Poll: Clinton would sail to win over Trump

bamaEER

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I'm getting this feeling that Cruz may be in there instead of Trump--way too soon. But if Trump really gets the nomination, then there is no doubt Clinton will toss him like a salad. Of course, that would be the GOP's fault for nominating him in the first place
 

Mntneer

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I'm getting this feeling that Cruz may be in there instead of Trump--way too soon. But if Trump really gets the nomination, then there is no doubt Clinton will toss him like a salad. Of course, that would be the GOP's fault for nominating him in the first place

Cruz gives the election to Clinton as well.

The GOP is setting themselves up for failure and will have no one to blame but themselves.

With Hillary's personality she's most definitely beatable, but not with the top candidates the GOP is pushing now.
 
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moe

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I'm getting this feeling that Cruz may be in there instead of Trump--way too soon. But if Trump really gets the nomination, then there is no doubt Clinton will toss him like a salad. Of course, that would be the GOP's fault for nominating him in the first place
I think that the primaries will be important and it sounds like Trump will start off on a losing note which will hurt him nationally imo. Trump has already alienated the hispanics/latinos and being an equal opportunity offender, he's got plenty of time to piss off some other groups and lose their votes as well. If he's hasn't peaked yet, he will soon and it's all downhill from there.
 

WVUBRU

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Aug 7, 2001
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Cruz gives the election to Clinton as well.

The GOP is setting themselves up for failure and will have no one to blame but themselves.

With Hillary's personality she's most definitely beatable, but not with the top candidates the GOP is pushing now.
I fully agree
 
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Cruz gives the election to Clinton as well.

The GOP is setting themselves up for failure and will have no one to blame but themselves.

With Hillary's personality she's most definitely beatable, but not with the top candidates the GOP is pushing now.
Yup. But it isn't the GOP per se. It is the voters in the GOP. The GOP is now populated by a bunch of reactionary nuts who think the whole world is against them. And that group is mainly composed of uneducated white people and the vast majority of those are evangelicals.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Feb 2, 2008
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Yup. But it isn't the GOP per se. It is the voters in the GOP. The GOP is now populated by a bunch of reactionary nuts who think the whole world is against them. And that group is mainly composed of uneducated white people and the vast majority of those are evangelicals.
And then there is the very large percentage of us who aren't religious, are very educated, make 6 figures, and don't like runaway spending (taxes). In fact, most people I know fit that demographic .
 
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Yup. But it isn't the GOP per se. It is the voters in the GOP. The GOP is now populated by a bunch of reactionary nuts who think the whole world is against them. And that group is mainly composed of uneducated white people and the vast majority of those are evangelicals.

CBS had a panel of Trump supporters on tv Sunday morning; it was extremely discouraging watching it, revealing how ignorant some voters are.
 

Airport

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Dec 12, 2001
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CBS had a panel of Trump supporters on tv Sunday morning; it was extremely discouraging watching it, revealing how ignorant some voters are.
So the voters of California, NY, Illinois, Maryland are smart, all democratic states and will go for Hillary, are fiscally bankrupt. And the states of Texas and conservative legislatures that are being run properly, are morons? Give me the morons, they know that they are responsible for themselves and not entitled to live off other people.
 

bornaneer

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Yup. But it isn't the GOP per se. It is the voters in the GOP. The GOP is now populated by a bunch of reactionary nuts who think the whole world is against them. And that group is mainly composed of uneducated white people and the vast majority of those are evangelicals.

Idiot
 

bornaneer

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And then there is the very large percentage of us who aren't religious, are very educated, make 6 figures, and don't like runaway spending (taxes). In fact, most people I know fit that demographic .

Why do you keep trying? Whats next, golf lessons?
 
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So the voters of California, NY, Illinois, Maryland are smart, all democratic states and will go for Hillary, are fiscally bankrupt. And the states of Texas and conservative legislatures that are being run properly, are morons? Give me the morons, they know that they are responsible for themselves and not entitled to live off other people.

??? You're a moron. Did I even mention Hillary? You're fixated with her...like most of the GOP candidates.

California had a dem governor? LOL. Arnold is not a dem. NY bankrupt? LOL.

You're trying too hard.
 

Airport

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??? You're a moron. Did I even mention Hillary? You're fixated with her...like most of the GOP candidates.

California had a dem governor? LOL. Arnold is not a dem. NY bankrupt? LOL.

You're trying too hard.

Now, don't get angry. I was just implying that those states, and I do throw in NY, it's pretty bad right now too. There are many people leaving because of their 50% tax rate, that those states are being run by very liberal legislatures and governors and will be looking for bailouts when their money starts to run out. No, I'm not fixated on Hildabeast. Just pointing out that there's a reason that she is supported by libs, they're the real morons. Thinking you can get something for free. BTW, Arnold wasn't a conservative, and Calif is run by very liberal people. But, even Jerry has tried to tighten things up to restore some fiscal sanity. There will be no bailout as long as the current makeup of congress stays the same.
 

TarHeelEer

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Yup. But it isn't the GOP per se. It is the voters in the GOP. The GOP is now populated by a bunch of reactionary nuts who think the whole world is against them. And that group is mainly composed of uneducated white people and the vast majority of those are evangelicals.

Link to a source to this vast information trove? Or did you pull it out of your rear end?
 

bornaneer

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That same data shows that the Democrat Party is a party of the less successful, unmarried,Jewish,Catholic, Non white Protestants, ,agnostic,atheist,high school or less men and women,low income and unemployed.
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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That same data shows that the Democrat Party is a party of the less successful, unmarried,Jewish,Catholic, Non white Protestants, ,agnostic,atheist,high school or less men and women,low income and unemployed.
I didn't see any measure of "success" cited in those polls. Both parties are made up of a lot of different kinds of folks. The data showed that the more educated someone was, the more likely they were to have a lean toward the D's. It also showed that R's held the advantage with the less educated, as well as with older people, white Christians and Mormons. I'm not holding that up to say anything one way or the other about either party. My point is that you shouldn't inject your opinion about the level of success of someone based on party affiliation into the argument. It weakens your point.

BTW, the independents are winning out with all of this political bluster from both sides of the aisle. The point that should be taken from that is that the general election is really up to the people who don't get to pick the 2 major candidates. Whoever tracks toward the middle more convincingly is most likely the winner in the general. I think that's the argument against Trump or Cruz having success. I think it's a solid argument for someone like Kasich or Christie or Rubio or Bush.
 

bamaEER

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May 29, 2001
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Whoever tracks toward the middle more convincingly is most likely the winner in the general. I think that's the argument against Trump or Cruz having success. I think it's a solid argument for someone like Kasich or Christie or Rubio or Bush.

This is a really good point, but the problem is those more middle-leaning GOP candidates comprise the bottom feeders at this point. GOP voters in polls so far seem to care less about the middle.
 

CAJUNEER_rivals

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May 29, 2001
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Whoever tracks toward the middle more convincingly is most likely the winner in the general. I think that's the argument against Trump or Cruz having success. I think it's a solid argument for someone like Kasich or Christie or Rubio or Bush.

This is a really good point, but the problem is those more middle-leaning GOP candidates comprise the bottom feeders at this point. GOP voters in polls so far seem to care less about the middle.
If the voters go into the polls thinking environment or economy our next prez will probably be a dem. If the voters go in thinking terrorism or immigration our next prez is probably a rep.
 

mneilmont

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Jan 23, 2008
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If the voters go into the polls thinking environment or economy our next prez will probably be a dem. If the voters go in thinking terrorism or immigration our next prez is probably a rep.
Do you really believe that Dems get a vote as the champion of the economy after 7 years Of the Obama administration? I really had more faith in you. Must apologize.
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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If the voters go into the polls thinking environment or economy our next prez will probably be a dem. If the voters go in thinking terrorism or immigration our next prez is probably a rep.
A lot of voters are going to hit the polls with immigration as an important issue, but they are not going to agree with the GOP stance.
 

bamaEER

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May 29, 2001
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A lot of voters are going to hit the polls with immigration as an important issue, but they are not going to agree with the GOP stance.
Agree. Immigration is a giant bullet in everyone's agenda at this point, but everyone has a different approach to fix it.
 

Airport

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Dec 12, 2001
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If the voters go into the polls thinking environment or economy our next prez will probably be a dem. If the voters go in thinking terrorism or immigration our next prez is probably a rep.

If over 50 % of the voters going to the polls were thinking any at all, color me surprised.
 

Airport

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A lot of voters are going to hit the polls with immigration as an important issue, but they are not going to agree with the GOP stance.

If the majority of people knew what unfettered immigration was doing to wages and govt assistance payments, it would be a no brainer.
 

bornaneer

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Jan 23, 2014
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I didn't see any measure of "success" cited in those polls. Both parties are made up of a lot of different kinds of folks. The data showed that the more educated someone was, the more likely they were to have a lean toward the D's. It also showed that R's held the advantage with the less educated, as well as with older people, white Christians and Mormons. I'm not holding that up to say anything one way or the other about either party. My point is that you shouldn't inject your opinion about the level of success of someone based on party affiliation into the argument. It weakens your point.

BTW, the independents are winning out with all of this political bluster from both sides of the aisle. The point that should be taken from that is that the general election is really up to the people who don't get to pick the 2 major candidates. Whoever tracks toward the middle more convincingly is most likely the winner in the general. I think that's the argument against Trump or Cruz having success. I think it's a solid argument for someone like Kasich or Christie or Rubio or Bush.

Good catch, that was my take based on the fact that the lower incomes were Dems and some could equate income to success. I personally don't take that view but I did for my comment. All the other points are backed up by the poll . As you can see, there is plenty of data to back up almost any agenda.
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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Good catch, that was my take based on the fact that the lower incomes were Dems and some could equate income to success. I personally don't take that view but I did for my comment. All the other points are backed up by the poll . As you can see, there is plenty of data to back up almost any agenda.
They didn't have income in those results either, unless I missed it.
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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You have to drill deeper into the data:

(Explore detailed tables for 2014 here.)
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I looked at the employment stats, and it was odd to me that the dem lean dominated all employment categories (full time, part time, and unemployed). It also struck me as odd that the number of folks falling into those categories was so low (over 25k participants, little over 5k total in those categories). That must mean that this data is aggregate, and that question wasn't always asked. I wonder if there's any bias to those numbers based on that since they are so different than the income level numbers.
 

wvu2007

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-sail-to-win-over-trump/ar-BBnwdK8?li=BBnb7Kz
I've been reading WVPATX's updates on the 2016 race so there must be some mistake regarding this poll.

I'm getting this feeling that Cruz may be in there instead of Trump--way too soon. But if Trump really gets the nomination, then there is no doubt Clinton will toss him like a salad. Of course, that would be the GOP's fault for nominating him in the first place

I think that the primaries will be important and it sounds like Trump will start off on a losing note which will hurt him nationally imo. Trump has already alienated the hispanics/latinos and being an equal opportunity offender, he's got plenty of time to piss off some other groups and lose their votes as well. If he's hasn't peaked yet, he will soon and it's all downhill from there.

Embarrassing!