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warrior-cat

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Yeah, you are.

Were you on a desert island or in a state of suspended animation during Covid?

Or just being willfully obtuse as usual?

The F-ing stats don’t lie. How does the flu almost disappear for a 2 year period that coincidentally coincides with the peak of Covid, then reappear at previous levels afterwards?
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warrior-cat

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My wife can be in the other room watching TV, I'm in another room chatting with you guys and my dog will come in here every two minutes it seems to get me in the same room as my wife. When I do that, she will climb on her bed and go to sleep. Everybody that's ever had a dog will claim theirs is the best, I agree as I claim mine is the best. IMO no such thing as a bad dog IF the owners take the time the dog needs to be a great dog. It's all in the owner's hand. JMO. I have had some stubborn pups, but with the right attention they need they grew up to be excellent dogs. Do I want my dogs to be super friendly lick everybody in the face they see, nope that's not what my dogs are for. If we have company, she will stay right next to me and not bother anyone, that's how I raised her. In case you didn't know, I sure do love my dogs.
I have 4. 3 of them Pyrenees mixes. One mixed with an Anatolian shepherd is 147lbs (Known as the Monster). All this week we have had roofers and gutter men working on the house and tomorrow supposed to have windows replaced (two). The monster has moved throughout the house barking and growling wherever they are working. When I get up or walk around the house, she goes with me not letting me out of her sight. She is a mixed breed of guardian dogs and shows it.

At night, she sleeps in front of our bedroom door facing away from the bedroom. Always on guard. One of the other sleeps in the bedroom. My daughter's pit mix stays in front of her door. While they are the first line of defense and an early warning system, they are also members of our family which we love. If anyone was to hurt them...well...let's just say, get right with God because you are probably going to meet him soon.
 
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warrior-cat

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If a vehicle rams an ICE vehicle (or any other law enforcement), then ICE should be allowed to shoot the driver, no questions asked.

If they’re willing to use a vehicle to stop ICE from doing their job, then officers have no reason to believe they wouldn’t use other weapons as well.
Agreed. That is a life-threatening situation which requires an immediate defensive response. There should be no hesitation, and the punishment should be severe and final to deter any further attempts of the sort.
 

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notFromhere

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If a vehicle rams an ICE vehicle (or any other law enforcement), then ICE should be allowed to shoot the driver, no questions asked.

If they’re willing to use a vehicle to stop ICE from doing their job, then officers have no reason to believe they wouldn’t use other weapons as well.

The charges should also include assault with a deadly weapon as well as attempted murder.
 

berniecarbo

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I have 4. 3 of them Pyrenees mixes. One mixed with an Anatolian shepherd is 147lbs (Known as the Monster). All this week we have had roofers and gutter men working on the house and tomorrow supposed to have windows replaced (two). The monster has moved throughout the house barking and growling wherever they are working. When I get up or walk around the house, she goes with me not letting me out of her sight. She is a mixed breed of guardian dogs and shows it.

At night, she sleeps in front of our bedroom door facing away from the bedroom. Always on guard. One of the other sleeps in the bedroom. My daughter's pit mix stays in front of her door. While they are the first line of defense and an early warning system, they are also members of our family which we love. If anyone was to hurt them...well...let's just say, get right with God because you are probably going to meet him soon.
I have been around dogs all my life, but Maddie was my all time favorite dog. She lived a long life, bUt eventually got the canine version of Lou Gehrig Disease. We took her from west KY to Palm Beach Florida to see a vet who specialized in it.

The wife loves cats. We wound up taking a stray cat to Nashville on a monthly basis for cancer treatments.
 
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The charges should also include assault with a deadly weapon as well as attempted murder.

Iirc a vehicle is considered a deadly weapon and officers can respond with deadly force.

I am sure they are all constantly reminded to show restraint. The first time they, or a national guard, have to actually fire on someone it will be allllllll over the news
 

Tskware

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Amazon to replace 500k jobs with robots.

Trump needs to get on this or there will be mass unemployment down the line.
What exactly is he supposed to do? Wave his magic wand and tell companies they can't use robots and AI? Toyota probably makes way more cars than Henry Ford ever dreamed about by using much more technology.And far fewer people on assembly lines.That's just the way technology works and always has
 

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I have been around dogs all my life, but Maddie was my all time favorite dog. She lived a long life, bUt eventually got the canine version of Lou Gehrig Disease. We took her from west KY to Palm Beach Florida to see a vet who specialized in it.

The wife loves cats. We wound up taking a stray cat to Nashville on a monthly basis for cancer treatments.
My daughter used to bring home “free” cats. No telling how much money those “free” cats cost me during those years.
 
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You really need to start doing a deep dive into these doom and gloom articles you have posted lately because you continue to miss the nuts and bolts of the topic.

Is the ultimate outcome the loss of 500k jobs? That's the part im focusing on.

The details between ai and robotics (i saw this one was robotics) are irrelevant because its all derived from the same source and have the same result.

I am a free market person, but when the largest company in the world cuts 75% of its workforce that is a massive cost savings at the expense of several jobs.

This is just one. Every company out there all has this stuff in their development roadmaps. Im sure that's where this was leaked for Amazon.

Our society can neither fiscally nor emotionally handle half the country not having gainful employment.
 

berniecarbo

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Is the ultimate outcome the loss of 500k jobs? That's the part im focusing on.

The details between ai and robotics (i saw this one was robotics) are irrelevant because its all derived from the same source and have the same result.

I am a free market person, but when the largest company in the world cuts 75% of its workforce that is a massive cost savings at the expense of several jobs.

This is just one. Every company out there all has this stuff in their development roadmaps. Im sure that's where this was leaked for Amazon.

Our society can neither fiscally nor emotionally handle half the country not having gainful employment.
I have no idea what the answer is, but it does present the potential for huge problems at some point.
 

TrueBluePhil

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To determine the percentage of 500,000 jobs lost relative to the total number of employed people in the US (approximately 163.4 million as of the latest official data from August 2025), use the following formula:
\text{Percentage} = \left( \frac{500,000}{163,400,000} \right) \times 100
First, divide the number of jobs lost by the total employed:
\frac{500,000}{163,400,000} \approx 0.003061
Then multiply by 100 to convert to a percentage:
0.003061 \times 100 \approx 0.31\%
This represents about 0.3% of the total US workforce. Note that this is a rough estimate and assumes the 500K figure applies to the US specifically (claims about AI job displacement often vary by sector, timeline, and source, and may include global or net effects after accounting for new jobs created). maybe they should learn to CODE
 
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What exactly is he supposed to do? Wave his magic wand and tell companies they can't use robots and AI? Toyota probably makes way more cars than Henry Ford ever dreamed about by using much more technology.And far fewer people on assembly lines.That's just the way technology works and always has

That is ultimately the question. Its an unprecedented situation. The first step is acknowledging the issue. Then it will be a group effort to solve.

It needs to start now. Every decent size company in America have 1,3,5 year roadmaps for tech development. The sooner this gets addressed, the easier it is to get the companies on board because they haven't yet spent the development money.

Once they spend that money, it will be tough getting them on board. We need it to an all buy in solution.
 
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To determine the percentage of 500,000 jobs lost relative to the total number of employed people in the US (approximately 163.4 million as of the latest official data from August 2025), use the following formula:
\text{Percentage} = \left( \frac{500,000}{163,400,000} \right) \times 100
First, divide the number of jobs lost by the total employed:
\frac{500,000}{163,400,000} \approx 0.003061
Then multiply by 100 to convert to a percentage:
0.003061 \times 100 \approx 0.31\%
This represents about 0.3% of the total US workforce. Note that this is a rough estimate and assumes the 500K figure applies to the US specifically (claims about AI job displacement often vary by sector, timeline, and source, and may include global or net effects after accounting for new jobs created). maybe they should learn to CODE

It isn't just this employer. Its every decent size company out there. Any company with over 200 employees all have the roadmaps I discussed before. I see and discuss the ones with companies I work with.

Every one of those roadmaps is focused on replacing people with technology. That's literally their main focus.

If this problem is allowed to go forward, we are looking at massive unemployment across the nation.
 
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berniecarbo

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That is ultimately the question. Its an unprecedented situation. The first step is acknowledging the issue. Then it will be a group effort to solve.

It needs to start now. Every decent size company in America have 1,3,5 year roadmaps for tech development. The sooner this gets addressed, the easier it is to get the companies on board because they haven't yet spent the development money.

Once they spend that money, it will be tough getting them on board. We need it to an all buy in solution.
True, but The potential problem is even bigger than that. How many jobs can it effect both here and worldwide? What if we address it and other places do not? What about imports from those countries? If the problem grows big enough, what about people with no jobs? An even larger welfare state? Crime rates in that kind of society? Maybe it will be nothing, and I am not sure we are smart enough to deal with it, but shouldn't we at least think about "what ifs"?
 

TrueBluePhil

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It isn't just this employer. Its every decent size company out there. Any company with over 200 employees all have the roadmaps I discussed before. I see and discuss the ones with companies I work with.

Every one of those roadmaps is focused on replacing people with technology. That's literally their main focus.

If this problem is allowed to go forward, we are looking at massive unemployment across the nation.
You're the one that used 500K and not me. Its only .3% of our workforce. Like I said, go code or learn another skill
 

LineSkiCat14

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Amazon to replace 500k jobs with robots.

Trump needs to get on this or there will be mass unemployment down the line.

Not good. It seems something needs to be addressed with the uber-billionaires. I know it's their money, they earned it, they had the brilliant minds to create these companies and change our way of life.. and obviously the answers can't just be "Take their wealth!".. but the wealth gap is what it is. Less and less people are able to afford things. Should someone actually be worth half a trillion dollars? When do you get to the point where you have enough money? (Yes, I know Musk doesn't just have half a trillion under his matress).
 

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How much do you all know about Peter Thiel's Palantir program?

"Palantir, founded in 2003, received ~$2M seed funding from the CIA's In-Q-Tel in 2004, which introduced it to intelligence needs and helped refine its data analytics software. It served as the CIA's "only customer for years" during development, but expanded early to other U.S. agencies like the FBI, NSA, Pentagon, and DHS by 2009, plus initial private work (e.g., hedge funds, Somali piracy analysis). Government intel contracts dominated its first decade."

Americans are protected by the 4th amendment privacy rights so basically the CIA privatizes its unconstitutional mass surveillance by creating Palantir. From 01-08, Palantir had one client; the CIA. CEO Alex Karp, huge commie who fantasizes about drone striking his enemies--after 10/7, they flew the entire board to Israel to create a kill list of Palestinians using their facial recognition. Palantir has a list they maintain for the CIA of 1-2M Americans that they have classified as potential political dissidents.

"Palantir's software (e.g., Foundry and Gotham platforms) does enable the U.S. government to aggregate and analyze massive datasets on citizens—from IRS tax records, Social Security info, DHS immigration files, and more—via contracts worth over $113 million since early 2025.

This stems from a March 2025 executive order to "eliminate information silos" for efficiency (e.g., fraud detection, deportations), but critics—including ACLU experts, former Palantir employees, and even some MAGA voices—warn it creates a "mega-database" ripe for profiling critics, activists, or immigrants. "



"DARPA's LifeLog (2003–2004) aimed to create a massive database tracking "everything an individual says, sees, or does"—phone calls, emails, media habits, purchases, relationships—for predictive military/intel applications. It faced privacy backlash (linked to Total Information Awareness scandals) and was canceled on February 4, 2004, THE SAME DAY FACEBOOK LAUNCHED.

Thiel's Ties: Thiel didn't directly work on LifeLog, but his Palantir (co-founded 2003) received ~$2M seed funding from CIA's In-Q-Tel in 2005 for similar data-mining tools (e.g., counterterrorism analytics).

Critically, Thiel was Facebook's first major outside investor ($500K in 2004) and its third board member, enabling its rapid scaling into a "life-tracking" platform eerily mirroring LifeLog's goals.

No hard proof links DARPA/CIA directly to FB's creation, but Thiel's intel ties (via Palantir/In-Q-Tel) and early backers like Jim Breyer (In-Q-Tel connected) amplify the "deep state pivot" narrative. "

Vance is Thiel's golden boy. You're not getting rid of the deep state. It's bringing in a mass surveilance state.
 
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True, but The potential problem is even bigger than that. How many jobs can it effect both here and worldwide? What if we address it and other places do not? What about imports from those countries? If the problem grows big enough, what about people with no jobs? An even larger welfare state? Crime rates in that kind of society? Maybe it will be nothing, and I am not sure we are smart enough to deal with it, but shouldn't we at least think about "what ifs"?

That is why we need to act now. Domestic business wont want to change once they make this front loaded investment. China will absolutely be automating everything, but it wont much effect their prices because they already use either slave labor or close enough.

The key is addressing it now so the domestic companies can be part of the solution. Once they make that big spend, they will be against change.
 
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Not good. It seems something needs to be addressed with the uber-billionaires. I know it's their money, they earned it, they had the brilliant minds to create these companies and change our way of life.. and obviously the answers can't just be "Take their wealth!".. but the wealth gap is what it is. Less and less people are able to afford things. Should someone actually be worth half a trillion dollars? When do you get to the point where you have enough money? (Yes, I know Musk doesn't just have half a trillion under his matress).

The income gap is bad now but imo not something that will break society. However....when you let a company like Amazon lay off 75% of its workforce via robotics that company will become insanely wealthy beyond any comprehension as will any of the 25% remaining employees.

That's just there. This will happen across the country.

Beyond finances, it will have a massive social impact. A large part of Americans self worth is tied to being a productive worker. That's why so many just fall apart when they retire. That will be gone for large swaths of people and replaced with empty time and no income.

Its going to be a massive problem.
 

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The income gap is bad now but imo not something that will break society. However....when you let a company like Amazon lay off 75% of its workforce via robotics that company will become insanely wealthy beyond any comprehension as will any of the 25% remaining employees.

That's just there. This will happen across the country.

Beyond finances, it will have a massive social impact. A large part of Americans self worth is tied to being a productive worker. That's why so many just fall apart when they retire. That will be gone for large swaths of people and replaced with empty time and no income.

Its going to be a massive problem.
It absolutely is.

People keep thinking that life is going to be status quo and it is not. AI is going to destroy this---and it's going to be used to push UBI. Watch and see.

So we are undeniably headed toward AI domination, technocracy, universal basic income, mass surveilance state and digital ID/currency. It won't happen for boomer's but it's going to be a probem for everyone else.
 

berniecarbo

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That is why we need to act now. Domestic business wont want to change once they make this front loaded investment. China will absolutely be automating everything, but it wont much effect their prices because they already use either slave labor or close enough.

The key is addressing it now so the domestic companies can be part of the solution. Once they make that big spend, they will be against change.
By far the major effect will be larger companies, but it is effecting things one might not consider. As an example, I am mostly retired now at 78, but I make lampshades. I used to cut them out in mass with a large bandsaw made in the 1920's. I used to have 2 people running a saw 8 hours a day. I now know of one company here in the states with a machine that sections the material off the roll and cuts the material to size by itself.
 

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Watching Tish James stand outside the courthouse in front of cheering idiots and rant about the weaponization of the government is truly beyond insanity. These Democrats got so arrogant that they thought they were never going to lose another election and could go after people with no repurcussion????? 🤡 🤣
 
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It was at this time @Tinker Dan Augy decided this will never happen to me again. My friend Augy grew into a lean mean fighting machine and can now outrun any damn ice cream truck that comes around...


 

LineSkiCat14

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The income gap is bad now but imo not something that will break society. However....when you let a company like Amazon lay off 75% of its workforce via robotics that company will become insanely wealthy beyond any comprehension as will any of the 25% remaining employees.

That's just there. This will happen across the country.

Beyond finances, it will have a massive social impact. A large part of Americans self worth is tied to being a productive worker. That's why so many just fall apart when they retire. That will be gone for large swaths of people and replaced with empty time and no income.

Its going to be a massive problem.

Yeah I guess i sort of deviated there, but at the same time, if these billionaires aren't adding jobs (and instead intending to destroy jobs to line their pockets), then we maybe DON'T have as much use for their brilliance as we thought. It's a hard pill to swallow to see these half-trillionaires look to automate/eliminate jobs, while the people suffer, and not think "maybe this wealth gap needs to be addressed". It feels like we've done about all we can (feasibly) of reducing government bloat. Jobs arent't growing, but the rich get richer.

I don't have the answers at all, but what I can say, is that this isn't working. And it's kind of like early cancer diagnosis: things might be fine now for many Americans.. but give it a few more years of no remediation. Let more and more Americans fall into the poverty line and middle class. The damage is being done, even if we don't see it right away.