Policeman charged with murder after shooting black man in South Carolina

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Originally posted by Chuckinden:
For the life of me, I can't understand why the cop did what he did. He just threw away his life and didn't have to. Also, his wife is 8 months pregnant.
I think it's most likely because law enforcement, especially police officers, as a career attracts psychopaths who want to legally fulfill their murder fantasies.

Or for the more normal ones, want to continue being a prick through life like they were in high school.
 

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^Exactly! I mean there had to be something more than, this guy doesn't respect my badge and I'm killing him. Makes no sense and of course that is in my shoes perspective.

Hell Id let him go and lose my job before I lose my life!
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
^Exactly! I mean there had to be something more than, this guy doesn't respect my badge and I'm killing him. Makes no sense and of course that is in my shoes perspective.

Hell Id let him go and lose my job before I lose my life!
Talked with a couple of guys on our campus force who are friends with some of the North Chuck force. kk is right. It simply boiled down to 'this guy doesn't respect my badge and I'm killing him'. Sad, really.
 
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Originally posted by Chuckinden:
For the life of me, I can't understand why the cop did what he did. He just threw away his life and didn't have to. Also, his wife is 8 months pregnant.
He didn't think hed be caught. Someone recording him never crossed his mind. That's why he started arranging the scene so he could use the same line that police have used for years: "He went for my gun/I perceived a threat, and I felt lethal force was necessary".

Honestly, if not for this video is there any doubt that same line would've worked here? Explaining away the shots in the back would definitely be a little tougher than the usual sell. But whos to say otherwise? The dead guy cant talk. Eventually he would've been cleared; like always.
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
Egg do you know why he was originally cited? How about what got him tazed? How about why he ran after getting tazed?

I ask these questions because the video shows none of that and I haven't heard a report.
Theory is that he (Scott) thought he was getting arrested for a warrant that was out regarding failure to pay child support, so he ran after being pulled over (for a broken taillight). Cop tased him, Scott ran again after being tased, then the Cop shot Scott.

- When Mr. Scott, who had a long arrest record, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, was pulled over for the traffic violation, he called his mother to let her know. "I guess he did that because of the outstanding child support warrant," Anthony Scott said. "He probably thought he was getting arrested."

- He thinks his brother, who was employed as a forklift operator, ran the first time from the police because of the warrant, and ran again because he had been hit by the Taser.

This post was edited on 4/9 11:37 AM by (Wildcat)

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What happened is that only one of the electrodes actually hit Scott. The other was entangled in his clothing. Thus, he didn't get the full shock, but it was probably painful enough to convince him he didn't want another one.
 

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Well bench warrants are a reason to run. Not sure how you call your mom to let her know you may get arrested, then run and get tazed for it and still run. But whatever that doesn't warrant being murdered either.

I used to watch COPS and the stuff those cops went through was stupid to get their man. I wonder if that perception of what it takes to get caught is playing in these idiots heads who think cops are like parents saying no, stop, no, stop, please stop, do you want some candy?, please stop, no no no no no.

Terrible situation all the way around and except for the staging I bet this cop still get a light sentence. In the end they will make the victim out to be a bad guy and the cop while wrong was "just trying to do his job". 5 yrs with 3 on good behavior.
 

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Originally posted by LordEgg:

The dude already has a go fund me sight someone started. If you think that group isn't out there you need a reality check. On this very board,numerous times I've seen the posters that say,"why resist if your innocent?" "What is there to worry about if you have nothing to hide?" Etc. If mentioning that I haven't seen those posters in this thread ticks you off...oh well.

That's actually my stance. My best friend is a cop. My uncle is a cop. Every cop will tell you that every single person they arrest is "innocent"......and that they have to treat every single person they arrest as a "potential threat." So, if you are being arrested, you profess your innocence, you struggle, you run, etc.......it only makes it worse. The police are trained to come over the top with more force than you.

So, why resist and potentially cause more harm to the situation? More potential harm to you. More potential harm to the officer. Etc.
Exactly. If you run, the officer has a legal and moral imperative to shoot you 6 times, so that others in the future dont run. This also gives them the right to place evidence near you that wasnt there before.
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:

Terrible situation all the way around and except for the staging I bet this cop still get a light sentence. In the end they will make the victim out to be a bad guy and the cop while wrong was "just trying to do his job". 5 yrs with 3 on good behavior.
Don't think that is the case, the video is as conclusive evidence of an execution ever recorded. A jury of any possible makeup in terms of ethnicity is going to be horrified at the monstrous act of cowardice and lack of regard for human life, and push for the max possible.
 

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I hope so because the slightest effort and he could have at the least went Craig from Friday on Scott and tripped him from behind......remember this!!!

Like I said the staging may get him in the end, and that will be very difficult for any defense to overcome especially since his statement was already in that Scott tried or got his tazer when clearly that wasn't the case.
 
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When you consider how swiftly he was indicted combined with the current general consensus regarding police deaths; this guy is getting hammered.

Plus there's no way this sees a trial. If you're the defendant, how do you let the jury see that tape?

The prosecutor should offer him 30 years. May be willing to drop as low as 20 to get a deal done. But I don't see anything less than that.
 

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Originally posted by JasonSpear:

Originally posted by (Wildcat):

- He thinks his brother, who was employed as a forklift operator, ran the first time from the police because of the warrant, and ran again because he had been hit by the Taser.


Sorry, but that's funny.

I'm pretty sure getting nailed with a taser is the universal language for "DON'T FN MOVE", not "GET UP AND RUN".
Let's taze you and see how your "Fight or Flight" response goes.
 
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Originally posted by KyFaninNC:

Here is my question.

What do black people want?

They tried to burn Ferguson down because they would not arrest Wilson. Even Holder could not find one shred against Wilson. In Charleston, the cop is in jail and charged with murder,yet blacks are protesting, (at least they aren't rioting,yet). So, no matter what the authorities do, blacks are never satisfied. So what are they protesting about now? The cop is in jail and charged.
Putting this one guy in jail, since in this case we're lucky enough to have conclusive video evidence, is merely a band-aid. What's needed is a comprehensive change in the relationship between the police and the people. It has not always been this way, and it is not this way in other civilized countries. We have two problems that are all tied up together and confused back and forth with people pulling for one or the other to be focused on, but as others in this thread have spoken to, both need ot be addressed. One is that we have an overly militarized police force that too often plays judge, jury, and executioner. Who thinks people should submit to them and any of their demands if they have nothing to hide. Who far too quickly escalate force, rather than trying to manage and defuse situations and minimize force to reduce the risk of harm to perpetrators, officers themselves, and bystanders. Who see themselves and the people as being at odds with each other, with the cops being the only thing holding society back from a collapse into violent anarchy. Two, we do have a situation where racial profiling exists and people, based on their race - along with but not entirely explained by socioeconomic status - are approached in different manners. Both of these problems need to be addressed, and need serious, deliberate effort at remedying them.
 

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I haven't read the two pages in this thread but is anyone defending the cop In here? Seems pretty evident the cop executed the guy.
 
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Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:


Originally posted by JasonSpear:


Originally posted by (Wildcat):

- He thinks his brother, who was employed as a forklift operator, ran the first time from the police because of the warrant, and ran again because he had been hit by the Taser.


Sorry, but that's funny.

I'm pretty sure getting nailed with a taser is the universal language for "DON'T FN MOVE", not "GET UP AND RUN".
Let's taze you and see how your "Fight or Flight" response goes.
Not only that, but the man made a decision to run from someone who casually murders him a split second later. His instincts were correct.
 

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Originally posted by kghighroller:

I haven't read the two pages in this thread but is anyone defending the cop In here? Seems pretty evident the cop executed the guy.
It is really kind of bizarre, some responses on here & in the national media/social media. It is like some want to pick a fight or controversy or sides out of this like it was Ferguson, when the truth is everyone who has seen the vid knows the cop is guilty. And the response by the local politicians/DA's office has seemingly made the community quite satisfied that proper and swift justice is going to occur.

All the national media folks who descended on N. Charleston leaving disappointed with no destruction and outrage to broadcast....
 

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That's because the media treats this stuff like a job to Corey them until the next stupid thing comes along. If they can carry it out a week they are good to go because surely something dumb will happen within a week.

Since the locals are getting it right their story was 1 day long and over now something needs to happen yesterday.
 

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Pretty simple. Blacks are protesting, not this happening, but ones that go un-filmed. Profiling and lack of regard for a black man/women (s) life by law enforcement is very obvious. It is to draw attention on a big (and without a doubt he was a murderer)stage that cops do this. For the one that got filmed, 100's maybe 1000's go unnoticed or have a witness like this one. Protesting to make sure it becomes more important that Law Enforcement be held accountable and punished for THEIR crimes, and that they do sometimes go rogue or are racially biased and not cast a wide net over ALL blacks. "Just because you are black, does not make you a criminal or suspect." It is not just blacks murdered they are protesting, it how they are treated by law enforcement in general. Example, pulled over BWD, etc.
 

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And that's fine but treat each other like black lives matter and in general so will the rest of the world. I know thats a blanket statement and all but for the blacks that are stand up people they typically run from those that aren't and head to the suburbs. Not everyone can and it may feel like a trap, but nevertheless the value of life at that point is extremely low.

Is it wrong to see it that way? Sure. I guess, I don't really know how else it's supposed to change. I do know this when I hear about Trailor trash being mistreated it doesn't bother me a bit.
 
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Originally posted by krazykats:
And that's fine but treat each other like black lives matter and in general so will the rest of the world. I know thats a blanket statement and all but for the blacks that are stand up people they typically run from those that aren't and head to the suburbs. Not everyone can and it may feel like a trap, but nevertheless the value of life at that point is extremely low.

Is it wrong to see it that way? Sure. I guess, I don't really know how else it's supposed to change. I do know this when I hear about Trailor trash being mistreated it doesn't bother me a bit.
Dude, a tiny fraction of black people ever murder someone. If you let that small fraction influence how you feel toward the vast majority who don't ever take another black life, that's pretty much textbook racism.
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
And that's fine but treat each other like black lives matter and in general so will the rest of the world.
You keep saying this, or some slight variation of it. It seems that you're stating that because some black people are violent towards other black people, then police officers shouldn't be expected to refrain from using excessive force against black people in general?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sure seems to be gist of it.
 
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Every year, roughly 2 black people out of every 1000 murder someone. I'm not sure how that's relevant to whether the lives of the other 998 matter.
 

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Originally posted by _Chase_:
Planting the taser video, stabilized.
Ya know, He also littered too. That's a $500 fine on top of the murder charge. As many charges as they find on this turd.
 

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I'm curious whether or not anything happens to the other cop. He clearly watched the guy pick up the taser and bring it over to the dead guy. In his report he also stated that both of them tried CPR.

I'm honestly a little bit surprised the guy shooting the video didn't get killed. I think if he had been closer, there had been no fence, and the cop would have for sure seen him shooting the video, he might be dead too.
 

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Originally posted by ganner918:

Originally posted by krazykats:
And that's fine but treat each other like black lives matter and in general so will the rest of the world. I know thats a blanket statement and all but for the blacks that are stand up people they typically run from those that aren't and head to the suburbs. Not everyone can and it may feel like a trap, but nevertheless the value of life at that point is extremely low.

Is it wrong to see it that way? Sure. I guess, I don't really know how else it's supposed to change. I do know this when I hear about Trailor trash being mistreated it doesn't bother me a bit.
Dude, a tiny fraction of black people ever murder someone. If you let that small fraction influence how you feel toward the vast majority who don't ever take another black life, that's pretty much textbook racism.
Not saying I agree with anything but in 2010, despite African Americans being only 13% of the population, they were responsible for nearly 60% of the gun homicides that year. That is wild.

I don't like getting into any racial issues and I don't like cops at all so I don't have any agenda.
 

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Originally posted by Chase:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sure seems to be gist of it.
No your wrong if you think I'm trying to say the cop is right, and it's not an easy thing to explain, but there is a stereo type and the people that don't know the reality or choose to ignore it fall victim(terrible choice of word in this case because the cop is no victim) to prepare for the stereotype instead of reality.

Of course some choose to want to rather keep the stereotype because they don't like a color or style of life and those people are ignorant and want to be. At this point after hearing what the altercation was, Id say this cop falls under that blanket. He clearly didn't want to ever really do his job and probably judged that he was justified to shoot him because of the child support warrants.

This cop is in the wrong, and any cops with this mentality or strategy to their job is wrong and I'm glad they are getting ousted.

That said it's tough to know which cops are the good ones for minorities(because this doesn't just happen to blacks), but at the same time is not fair for the cops to not know who is decent folk as opposed to the anti cop criminals? But only cops have any liability in the situation.

Again this cop is stupid and I hope he gets what he deserves. Not only did he kill this man he tried to stage a scene.
 

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This touches on it some, but the stats are skewed by things like staged scenes for sure as this would have been if it wasn't for the recording.

Crime stats
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:

but at the same time is not fair for the cops to not know who is decent folk as opposed to the anti cop criminals? But only cops have any liability in the situation.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Life's not fair. Those guys are trained to make tough judgment calls (this was not one of those situations). If they don't want to do that, then they shouldn't be cops.

And only the cops have any liability? What do you mean? If a criminal gets caught, or kills a cop, they certainly "have liability".
 

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I agree if they can't handle then they shouldn't sign up. but I guess that's easier said than done for a lot of people signing up.

The mentality of the ones that are criminal enough to test cops or even put cops in danger don't care about jail and aren't scared of it what so ever, so what's to stop them from testing the cops patience/integrity or whatever is at stake? As soon as the cop doesn't handle the situation right he is toast!

I'm aware that in this case, that's not the case. But to just say cops pick on blacks is not accurate. The last 2 situations are Ferguson where the cop was in the right, and this one where the cop is wrong and is charged and will not get away with it.

I guess I just don't like people judging "cops" for this dumbass just like its not fair for blacks to be mistreated because of what a small fraction does.
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
I guess I just don't like people judging "cops" for this dumbass just like its not fair for blacks to be mistreated because of what a small fraction does.
I agree with that.
 

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Originally posted by _Chase_:
Planting the taser video, stabilized.

Like a pro. Man, I'm terrified of cops planting crap on me. I believe over half of cops are easily corrupt and do this type of garbage all the time.
 

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It's a shame that this man tried to run away from the cop, twice. He certainly shouldn't have been killed but what is up with all these people who don't know how to deal with an interaction with police?
 

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There is hope for America after all.

Good 'ol Al Sharpton wanted to come to Walter Scott's funeral tomorrow. The Scott family told him to stay away. They did not want the funeral to become a 'Ferguson-like circus'. Good for them.
 

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Originally posted by JumperJack:
It's a shame that this man tried to run away from the cop, twice. He certainly shouldn't have been killed but what is up with all these people who don't know how to deal with an interaction with police?
Agree. No run, no murder. Simple as pie. You should expect to be murdered if you back talk, sass, or run away.
 

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Originally posted by GhostVol:
There is hope for America after all.

Good 'ol Al Sharpton wanted to come to Walter Scott's funeral tomorrow. The Scott family told him to stay away. They did not want the funeral to become a 'Ferguson-like circus'. Good for them.
Glad to hear that.
 

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Originally posted by -LEK-:


Originally posted by JumperJack:
It's a shame that this man tried to run away from the cop, twice. He certainly shouldn't have been killed but what is up with all these people who don't know how to deal with an interaction with police?
Agree. No run, no murder. Simple as pie. You should expect to be murdered if you back talk, sass, or run away.
Don't know why you cant understand this but people can think the dude shouldn't have tried to run away from the cop and also think the cop should spend all kinds of time in prison for his disgusting act at the same time.