Poor Player Development

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None of our offensive player outside of TE have really improved during Scott’s tenure. Reason #1 why they fired all but 1 of them
 

Harry Caray

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I didn't realize Greg Bell rushed for 1,000 yards this season at SDSU. I was not impressed with him the year he was here.
 

antirowboat

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It was a problem for years but that problem is getting fixed. You don't need the article OP posted to know development as an issue. The NFL draft numbers told you. Those numbers are starting to increase. This year there could be 4 or more get drafted.
 

pgainey

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It was a problem for years but that problem is getting fixed. You don't need the article OP posted to know development as an issue. The NFL draft numbers told you. Those numbers are starting to increase. This year there could be 4 or more get drafted.
What is one to conclude when the NFL draft picks are going up but the win total is going down?
 

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Do you need that explained to you??????

 

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Interesting article but to me I still think lack of player development has been the biggest problem over the years’.

We obviously have a player development problem. But this article doesn’t show anything to me. We have had all those players transfer out and only 3 of them have had success elsewhere. One of those (Wandale) was successful here. Then there was JD who was good here and didn’t do anything at TCU.
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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There are a lot more issues,player development is just one of the issues. I’m very disappointed in frost guess he spent more time at the boats than paying attention when he was going to college in Lincoln because Tom wouldn’t have tolerated 99% of what Scott has allowed to transpire
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

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When I look back to my time in college, I was taking 4 classes (12 credit hours) per semester, working part time and also spending time for a couple of seasons in Marching Band. Not as cool maybe as football, but it was still fun being a drummer in the band and I recall how little time we actually had to prepare for things during the week, and even at a few practices in the summer before the football season began.

The point to this being, there isn't a whole lot of time that I can remember for practice.. just a little bit here and there, and you might get a little instruction (a few sentences) a week from someone trying to help you.

I can imagine that there is more time spent by the staff for football, but I'm betting it's somewhat similar. There just isn't a whole lot of time to devote to individual and only minimal group instruction.

The one thing that I remember helping was the simple fact that there was always competition, the other guys pushing you to be at your best, so I remember making time at home for extra practice, but looking back, there wasn't a whole lot of development going on by any band staff.. Guessing sports or other activities are similar.
 

redwine65

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we just need a player that can pass if we are gonna run a pass happy offense....
that's the basic problem at hand.
it's like trying to win a war where the weapon you use has no aim, it could go anywhere..
it defeats the whole purpose and becomes a liability.
it's not my enemies designs I'm worried about, it's my own mistakes in war, I most fret about.

once frost addresses this with the transfer portal, full on and head on, things should have a better chance of developing on offense. frost spent 4 years trying to teach someone to pass, who can't pass in a consistent and responsible manner. in other words he spent 4 years trying to teach a run/pass qb how to be a pro style passer.
and that's close to a half decade.

going forth we are not looking for half decade realisations. we don't have time for that.
more wisdom will be needed, so change can happen at a faster rate...
so then you get the right person in there and after 4 years you have a bart star type qb or slingin sammy...
who if leaving the senior year heads to the nfl draft..not ksu...

heck I remember a whole year of wild snaps witnessed before any change took place...
should of been change during the game or directly after on that.
hopefully with these new coaches someone will watch game film and look to match the player with the game plan. and think about maybe developing a depth chart..that way if let's say your kicker is on a downward trajectory, you have a back up to pick up the slack...


now that frost is a ceo, I'd like to see selection in players matching their role, and depth, become more a thing.
I'd like to see NU win some games before I die of old age.
I don't like the dallas cowboys.....I like who is playing them any given weekend, as long as it's not denver, then I'm just indifferent.
but frost needs to get a big chart on the wall, like jerry jones did/does...that tracks all the positions..
1st fills the voids..then secondly builds depth....it's revolutionary stuff...

 
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MOHUSKER

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I see a development and recruiting issue here. There are several 4 star or high 3 star type guys on this list that didn’t perform at NU or their next school. Talent identification has clearly been an issue. The tight end group has been the most productive, beyond that not many producers being recruited or developed. Hopefully that changes.
 

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When I look back to my time in college, I was taking 4 classes (12 credit hours) per semester, working part time and also spending time for a couple of seasons in Marching Band. Not as cool maybe as football, but it was still fun being a drummer in the band and I recall how little time we actually had to prepare for things during the week, and even at a few practices in the summer before the football season began.

The point to this being, there isn't a whole lot of time that I can remember for practice.. just a little bit here and there, and you might get a little instruction (a few sentences) a week from someone trying to help you.

I can imagine that there is more time spent by the staff for football, but I'm betting it's somewhat similar. There just isn't a whole lot of time to devote to individual and only minimal group instruction.

The one thing that I remember helping was the simple fact that there was always competition, the other guys pushing you to be at your best, so I remember making time at home for extra practice, but looking back, there wasn't a whole lot of development going on by any band staff.. Guessing sports or other activities are similar.
What years were you in the band? Before or after they had the big cut in numbers??
 

Husker.Wed._rivals

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I wish Trev would have just cut bait, but I understand there are reasons beyond my paygrade he didn't such as boosters wanting to keep Frost, the obscene buyout and maybe not having anyone lined up. Player development was one of many reasons I wanted a change after this miserable season . The other reasons included poor recruiting, poor evaluation of recruits offered, not using players to help them to succeed, playing favorites, not managing rooms (e.g. running backs), going away from what is working for no apparent reason, bizarre game plans (e.g. Illinois), in game adjustments, halftime adjustments, bad fundamentals, terrible special teams, rarely pointing the thumb, clock management, inability to maintain focus, lax discipline, tolerating mistakes, alienating the league, and having realized after four years Scott Frost isn't a very good head coach.

Will the new assistants help most of the above? Maybe, but they better hurry, they have one year. Our brand is so tarnished that it is sickening. Watching all the other teams play in bowls turned my stomach thinking how low we have sunk.
 

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When I look back to my time in college, I was taking 4 classes (12 credit hours) per semester, working part time and also spending time for a couple of seasons in Marching Band. Not as cool maybe as football, but it was still fun being a drummer in the band and I recall how little time we actually had to prepare for things during the week, and even at a few practices in the summer before the football season began.

The point to this being, there isn't a whole lot of time that I can remember for practice.. just a little bit here and there, and you might get a little instruction (a few sentences) a week from someone trying to help you.

I can imagine that there is more time spent by the staff for football, but I'm betting it's somewhat similar. There just isn't a whole lot of time to devote to individual and only minimal group instruction.

The one thing that I remember helping was the simple fact that there was always competition, the other guys pushing you to be at your best, so I remember making time at home for extra practice, but looking back, there wasn't a whole lot of development going on by any band staff.. Guessing sports or other activities are similar.
I wasn't in band but I did play baseball in college. I've coached at the college and high school level. You did not describe my experience in sports.
 
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When I look back to my time in college, I was taking 4 classes (12 credit hours) per semester, working part time and also spending time for a couple of seasons in Marching Band. Not as cool maybe as football, but it was still fun being a drummer in the band and I recall how little time we actually had to prepare for things during the week, and even at a few practices in the summer before the football season began.

The point to this being, there isn't a whole lot of time that I can remember for practice.. just a little bit here and there, and you might get a little instruction (a few sentences) a week from someone trying to help you.

I can imagine that there is more time spent by the staff for football, but I'm betting it's somewhat similar. There just isn't a whole lot of time to devote to individual and only minimal group instruction.

The one thing that I remember helping was the simple fact that there was always competition, the other guys pushing you to be at your best, so I remember making time at home for extra practice, but looking back, there wasn't a whole lot of development going on by any band staff.. Guessing sports or other activities are similar.
Interesting how it was done pretty well back in the day in Lincoln.

Interesting that it is done pretty well today at other schools but not done well enough to have at least a winning season down in Lincoln.

Sounds like a problem with player development AND a problem with some of the players themselves.
 
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None of our offensive player outside of TE have really improved during Scott’s tenure. Reason #1 why they fired all but 1 of them
I'm sure that will fix the problem. I'm sure the problem wasn't stemming from the top down, Frost should not be blamed for going 1-9 against power 5 teams this year, his 4th year. Watch, you will see things dramatically improve now that Frost is still HC.
 
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Never said Frost wasn’t to blame. I mean, he DID hire them, and let them skate by with little repercussions. It’s the HC’s job to be a CEO. It’s the position coaches that make kids better, by teaching technique. Rarely should a HC have to step in there.
 

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I'm sure that will fix the problem. I'm sure the problem wasn't stemming from the top down, Frost should not be blamed for going 1-9 against power 5 teams this year, his 4th year. Watch, you will see things dramatically improve now that Frost is still HC.

Why start yet another account to post the same old crap? So stupid.
 

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I'm sure that will fix the problem. I'm sure the problem wasn't stemming from the top down, Frost should not be blamed for going 1-9 against power 5 teams this year, his 4th year. Watch, you will see things dramatically improve now that Frost is still HC.
I read this as sarcasm.. and you're probably correct.

This was just an exercise in reducing the buyout and giving a national champion one last chance.

The damage has pretty much been done already.

I really do expect an improvement, a decent size jump up from where we have been next season.

If that doesn't happen, we all know there will be a change.
 

AgntX

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Well since Tom left, most of the coaches hired their buddies instead of going and building a top staff, we shot ourselves in the foot many time with some assistant hirings!