Pope does develop players...

LakeLifeCat

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I'm afraid to post this but here goes. I keep reading on here from people that Pope doesn't develop players. I disagree, and here are 4 examples that we have evidence for just in his 2 seasons at UK:

1. Otega Oweh. Pope took Oweh from an 11.4-point, 1.0-assist player at Oklahoma who wasn't a consensus NBA draft pick and developed him into an 18.6-point, 4.8-rebound, 2.7-assist All-SEC player who averaged 21.1 PPG in SEC games and had14 games of 20+ points IN SEC PLAY in 2025–26 (the most of anyone in the entire SEC)... who then became the 41st pick in NBA draft.

2. Amari Williams. Went from the CAA to SEC and somehow improved from 7.8 to 8.5 rebounds and 1.9 to 3.2 assists per game while shooting a career-best 56.1%. Pope turned him into a point center—his 115 assists were the most ever by a 7-footer at Kentucky—and after Kentucky, he was drafted No. 46. Pope expanded the offensive skill that made him much more interesting to the NBA: playmaking
Under Pope, Amari became only the second SEC player ever to record 375+ points, 300+ rebounds, 100+ assists, 40+ blocks and 20+ steals in a season and the first Division I player ever to do it in under 1,000 minutes....!

3. Koby Brea. Pope took Brea from an elite but mostly catch-and-shoot specialist at Dayton and expanded his game which ultimately led to him getting drafted. His two-point attempts jumped from 45 to 99 and his free-throw attempts from 16 to 35, while he still shot 43.5% from three. He then also became the 41st pick in the NBA draft.

4. Malachi Moreno. Pope took Malachi Moreno, roughly the No. 25 ish recruit in his class, and in one freshman season developed him into an All-SEC Freshman who led Kentucky in rebounding, blocks and FG%, averaging 7.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.5 blocks. He became a great playmaker. He could have stayed in the NBA draft but instead he decided to come back to Kentucky with ESPN already viewing him as a potential 2027 first-round pick. If NIL wasn't a thing, Moreno would be in the NBA right now.
 

Dead Cat Bounce

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For me, the best argument for Pope's development may be Aberdeen, a two guard who by the last third of last season was playing very respectably at the point. Long story short, I agree that Pope can develop players. Unfortunately, there are some counterexamples, but it's difficult to say from the outside looking in how much of the blame should fall on Pope, the players, or just the nature of athletic development.
 

PooPooPeePeePoo

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This isn’t the university of development. Cool. He had players improve, every coach at every school has had guys improve. Pope doesn’t magically give them basketball powers. Players improve because they work on their craft. This is UK, we strive for SEC championships, Elite 8s, Final 4s and Championships.
 
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This isn’t the university of development. Cool. He had players improve, every coach at every school has had guys improve. Pope doesn’t magically give them basketball powers. Players improve because they work on their craft. This is UK, we strive for SEC championships, Elite 8s, Final 4s and Championships.
So is he not allowed to discuss one particular subject without encountering off topic arguments such as this? Acting like coaches play no role in the development of players is absurd.
 
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UKCowboys

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So is he not allowed to discuss one particular subject without encountering off topic arguments such as this? Acting like coaches play no role in the development of players is absurd.
I will never understand the level of hate for the man. Any positive comment about him, even if justified, is met with some ridiculous negative spin
 

K_TIME

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Offensively he can, I just wish he could do it defensively lol.
That is the overlooked problem with Pope.....his teams just don't play defense hard on a consistent bassis.


- Oweh should have been a plus defensive asset.....he spent last year tryiing to be an offensive star while his defense was 'meh'. Outside of some steals here/there...he could nto lock down top notch wings. Oweh got cooked vs Tennessee, Bama, Arkansas, etc...

- Kam Williams, Chandler, Moreno, Garrison, etc....has he shown in 2 years he can find a player with a defensive identity?
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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Not nothing, just not a lot lol
This. It’s weird how some posters immediately go to “hate” and “negative” when discussing what Pope has been his first two years. Does he develop and improve players? Of course. If he didn’t he’d have 26 wins instead of 26 losses in his first two seasons. But he’s got to develop enough to where it’s not so obvious who he has developed. Meaning? OP listed 4 players. Of the 25ish that played here the first two years. That’s cause for concern. But the real tell is what does a second or third year player look like under Pope. Safe to say that has been a problem. Hopefully that gets better.
 

BlueBomb

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Well, Pope has yet to win to Kentucky standards. Until he does, there will be negativity and plenty of it. That's fair, as far as I'm concerned.

When Cal was winning big, we overlooked his personality quirks and evasive press conference answers, etc. When he started to lose, we bashed him for those things. We didn't even notice he constantly yelled "GO" when he was winning. He started losing, and it bugged the hell out of us.

Winning is the only thing that cures the ills.
 

UKBB4Ever

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I'm afraid to post this but here goes. I keep reading on here from people that Pope doesn't develop players. I disagree, and here are 4 examples that we have evidence for just in his 2 seasons at UK:

1. Otega Oweh. Pope took Oweh from an 11.4-point, 1.0-assist player at Oklahoma who wasn't a consensus NBA draft pick and developed him into an 18.6-point, 4.8-rebound, 2.7-assist All-SEC player who averaged 21.1 PPG in SEC games and had14 games of 20+ points IN SEC PLAY in 2025–26 (the most of anyone in the entire SEC)... who then became the 41st pick in NBA draft.

2. Amari Williams. Went from the CAA to SEC and somehow improved from 7.8 to 8.5 rebounds and 1.9 to 3.2 assists per game while shooting a career-best 56.1%. Pope turned him into a point center—his 115 assists were the most ever by a 7-footer at Kentucky—and after Kentucky, he was drafted No. 46. Pope expanded the offensive skill that made him much more interesting to the NBA: playmaking
Under Pope, Amari became only the second SEC player ever to record 375+ points, 300+ rebounds, 100+ assists, 40+ blocks and 20+ steals in a season and the first Division I player ever to do it in under 1,000 minutes....!

3. Koby Brea. Pope took Brea from an elite but mostly catch-and-shoot specialist at Dayton and expanded his game which ultimately led to him getting drafted. His two-point attempts jumped from 45 to 99 and his free-throw attempts from 16 to 35, while he still shot 43.5% from three. He then also became the 41st pick in the NBA draft.

4. Malachi Moreno. Pope took Malachi Moreno, roughly the No. 25 ish recruit in his class, and in one freshman season developed him into an All-SEC Freshman who led Kentucky in rebounding, blocks and FG%, averaging 7.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.5 blocks. He became a great playmaker. He could have stayed in the NBA draft but instead he decided to come back to Kentucky with ESPN already viewing him as a potential 2027 first-round pick. If NIL wasn't a thing, Moreno would be in the NBA right now.
I'll play. What skill did any of those players leave with that they didn't have before playing for Pope? Of course they got older and more mature and maybe stronger? Although strength and conditioning are not hallmarks of a Pope team.

And you left off the development of JJ, Noah, Perry, etc.

A player is far more likely to get worse playing for Mark Pope than better. There's 11 seasons of imperial evidence.
 

SenseMaker_Cats

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I'll play. What skill did any of those players leave with that they didn't have before playing for Pope? Of course they got older and more mature and maybe stronger? Although strength and conditioning are not hallmarks of a Pope team.

And you left off the development of JJ, Noah, Perry, etc.

A player is far more likely to get worse playing for Mark Pope than better. There's 11 seasons of imperial evidence.
You watched the progression of all his players from BYU and Utah Valley? Pretty amazing.

I realize there are a few on here that are no longer UK fans and are now fans of “I have to be right”. When that happens it makes you post some really stupid stuff.

Last year sucked. I think we can all agree on that but who the HELL was he supposed to develop on the first team of veterans he threw together? I’ve always doubted if UKBBNever is even a UK fan.

There are a ton of folks on here that can’t stand Pope but you can tell they’re just pissed off about where we stand right now and I absolutely get that but I can also tell they’re actually UK fans. UKBBNever is just annoying.
 
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I'll play. What skill did any of those players leave with that they didn't have before playing for Pope? Of course they got older and more mature and maybe stronger? Although strength and conditioning are not hallmarks of a Pope team.

And you left off the development of JJ, Noah, Perry, etc.

A player is far more likely to get worse playing for Mark Pope than better. There's 11 seasons of imperial evidence.
Ugh, I wish Pope would build an empire at UK for 11 seasons. That's all we fans really ask of him.
 
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