Pope’s defense of Garrison

KFuqua

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I really don't know how a coach can defend his play. A Coach is supposed to criticize his players when they aren't playing hard and missing in game assignment's! Garrison is LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the answer is simple; he doesn't want to throw his players under the bus and lose them forever. What good does it do for Pope to come out and PUBLICLY criticize Garrison? That's a conversation that Pope should be having with Garrison privately.
 

cornbreadnmilk

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I think the answer is simple; he doesn't want to throw his players under the bus and lose them forever. What good does it do for Pope to come out and PUBLICLY criticize Garrison? That's a conversation that Pope should be having with Garrison privately.
I don't think anyone expects Pope to come out and trash a player but also no need to actually come out and praise him when he's not putting out effort.
 

KFuqua

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I don't think anyone expects Pope to come out and trash a player but also no need to actually come out and praise him when he's not putting out effort.
I think that's "coaching him up" in a lot of people's eyes. It builds trust between the coach and his players. I would hope that the conversations that go on out of the public eye are very different from what Pope says in a public forum. Maybe they aren't, but I sure hope they are. Just because fans (me included) want to know everything that goes on, doesn't mean we will, or should.
 

KYFOSSIL

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I will say this, most of you make Garrison the whipping boy before the first moment this year and honestly, the way this team has played there are plenty of people doing at least as bad as he is if not worse. I will agree that Moreno should get the majority of the moment at five. Right now whatever Pope does most of you are gonna get on his *** about it. If he farts, you guys will call the Environmental Protection Agency.
 

FLBBNFAN

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I think the answer is simple; he doesn't want to throw his players under the bus and lose them forever. What good does it do for Pope to come out and PUBLICLY criticize Garrison? That's a conversation that Pope should be having with Garrison privately.
Its one thing to not trash your guy in public but cheerleading the performance of BG at a press conference looks horrible. Nobody is buying that.
 

Forkman

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He isn't the best they've got. Pope referenced his 1.5 points per possession. That's a stat that only measures OFFENSE and doesn't factor in the strength of the opponent. Translation...Garrison has "feasted" offensively against the three crappy teams they've played. And, btw, that doesn't mean Garrison averages 1.5 points per possession, that means the TEAM averages 1.5 points per possession while he's on the court. It's an outdated stat when measuring individual performance. Heavily skewed by his playing with starters and getting fat playing bad teams. Let alone doesn't show a thing about defense.
You're right. Pope was saying he's playing Garrison despite his backup being a better player. I don't know why it wasn't more obvious to me sooner.
 
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yoshukai

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Last year Garrison was crushed for shooting threes. He hasn't shot a single three this year so the goalpost had to be moved.

I'm MUCH more digsusted with all the air balls and threes taken quickly in the shot clock.
Most all of the criticisms directed at Garrison last year were about interior defense , rim protection, and lack of effort from what I remember. Still the same player, still the same issues, and still the same criticisms.
 

20MRoster

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Last year Garrison was crushed for shooting threes. He hasn't shot a single three this year so the goalpost had to be moved.

I'm MUCH more digsusted with all the air balls and threes taken quickly in the shot clock.
THERE HE IS -- I was about to write a reply saying damn Monday Nitro hasn't been in here to gargle Pope's balls yet.

You do you, bro.
 
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Monday Nitro

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Most all of the criticisms directed at Garrison last year were about interior defense , rim protection, and lack of effort from what I remember. Still the same player, still the same issues, and still the same criticisms.
You forgot that he walked too slow, cut his hair wrong and didn't tuck his shirt in right.

The posts about him taking a lot of bad shots were all over the place. I just looked back at comments from last season to confirm.
 

Monday Nitro

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THERE HE IS -- I was about to write a reply saying damn Monday Nitro hasn't been in here to gargle Pope's balls yet.

You do you, bro.
You post like your IQ is under 30. Are you a teenager? Pope hasn't done a good job this year so far. The posts calling for his head, and there are many, are absolutely laughable and ignorant. Ignored.
 

20MRoster

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Pope appears to be a slave to analytics. Analytics obviously have a place but like all goods things in moderation. Pope needs to adapt.

Last coach was a slave to his ideology and wouldn’t change when needed.
I live in NJ -- I don't really have a baseball team that I follow, but obviously I'm exposed to a lot of Yankees fans.

The Yankees are an org driven by analytics, and their analytics tell them that a hitter needs to go for home runs every at bat, and that launch angle is the only important thing when batting.

Results -- they spend $300M+ on payroll, beat up on garbage teams in the regular season to get to the playoffs, and then promptly lose (typically in humiliating fashion). In addition, every hitter they bring through the farm system has a stupid high K rate and is pretty much messed up for life. Aaron Judge started the same way and had to hire his own hitting coach to not become a victim to Yankees analytics. And even then, he still strikes out a lot.

Analytics is a tool, not a solution.
 

chasingwildcat

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Most all of the criticisms directed at Garrison last year were about interior defense , rim protection, and lack of effort from what I remember. Still the same player, still the same issues, and still the same criticisms.
He was pretty good against Duke and Zaga, and helped us win big games

And he has regressed since then

This season he is totally unplayable in big games
 
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yoshukai

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You forgot that he walked too slow, cut his hair wrong and didn't tuck his shirt in right.

The posts about him taking a lot of bad shots were all over the place. I just looked back at comments from last season to confirm.
Well I’ll admit I spent the majority of my time on HOB last year. But three things most everyone complained about last year on that forum were , interior defense, rim protection, and effort. Basketball IQ was also mentioned a lot . He’s still terrible at all 4 of these and his butt needs to be on the bench for as many minutes as Moreno can play.
 

20MRoster

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He was pretty good against Duke and Zaga, and helped us win big games

And he has regressed since then

This season he is totally unplayable in big games
Not surprised. He's individually gifted enough to be a McD AA. But it's the same thing as with Oweh -- and you and I specifically discussed this. There were elite shooters (w/ Amari's passing) spacing the floor, and guys like Oweh and Garrison fed off that. Really, the whole team. Just think of how bad a player like Almonor would be on this year's team, but last year he had his moments of usefulness.

The core of Butler, Brea, Jax, Carr, and Amari was severely underrated. Those guys are all fringe NBA, and Jax + Carr got bad injury luck.
 

Monday Nitro

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Well I’ll admit I spent the majority of my time on HOB last year. But three things most everyone complained about last year on that forum were , interior defense, rim protection, and effort. Basketball IQ was also mentioned a lot . He’s still terrible at all 4 of these and his butt needs to be on the bench for as many minutes as Moreno can play.
I agree that his defense is not good. I have a post from a few weeks that if he's our starting C for this year, this team is going nowhere. I just feel like he's getting kicked while he's down.
 
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yoshukai

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I agree that his defense is not good. I have a post from a few weeks that if he's our starting C for this year, this team is going nowhere. I just feel like he's getting kicked while he's down.
He is . But these guys are millionaires now . It’s what they wanted. Goes with the territory.
 

mash_24

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I’m not worried about what Pope says publicly. But if he can’t see that a change needs to be made there, it’s the same stubbornness that made Cal so bad at the end. I know these coaches make kids promises. But they also should preface that by telling each of them they are going to ultimately they are gonna do what’s best for the team.
 

kyjeff1

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Proves he doesn’t get it.

I’ve tried to support coach Pope from day one. Loved the hire. Guy said all the right things. Won a lot of big games last year (tied for most in school history, in fact). Got farther in the tourney than Cal had in years.

But to come out and praise BG after the debacle this season has been thus far? To call him an analytically efficient player?

If analytics say BG is good for this team, then I’m officially done giving analytics any credibility whatsoever. They are garbage. The kid’s effort sucks, his basketball IQ sucks, his decision making sucks, and his skillset for a guy with his body is mediocre.

I understand a coach not wanting to publicly dog a player, but to heap praise on him the way Pope did today… it makes me realize all the people who pejoratively called him a “girl dad” may have sadly been right. This kid BG needs a knot jerked in his ***, not told how well-conditioned and efficient he is. Really disheartening to read Pope’s quotes today.
Yeah, I saw that press conference today. While I know Pope won’t ever throw a player under the bus, I was less than enthused to hear him praise Garrison like he's a great player.
Pope is extremely intelligent, but he makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't really change to fix them.
He continues to take the blame for bad players and it seems like it's just to avoid losing them. He would rather be their friend than be honest with them and that's just not going to work.
Guess we will find out soon enough, if Garrison continues to get the bulk of the minutes, while being a net - player, we know we're not going anywhere.
It'll be really interesting when JQ starts playing.
 
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Monday Nitro

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It’s not the fans fault that Pope is striking out on recruits. Lmao wow Baller Cal you’re crazy
???? Call me whoever you want if you feel it gives you the upper hand instead of having a civil discussion.

You don't think 18 year old kids look at sports message boards and see toxic stuff?
 

Woodrow24

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Yeah, I saw that press conference today. While I know Pope won’t ever throw a player under the bus, I was less than enthused to hear him praise Garrison like he's a great player.
Pope is extremely intelligent, but he makes a lot of mistakes and doesn't really change to fix them.
He continues to take the blame for bad players and it seems like it's just to avoid losing them. He would rather be their friend than be honest with them and that's just not going to work.
Guess we will find out soon enough, if Garrison continues to get the bulk of the minutes, while being a net - player, we know we're not going anywhere.
It'll be really interesting when JQ starts playing.
I’m hoping he’s more honest and tough with them privately.
 

Woodrow24

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???? Call me whoever you want if you feel it gives you the upper hand instead of having a civil discussion.

You don't think 18 year old kids look at sports message boards and see toxic stuff?
We all remember your former usernames lol I didn’t call you anything but one of the many names you have used and let you know I think you’re crazy for making statements like that. Every team has bad fans, only people that don’t understand sports make it a point to constantly complain about it. I wish people didn’t do stupid stuff on social media but it’s out of our control. I classify guys like you as bad fans to because you irrationally defend the coach even when they are obviously wrong and go crazy for fair criticisms. No coach is perfect, I’m not perfect and you aren’t perfect either. No one’s above criticism.

Chill out and stop taking it personal when someone criticizes our coaches. That’s probably 95 percent of why you’ve been suspended/banned so many times.
 

FilsonCat

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Garrison plays like he is 6'6", never keeps his hands up on defense, and doesn't fight for position on either end. He's got a long way to go to even be a serviceable 5 in the SEC. Moreno plays much bigger and has legit post footwork. The bench needs to be used to motivate Garrison. Pull Potter's redshirt and give him some minutes too.
 

Monday Nitro

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We all remember your former usernames lol I didn’t call you anything but one of the many names you have used and let you know I think you’re crazy for making statements like that. Every team has bad fans, only people that don’t understand sports make it a point to constantly complain about it. I wish people didn’t do stupid stuff on social media but it’s out of our control. I classify guys like you as bad fans to because you irrationally defend the coach even when they are obviously wrong and go crazy for fair criticisms. No coach is perfect, I’m not perfect and you aren’t perfect either. No one’s above criticism.

Chill out and stop taking it personal when someone criticizes our coaches. That’s probably 95 percent of why you’ve been suspended/banned so many times

Let me get this straight. You have no problem with people making up damaging rumors that coaches feel the need to respond but you take issue with baseless rumors being called out. That says a lot about you. You are cool with bad beavior but not with that bad behavior being called out.

PS, I know exactly who you are and I know your other account that just posted under not long ago. I also know some people with the new managment and I can't wait until you use this alias or that other alias to ban me so I can show them the mischief you've enaged in here.
 
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ZaytovenCat

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The worst part about what’s going to happen with Pope (besides the obvious losing) is that he’s going to hurt his legacy here. People won’t be able to separate the player and coach and the fans are going to think of him similar to how we do Cal. The longer this drags out the worse it’ll be too.

I blame Barnhart more than anyone though. He’s the idiot that couldn’t get the job done with the legit candidates so he reached all the way down straight to Pope because he knew he’d accept in a heartbeat. Pope was not even remotely ready for a job like this. Frigging Utah Valley State and BYU are not UK and it’s not like he set the world on fire at his jobs before UK. Hiring a basketball coach at Kentucky who had never even won a tournament game should have gotten Mitch’s *** fired instantly.
 

mcwildcats04

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Mark and those analytics:

 
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Woodrow24

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Let me get this straight. You have no problem with people making up damaging rumors that coaches feel the need to respond but you take issue with baseless rumors being called out. That says a lot about you. You are cool with bad beavior but not with that bad behavior being called out.

PS, I know exactly who you are and I know your other account that just posted under not long ago. I also know some people with the new managment and I can't wait until you use this alias or that other alias to ban me so I can show them the mischief you've enaged in here.
Where did I say I had no problem with that? Lol And the new management will definitely see how immature and crazy you are like the other one did because you’ve been name calling and arguing with people all over the board. Myself and few others will be sure to let them know how many times you’ve been banned in the past. You’re not fooling anyone
 

beastmaster

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He is not Pitino and never will be. Pitino is one of a kind. Pope will never coach like Pitino
I wouldn't have minded UK bring Rick back and that way when he retired in a few years they could have seen how Pope did at BYU. I thought it was too soon to hire him without more data.