Political Thread: Global Warming Edition

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by warrior-cat:

Come on now Deee, getting harder to blame Bush so now you use the Tea party to blame. Weakest point yet.

When we stand together as a nation we are much stronger. As a military guy I know you must appreciate the truth of that.
That does mean we can't have civil debate, that's what a democracy is about. However right now we are in the midst of a sensitive negotiation with Iran the success or failure of which could bare a very heavy price. In fact it is essentially a continuation of the negations President Bush began.

I think it's important that everyone support the president to give these negotiations the best possible chance of success, however some cannot resist the opportunity for political gain by attempting to undermine the president - and you know who that is.. In your own mind put politics aside for a second and think about what another war in the Mideast would mean to you, me and everyone else. You know as well if not better than anyone on this board, and then trust your own sense of reason and rationality, rather than just listening to the TV talking heads beating the drum for war.

 

[Chuckinden]

Obama only helps to divide the country with remarks like he made in Selma. He should be a President for all the people instead of pandering to the vast majority that voted for him. It would help him in the long run.

I wish he would never had been elected. He has made things worse and not just within his own performance.

 

[mashburned]

How stuff works now. Pander to your group and talk bad about the opposition. It creates conflict and you just sit back and profit as the imbeciles campaign/work for you. You dont have to say ****, really. Just empower one large group of people, tell them how much another group sucks, and profit. Keep pumping sunshine and getting more extreme. Keep profiting. Conflict is wonderful. God bless the internet/media.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

No Mr. President neither you or your Administration is transparent. This from the President talking about Hillary Clinton and the emails.
This post was edited on 3/8 11:59 AM by Catfan in Tn.

 

[warrior-cat]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:



Come on now Deee, getting harder to blame Bush so now you use the Tea party to blame. Weakest point yet.

When we stand together as a nation we are much stronger. As a military guy I know you must appreciate the truth of that.
That does mean we can't have civil debate, that's what a democracy is about. However right now we are in the midst of a sensitive negotiation with Iran the success or failure of which could bare a very heavy price. In fact it is essentially a continuation of the negations President Bush began.

I think it's important that everyone support the president to give these negotiations the best possible chance of success, however some cannot resist the opportunity for political gain by attempting to undermine the president - and you know who that is.. In your own mind put politics aside for a second and think about what another war in the Mideast would mean to you, me and everyone else. You know as well if not better than anyone on this board, and then trust your own sense of reason and rationality, rather than just listening to the TV talking heads beating the drum for war.

Not for beating the drums of war but, also not for Obama's approach or his foreign policies. In the end, the route he is taking will hurt us. Short term gain= long term damage in the middle east which will ultimately have us back over there on a large scale again. I am for letting Israel handle it and if they need our help later on, they pay us to be there. Israel can handle Iran.
This post was edited on 3/8 12:38 PM by warrior-cat

 

[warrior-cat]

Originally posted by Mashburned:
How stuff works now. Pander to your group and talk bad about the opposition. It creates conflict and you just sit back and profit as the imbeciles campaign/work for you. You dont have to say ****, really. Just empower one large group of people, tell them how much another group sucks, and profit. Keep pumping sunshine and getting more extreme. Keep profiting. Conflict is wonderful. God bless the internet/media.

Yes, and eventually it will be our downfall.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by warrior-cat:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:



Come on now Deee, getting harder to blame Bush so now you use the Tea party to blame. Weakest point yet.

When we stand together as a nation we are much stronger. As a military guy I know you must appreciate the truth of that.
That does mean we can't have civil debate, that's what a democracy is about. However right now we are in the midst of a sensitive negotiation with Iran the success or failure of which could bare a very heavy price. In fact it is essentially a continuation of the negations President Bush began.

I think it's important that everyone support the president to give these negotiations the best possible chance of success, however some cannot resist the opportunity for political gain by attempting to undermine the president - and you know who that is.. In your own mind put politics aside for a second and think about what another war in the Mideast would mean to you, me and everyone else. You know as well if not better than anyone on this board, and then trust your own sense of reason and rationality, rather than just listening to the TV talking heads beating the drum for war.

Not for beating the drums of war but, also not for Obama's approach or his foreign policies. In the end, the route he is taking will hurt us. Short term gain= long term damage in the middle east which will ultimately have us back over there on a large scale again. I am for letting Israel handle it and if they need our help later on, they pay us to be there. Israel can handle Iran.
This post was edited on 3/8 12:38 PM by warrior-cat

Exactly. We really don't have to do anything. Just get out of the way. Israel will handle business. But no....we can't have that.

Also about the war drums: limited few actually want war. But if Iran, etc doesn't believe force is an option; we're just blowing wind.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

Originally posted by Chuckinden:
Obama only helps to divide the country with remarks like he made in Selma. He should be a President for all the people instead of pandering to the vast majority that voted for him. It would help him in the long run.

I wish he would never had been elected. He has made things worse and not just within his own performance.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Originally posted by AlbanyWildCat:

Originally posted by Chuckinden:
Obama only helps to divide the country with remarks like he made in Selma. He should be a President for all the people instead of pandering to the vast majority that voted for him. It would help him in the long run.

I wish he would never had been elected. He has made things worse and not just within his own performance.

Can't blame you for crying,since you support this incompetent POTUS in everything he does.

 

[qwesley]

Good read from a liberal and admitted Clinton admirer on HRCs foundation problem.

National Journal

 

[kafka0117]

Speaking of Obama and Selma, did he mention again how this historic event brought his parents together? Such a touching story. He told it whilst campaigning in '07. It was pandering at its best, given 1)it occurred in 1965, and 2)he was born in 1961. Just an outright lie. A sign of things to come.

 

[ukalumni00]

The remaining time of this President's term is a lot like how it was when you were 18 waiting to turn 21. Just seemed like it would never happen. Longest 3 years of my life. These last 2 years seem like an eternity.

Being transparent (something this administration has no clue about being), I felt the same way about Bush's last few years.

 

[qwesley]

Originally posted by ukalumni00:

Being transparent (something this administration has no clue about being), I felt the same way about Bush's last few years.



Bush basically phoned it in the last 3 years which fit his disengaged personality. Obama is intent on petty trolling at every opportunity which fits his smarmy personality.

 

[wkycatfan7]

I think the level of deception with this administration is off the charts, and we won't know the half of it until years from now.

 

[ukalumni00]

Originally posted by wkycatfan:
I think the level of deception with this administration is off the charts, and we won't know the half of it until years from now.

The amount of corruption and criminal behavior is astounding. Every administration has had its issues in these areas, but like the national debt, this administration has doubled or tripled how bad they have been compared to other administrations were in this regard. What is even sadder is that they will all get away with it except for Congressmen who do not toe the admins party line in which they will be investigated by a corrupt Attorney General.

Both the Reps and Dems are not getting the job done. Both parties suck. Whoever wins the Presidency in 2016 will be bought and paid for by Corporate America just like everyone else in Washington. Until the fundamental foundation of Washington is completely dismantled and rebuilt nothing will change (outlawing lobbyist, no more PAC funds, every candidate gets the same amount of financing depending on what position they are running for, term limits, etc). The only way this happens is when the country is so bankrupt that the government can no longer support the entitlement funds. Folks will then turn into animals and the revolt/revolution begins. Its coming but when is the question.

2016 is really about who is the lesser evil. You know what you are going to get with Hilary. More corruption, deception, entitlements, the list is very long. With the Reps, who really knows with any of them right now. After they eat one another alive in the primaries hopefully someone can come out of it with at least a lick of competency and can at least move the country in a somewhat better path. One thing is for sure, I can't imagine any of them being worse than this current administration has been.

This post was edited on 3/9 10:14 AM by ukalumni00

 

[warrior-cat]

The way to go as some have said is independent and hope we can get lucky with an outside candidate. However, as has been stated by me and others, Hillary is probably going to be it because "isn't about time we had a woman president". This is what she is running on and nothing else. She has nothing else but, she is still doing well in the polls which suggest that a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

Our country is in serious trouble folks and I hope a revolution happens soon.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by warrior-cat:
The way to go as some have said is independent and hope we can get lucky with an outside candidate. However, as has been stated by me and others, Hillary is probably going to be it because "isn't about time we had a woman president". This is what she is running on and nothing else. She has nothing else but, she is still doing well in the polls which suggest that a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

Our country is in serious trouble folks and I hope a revolution happens soon.

Id love an independent candidate. Problem is, Dems will vote Dem no matter who gets the nomination. So any independent will almost certainly be taking votes from the GOP; ala Bush/Perot. Ironically enough it would put a Clinton in the White House again.

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

Republicans are a sad bunch...just oozing patriotism with these recent acts.

But as has happened so many times before, Republicans seem to have concluded that there is one set of rules and norms that apply in ordinary times, and an entirely different set that applies when Barack Obama is the president. You no longer need to show the president even a modicum of respect. You can tell states to ignore the law. You can sabotage delicate negotiations with a hostile foreign power by communicating directly with that power.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/03/09/republicans-are-beginning-to-act-as-though-barack-obama-isnt-even-the-president/?hpid=z3

 

[CherylD]

Obama said the other day that he found out about Hillary using her private email account 'from the news - like everyone else' - Today the press secretary said that there were emails between Obama and Hillary.

This President gets all his news 'from the news like everyone else', he doesn't recognize that Hillary is using her private email account and the governments.

These people must think we are really stupid and stands to reason that those voting for them are too.


The next 2 years are going too slowwwwww.

 

[qwesley]

Originally posted by CatDaddy4daWin:
Republicans are a sad bunch...just oozing patriotism with these recent acts.
You no longer need to show the president even a modicum of respect.

Oh, STFU with this nonsense. He contributed heavily to this chasm and is even talking of raising taxes via EO. The guy is on a huge troll streak, quit whining when he gets trolled back.

And, ahem, any lib talking of "respect" toward the POTUS is gag-inducing.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by CatDaddy4daWin:
Republicans are a sad bunch...just oozing patriotism with these recent acts.

You can sabotage delicate negotiations with a hostile foreign power by communicating directly with that power.

Yeah, never seen that before in the history of how Presidents have been treated

 

[qwesley]

KY Dems trying to get bonding passed for KEA retirement shortages (one of worst in nation)
Today KEA endorses Jack Conway and his chin-cleft

Where is Richie when you need him?

 

[EastKYWildcat]

I'll be voting independent in the upcoming election. I suggest everyone else do the same. Can't vote for my party anymore and surely can't vote for Hilary.

 

[CherylD]

I really like Scott Walker and hopes that he gets the nomination -

 

[qwesley]

From The Hill:

Joel McHale says when it comes to joke-telling, President Obama has him beat.

"It's almost unfair that he is who he is, and he's the leader of the free world and such a smart man, and on top of that, he can nail a joke," the "Community" star, who emceed last year's White House Correspondents' Association dinner, tells The Daily Beast.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:
I'll be voting independent in the upcoming election. I suggest everyone else do the same. Can't vote for my party anymore and surely can't vote for Hilary.

Welp, at least wait and see who the Repubs put up as a candidate. May be worth it.

 

[qwesley]

Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by CatDaddy4daWin:
Republicans are a sad bunch...just oozing patriotism with these recent acts.

You can sabotage delicate negotiations with a hostile foreign power by communicating directly with that power.

Yeah, never seen that before in the history of how Presidents have been treated

Pfffft....Harry Reid who referred to Bush as "loser" and that we had "lost the Iraq War" says today that the GOP is "empowering the ayatollahs"

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

Originally posted by qwesley:

Obama is intent on petty trolling at every opportunity which fits his smarmy personality.

It seems to be working quite well...tip my hat to him.

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Originally posted by Willy4UK:

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:
I'll be voting independent in the upcoming election. I suggest everyone else do the same. Can't vote for my party anymore and surely can't vote for Hilary.

Welp, at least wait and see who the Repubs put up as a candidate. May be worth it.

My party is currently telling people net neutrality is Obamanet and that global warming is a liberal hoax. They might even nominate Jeb Bush. I gave up on them long ago.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by warrior-cat:
The way to go as some have said is independent and hope we can get lucky with an outside candidate. However, as has been stated by me and others, Hillary is probably going to be it because "isn't about time we had a woman president". This is what she is running on and nothing else. She has nothing else but, she is still doing well in the polls which suggest that a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

Our country is in serious trouble folks and I hope a revolution happens soon.

I don't think the polls have caught up with this latest round of issues with her. Just setting aside whatever legal or ethical issues might be involved over "emailgate", it really rubs me the wrong way for a high ranking public official to be that secreative. It's hard for me to pull the handle for someone like that even though I might agree with their bullet point list on the issues over their opponent's. I would like to see someone like Jim Webb or Clair McCaskill step forward if she keeps sliding;.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:


My party is currently telling people net neutrality is Obamanet and that global warming is a liberal hoax. They might even nominate Jeb Bush. I gave up on them long ago.

I know man. Sometimes just wanna get high off of raw sewage just to end it all. Surely Jeb won't get the nom. That's crazy. Do Americans know what an oligarchy is?

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:
The way to go as some have said is independent and hope we can get lucky with an outside candidate. However, as has been stated by me and others, Hillary is probably going to be it because "isn't about time we had a woman president". This is what she is running on and nothing else. She has nothing else but, she is still doing well in the polls which suggest that a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

Our country is in serious trouble folks and I hope a revolution happens soon.

I don't think the polls have caught up with this latest round of issues with her. Just setting aside whatever legal or ethical issues might be involved over "emailgate", it really rubs me the wrong way for a high ranking public official to be that secreative. It's hard for me to pull the handle for someone like that even though I might agree with their bullet point list on the issues over their opponent's. I would like to see someone like Jim Webb or Clair McCaskill step forward if she keeps sliding;.

But if she's the nominee; you're voting for her. Are you not?

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Originally posted by Willy4UK:

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:


My party is currently telling people net neutrality is Obamanet and that global warming is a liberal hoax. They might even nominate Jeb Bush. I gave up on them long ago.

I know man. Sometimes just wanna get high off of raw sewage just to end it all. Surely Jeb won't get the nom. That's crazy. Do Americans know what an oligarchy is?

There are a few essential changes that need to happen. Somehow restore McCain-Feingold and some semblance of balance between corporations and people. I'm all for corporations operating on only necessary regulation, but not at the expense of people's ability to participate in government. Computers need to draw districts. Gerrymandering only leads to increased radicalism.
This post was edited on 3/9 11:50 PM by EastKYWildcat

 

[Chuckinden]

Still it's ludicrous to try to undermine delicate negotiations with a hostile country. I can't believe any party would stoop this low and I didn't vote for Obama.

 

[dgtatu01]

I consider myself a conservative, but the Republicans have totally peed down their leg with the majority in both houses. Good lord, this is the sorriest excuse of governing I have ever heard of. The audacity of senators to send a letter to a foreign government claiming that they may not want to use diplomacy with the president because he might not be in office and sighting the Constitution????? I am quite sure the Constitution lays out specifically that the duties of the executive branch are to deal diplomatically with foreign governments and negotiate treaties, etc.

 

[Bill Cosby]

LOL at the left.

Sometimes, when dealing with tyrants, it's necessary to remind them how the US government works. It just so happened they also decided to send a letter to Iran.

Don't get me wrong, the Republicans are going to screw this up in an embarrassing fashion, because that's what they do.

Any response other than, "if the President is concerned about the separation of powers and the duty of each branch of government, that's a discussion we're happy to have. However, up to this point, each time we've brought up a separation of powers discussions, the President's response has been, 'so sue me.' We're happy that he has finally discovered the Constitution and hope he continues to learn about the separation of powers in the US government."

This should have NOTHING to do with Iran. Too bad the Republicans are going to act like this was the right thing to do for policy reasons (which is moronic) and not just them stooping to the level they need to stoop to deal with a petulant child.



Honestly though. You stupid sons of bitches do not get to bring up the separation of powers or Congress overstepping their boundaries. You've supported Obama throughout his time shitting all over the Constitution while we've sat here and warned you that he won't always be POTUS. And now that the shoe is on the other foot you want to cry. **** off.

 

[qwesley]

Originally posted by EastKYWildcat:

My party

Just stop

 

[qwesley]

Originally posted by dgtatu01:
I consider myself a conservative, but the Republicans have totally peed down their leg with the majority in both houses. Good lord, this is the sorriest excuse of governing I have ever heard of. The audacity of senators to send a letter to a foreign government claiming that they may not want to use diplomacy with the president because he might not be in office and sighting the Constitution????? I am quite sure the Constitution lays out specifically that the duties of the executive branch are to deal diplomatically with foreign governments and negotiate treaties, etc.

See BCs response below. TIA.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by warrior-cat:
The way to go as some have said is independent and hope we can get lucky with an outside candidate. However, as has been stated by me and others, Hillary is probably going to be it because "isn't about time we had a woman president". This is what she is running on and nothing else. She has nothing else but, she is still doing well in the polls which suggest that a lot of people agree with this sentiment.

Our country is in serious trouble folks and I hope a revolution happens soon.

I don't think the polls have caught up with this latest round of issues with her. Just setting aside whatever legal or ethical issues might be involved over "emailgate", it really rubs me the wrong way for a high ranking public official to be that secreative. It's hard for me to pull the handle for someone like that even though I might agree with their bullet point list on the issues over their opponent's. I would like to see someone like Jim Webb or Clair McCaskill step forward if she keeps sliding;.


I would take a serious look at Jim Webb, I like lots of what I know about him as of now. I am just tired of hearing the names Bush/Clinton. Bill and Hilary are notorious liars and cheats, not trustworthy. If this country is stupid enough to elect her as POTUS, then it's over. This country will cease to exist.

 

[ukalumni00]

Continued to be amazed with the pathetic leadership in the GOP. Like others have said they get the majority and have done nothing but screwed that up and it has not even been 3 months since they took over. Reid is in his own league of pathetic leadership, but the others are not far behind. One step would have been electing new leadership for both parties, but in typical Washington fashion money and power spoke too loud once again.

Sooner or later hopefully all Americans wake up and quit toeing party lines and start holding everyone in Washington accountable. There are a few who are there trying to do the right thing, but there are not many left.

As for Hilary, who really believes the latest rounds of news hurts her chances? She is a Clinton. Greed, corruption, unethical behavior, etc. runs through their veins. That is what they do best and they are even better at deflecting. A large portion of those who will vote for her either do not know about her skeletons or really do not care. It will come down to what it did when Obama got elected. We needed a first Black President. It was transformational for the country. Now, it will become we need the first woman President.