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JackShephard

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I don't think y'all will like what I came up with, but when you do the whole league, it isn't difficult to see a scenario in which we get Alabama and Ole Miss gets Vanderbilt.

teamopponent 1opponent 2opponent 3
AlabamaAuburnTennesseeMississippi State
ArkansasLSUMississippi StateTexas
AuburnAlabamaGeorgiaFlorida
FloridaGeorgiaSouth CarolinaAuburn
GeorgiaFloridaAuburnSouth Carolina
KentuckyMissouriTennesseeVanderbilt
LSUArkansasOle MissTexas A&M
Mississippi StateOle MissArkansasAlabama
MissouriOklahomaTexas A&MKentucky
OklahomaMissouriTexasOle Miss
Ole MissMississippi StateLSUOklahoma
South CarolinaGeorgiaFloridaVanderbilt
TennesseeVanderbiltAlabamaKentucky
TexasTexas A&MOklahomaArkansas
Texas A&MTexasMissouriLSU
VanderbiltTennesseeKentuckySouth Carolina

What changes would you make? You have to consider the knock-on effects of moving one matchup.

I think my weakest prediction is Missouri playing both Texas schools every year. But if I try to fix it and screws everything else up.

ETA: I found a way to not have Missouri play both Texas schools every year. Oklahoma and Ole Miss would play ever year, which doesn't feel natural, but it makes everything else work.

Compared to my first pass, I like that the former Big XII schools aren't just playing each other. There's some cross-pollination (LSU/A&M, for example).
I think this is pretty good, but I can't see how Florida/TN isn't one of the permanents.
 

DT4248

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I think this is pretty good, but I can't see how Florida/TN isn't one of the permanents.
Florida is at best 4th on Tenn's list and Tenn is not their #1.

Half of Bama, all of UK, and all of Vandy would say Tenn is their #1. Tenn would say Bama is their #1.
 

TheBannerM

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How I would divide it up:


State - OM, Bama, LSU
ESPN would veto that sh*t. The whole point of SEC expansion was to bring in more marquee games to bring in more eyeballs for TV broadcasts. LSU-State and Bama-State ain't it.
 

hatfieldms

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It won’t be Bama or Kentucky. They’re not gong to suddenly move 2 teams we don’t play in 24-25 to permanent status. If so they would have been in the 24-25 schedules.
I doubt they are making their decisions off of who we played in 24-25
 

OG Goat Holder

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It literally has everything to do with it. They knew what the 9-game rotation would look like 2 years ago. 24 & 25 are the 1st two years of that rotation with one rotating team dropped to get 8 games instead 9. Kind of the whole idea behind permanent opponents is that you play them every year & don’t skip 2 years.
Eh, I think you're giving them too much credit. All they did was find a way to keep 8 teams and bring in Texas and Oklahoma. We know that because they did a pretty bad job of it. Should have went to 9 in the beginning.

I also don't think for a second they wanted to go to 9 games when that schedule was finalized. They were trying hard to stay at 8.
 

OG Goat Holder

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If TV folks are in charge, which it’s established they are, I don’t see how Bama’s permanents aren’t AUB, TEN & LSU. Those games draw huge numbers.
They'll still get every matchup twice every four years. It's not like we're going back to the old system.
 

patdog

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They'll still get every matchup twice every four years. It's not like we're going back to the old system.
You just don’t get it. Twice every 4 years is NOT acceptable for those games. They will be played every year. All 3 of them.
 

OG Goat Holder

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TexasTexas A&MOklahomaMissouri
Texas A&MTexasLSUOklahoma
OklahomaArkansasTexasTexas A&M
MissouriArkansasAuburnTexas
ArkansasMissouriOklahomaLSU
LSUTexas A&MOle MissArkansas
Ole MissMississippi StateLSUVanderbilt
Mississippi StateOle MissKentuckyAlabama
KentuckyFloridaMississippi StateSouth Carolina
VanderbiltTennesseeSouth CarolinaOle Miss
TennesseeVanderbiltAlabamaFlorida
AlabamaAuburnTennesseeMississippi State
AuburnAlabamaGeorgiaMissouri
GeorgiaSouth CarolinaAuburnFlorida
South CarolinaGeorgiaVanderbiltKentucky
FloridaKentuckyGeorgiaTennessee


That's my best guess. Texas A&M gets the biggest screwjob, but they are used to it.
 
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not sure if it has been mentioned in the thread or not, but it was said yday that they determine by a 10 year average of winning %....there will be a top 8 and a bottom 8....bottom 8 get 2 from the bottom and 1 from the top and vice versa for the top 8.
we will most likely get Ole Miss, Ky, and our top be either Bama, aTm, or LSU.
 

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not sure if it has been mentioned in the thread or not, but it was said yday that they determine by a 10 year average of winning %....there will be a top 8 and a bottom 8....bottom 8 get 2 from the bottom and 1 from the top and vice versa for the top 8.
we will most likely get Ole Miss, Ky, and our top be either Bama, aTm, or LSU.
Yeah, I was not aware of that when I made my picks, but I've heard that several places. However, I've heard that it is based on budget, not wins.
 
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patdog

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I'm not sure why people are saying Arkansas. There is no tie there. They will get a couple of the old Big 12 schools (A&M, Texas, OK and Mizzou) and maybe LSU. All make more sense. As would Ole Miss for that matter. They played them regularly before Ark joining the conference.
There’s as much or more tie to Arkansas then to any of the other realistic candidates other then Mississippi. And they were never in the Big 12, so no ties to Okie or Mizzou.
 

QuaoarsKing

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What do all 16 SEC fanbases have in common, judging by message boards and social media?

They all 16 think the SEC office hates them and is going to screw them over in selecting the permanent opponents.
 

OG Goat Holder

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You just don’t get it. Twice every 4 years is NOT acceptable for those games. They will be played every year. All 3 of them.
I don't think it matters. They'll be plenty of good games. Plus Alabama and LSU (and the like) will likely lobby NOT to play each other, behind closed doors.
 

Faustdog

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There’s as much or more tie to Arkansas then to any of the other realistic candidates other then Mississippi. And they were never in the Big 12, so no ties to Okie or Mizzou.
This is just not true. Arkansas has played Texas A&M 80 times. They have played Texas 77 times. They have played Ole Miss 71 times. They have played LSU 70 times and have a trophy. Geographically Mizzou and Oklahoma are closer to Arkansas than anyone else.

We have played Arkansas 35 times, half as many as any of those schools.

We make no sense for them.

I was mistaken in which teams had been in the old Big 8, Southwest Big 12, and when. It doesn't change the fact that there are at least five schools and maybe more with much stronger ties to Arkansas.
 

OG Goat Holder

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This is just not true. Arkansas has played Texas A&M 80 times. They have played Texas 77 times. They have played Ole Miss 71 times. They have played LSU 70 times and have a trophy. Geographically Mizzou and Oklahoma are closer to Arkansas than anyone else.

We have played Arkansas 35 times, half as many as any of those schools.

We make no sense for them.

I was mistaken in which teams had been in the old Big 8, Southwest Big 12, and when. It doesn't change the fact that there are at least five schools and maybe more with much stronger ties to Arkansas.
Agree.

I think (1) rivalries, (2) geography, and (3) balancing out the traditional powers and non-powers, will be the determining factors, not TV matchups. TV got what they wanted when they got 9 games. The good games are going to naturally happen regardless, I mean it's the friggin' SEC.
 
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HailStout

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Agree.

I think (1) rivalries, (2) geography, and (3) balancing out the traditional powers and non-powers, will be the determining factors, not TV matchups. TV got what they wanted when they got 9 games. The good games are going to naturally happen regardless, I mean it's the friggin' SEC.
Then I suspect it’s ole miss, KY (for some reason the SEC has decided this is a rivalry) and bama. That takes care of the geography and gives bama one of the lower tier schools to balance out the other two
 

patdog

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This is just not true. Arkansas has played Texas A&M 80 times. They have played Texas 77 times. They have played Ole Miss 71 times. They have played LSU 70 times and have a trophy. Geographically Mizzou and Oklahoma are closer to Arkansas than anyone else.

We have played Arkansas 35 times, half as many as any of those schools.

We make no sense for them.

I was mistaken in which teams had been in the old Big 8, Southwest Big 12, and when. It doesn't change the fact that there are at least five schools and maybe more with much stronger ties to Arkansas.
Arkansas will continue to play Texas & Mississippi. They won’t play Mizzou or Okie. They won’t play A&M because that would be 2 top tier teams for them. They have more ties to us than to Mizzou or Okie.
 

patdog

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Then I suspect it’s ole miss, KY (for some reason the SEC has decided this is a rivalry) and bama. That takes care of the geography and gives bama one of the lower tier schools to balance out the other two
Bamas lower tier school wasTennessee. But if Tennessee has moved up to top tier, guess who moves down? Auburn. So Bsma had 2 top & 1 bottom tier team either way.
 

QuaoarsKing

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I don't think it matters. They'll be plenty of good games. Plus Alabama and LSU (and the like) will likely lobby NOT to play each other, behind closed doors.
Alabama-LSU has been the highest rated rivalry game over the last 10(?) years in all of college football. I am very confident that the networks insisted that be a permanent annual game as part of the TV package.

Money is the reason the SEC expanded to 16 in the first place.
 
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patdog

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Then I suspect it’s ole miss, KY (for some reason the SEC has decided this is a rivalry) and bama. That takes care of the geography and gives bama one of the lower tier schools to balance out the other two
Bottom line for us is we really only have 1 rival. Anything else is just filling out a schedule.
 
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QuaoarsKing

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Bamas lower tier school wasTennessee. But if Tennessee has moved up to top tier, guess who moves down? Auburn. So Bsma had 2 top & 1 bottom tier team either way.
Auburn can't really move down unless they give up playing Alabama or Georgia every year.

It could be Oklahoma and Tennessee swapping, but it really all fits together best with Tennessee in the lower tier. We can re-examine the tiers once Florida State and North Carolina join.
 
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If they filled it out with my personal hate rankings it would be OM, Auburn and Tennessee/Bama. More than likely OM, Kentucky and Bama/TAMU.
 

patdog

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Auburn can't really move down unless they give up playing Alabama or Georgia every year.

It could be Oklahoma and Tennessee swapping, but it really all fits together best with Tennessee in the lower tier. We can re-examine the tiers once Florida State and North Carolina join.
I agree. I don’t think they’re reexamining anything. Tennessee will stay 2nd tier because that’s what they were when this was done 2 years ago. The SEC knows this is only for 4-8 years before they expand again, like you say.
 

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Many people (including me) predict Arkansas will be one of our permanent opponents, but I've heard from people at Ole Miss that Arkansas will be one of their three. Seems unlikely that two of Arkansas' three permanent opponents will be from Mississippi.
 

patdog

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Many people (including me) predict Arkansas will be one of our permanent opponents, but I've heard from people at Ole Miss that Arkansas will be one of their three. Seems unlikely that two of Arkansas' three permanent opponents will be from Mississippi.
Arkansas permanent will be &tate, UMiss & either Texas or A&M, probably Texas.
 

Barkman Turner Overdrive

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I think we get get the confederates, Kentucky, and Auburn.

Auburn will want Bama and Georgia, and they will need to be thrown a bone. We should ask politely if we can be that bone.
You mean to say that you are not terrified of Auburn and their nine national championships?**

If we get any combination of three out of Northern Miss, UK, aTm, Arkansas, or Auburn, we should throw a Second Line Parade. With the exception of adding Vandy, that is as good as we can possibly expect.
 
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QuaoarsKing

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Many people (including me) predict Arkansas will be one of our permanent opponents, but I've heard from people at Ole Miss that Arkansas will be one of their three. Seems unlikely that two of Arkansas' three permanent opponents will be from Mississippi.
I predict Arkansas gets Ole Miss, Missouri, and Texas. Ole Miss gets LSU, Arkansas, and us. And we get Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Texas A&M.

But we'll see. I could be wrong.
 

patdog

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I predict Arkansas gets Ole Miss, Missouri, and Texas. Ole Miss gets LSU, Arkansas, and us. And we get Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Texas A&M.

But we'll see. I could be wrong.
You could be right. UMiss 100% sure. A&M 75% sure. I think #3 is 75% Ark or 25% UK.