 

[LordEgg_rivals16573]

I'm eagerly awaiting the "why not comply if you weren't doing anything wrong ?" Crowd.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I do agree with insanity above. It's not just race.....although, I'm sure in many instances there is a part to it. This stuff happens to guys of any race........like in Richmond a few months back. It just doesn't reach mainstream media nearly as much.


I have to wonder what's going to happen to the other cop that showed up. He stood there while the bad cop strolled over, picked up the taser, and planted it around the body. And in the police report both officers "attempted and continued CPR"........The other officer should face disciplinary punishment as well. (not nearly as harsh, of course)

 

[We-Todd-Did]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:
Race is a red herring. Abuse of power is the problem. At some point a portion of the police force turned into Judge Dredd.

This notion that "blacks" should beI'll one concerned with "black on black" crime is ridiculous. Society doesn't need to pick one issue or the other. Both need to be addressed.

I'm sure that young man is scared. He just saw a member of the police force casually shoot a man and cover it up with his buddy. If the officer would've seen him recording, little doubt in my mind he'd be dead too.

Your race point is right. I shouldnt have even mentioned it because it isnt something relevant to the real issue.

Here is a story from more than 10 years ago right here in central Ky. I dont think I'll ever forget it because everyone talked about how wonderful he was in his position as school resource officer. Race is not an issue in it except that he had a bag of black pubes he got at a rest area urinal so he could plant them on a body.
Edit:Not duty related, just put this here because the point was made earlier about the attitudes of police about society in general.

This post was edited on 4/9 8:47 AM by We-Todd-Did

When you got to kill every mf'er in the house...

 

[krazykats]

I don't know about why run if your not doing anything wrong crowd, but I am interested in why the man got tazed and then ran. That's odd.

I also think from the video the kid was within a close enough distance the cops had to see him at some point. Probably not when he was shooting obviously though.

CNN is apart of the liberal media, most blacks are liberal so they target them and the average person isnt even aware they are being persuaded well in advance before a voting day.

You may not like that black on black crime should be the focus, or that it can exist and make this a lessor situation and I get that. But how it works is as they begin to have reason to value their own lives and not drop each other over the newest pair shoes or designer tank top then so will the rest of the world. I could elaborate on that because it takes a lot to change the stereotype but I think keeping it simple is best.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by LordEgg:
I'm eagerly awaiting the "why not comply if you weren't doing anything wrong ?" Crowd.

Again, someone being an ******* by trying to pretend others are ********. Nobody is saying the murder victim is responsible, the condemnation of the cop is complete and universal, the local authorities down there are acting in a swift and decisive manner.

Honestly it seems like some of you people WANT there to be fights and riots and controversy rather than everyone coming together in unison on issues. Are you that miserable a person, so full of evil and poison? I'm sad for you.

 

[LordEgg_rivals16573]

^yes. That's me. And in all my diabolical genius I'm starting a riot on a Kentucky message board.

The dude already has a go fund me sight someone started. If you think that group isn't out there you need a reality check. On this very board,numerous times I've seen the posters that say,"why resist if your innocent?" "What is there to worry about if you have nothing to hide?" Etc. If mentioning that I haven't seen those posters in this thread ticks you off...oh well.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Originally posted by LordEgg:

The dude already has a go fund me sight someone started. If you think that group isn't out there you need a reality check. On this very board,numerous times I've seen the posters that say,"why resist if your innocent?" "What is there to worry about if you have nothing to hide?" Etc. If mentioning that I haven't seen those posters in this thread ticks you off...oh well.

That's actually my stance. My best friend is a cop. My uncle is a cop. Every cop will tell you that every single person they arrest is "innocent"......and that they have to treat every single person they arrest as a "potential threat." So, if you are being arrested, you profess your innocence, you struggle, you run, etc.......it only makes it worse. The police are trained to come over the top with more force than you.

So, why resist and potentially cause more harm to the situation? More potential harm to you. More potential harm to the officer. Etc.

 

[krazykats]

Egg do you know why he was originally cited? How about what got him tazed? How about why he ran after getting tazed?

I ask these questions because the video shows none of that and I haven't heard a report.

Asking these questions doesn't mean I think the murdered was guilty, nor does it mean I want the cop to walk free. But as an adult I am usually on the right side of the law these days and I rarely have the same guilty feeling when I see cops as I did when I was younger and would go out of my way to avoid them. It's true, it's real and its a natural feeling.

I guess you think I should still be scared for my life!

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by BlueRaider22:

Originally posted by LordEgg:

The dude already has a go fund me sight someone started. If you think that group isn't out there you need a reality check. On this very board,numerous times I've seen the posters that say,"why resist if your innocent?" "What is there to worry about if you have nothing to hide?" Etc. If mentioning that I haven't seen those posters in this thread ticks you off...oh well.

That's actually my stance. My best friend is a cop. My uncle is a cop. Every cop will tell you that every single person they arrest is "innocent"......and that they have to treat every single person they arrest as a "potential threat." So, if you are being arrested, you profess your innocence, you struggle, you run, etc.......it only makes it worse. The police are trained to come over the top with more force than you.

So, why resist and potentially cause more harm to the situation? More potential harm to you. More potential harm to the officer. Etc.

I don't think any reasonable person will complain when an officer uses reasonable force to subdue a non compliant person. But what weve seen from the last few years is just unacceptable. It had been going on for a long time, with very few instances being caught on video. Just not as often as what we're seeing now. Im not sure what caused the escalation. But its unacceptable and alarming.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Oh, no. What this cop did was crazy wrong. I was responding back to LorgEgg's comment about "where are they guys saying to just comply if you are innocent?"

 

[Chuckinden]

For the life of me, I can't understand why the cop did what he did. He just threw away his life and didn't have to. Also, his wife is 8 months pregnant.