President Trump has successfully created an alternate reality

bamaEER

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Americans live in two realities when it comes to the Russia investigation. On one side is the intelligence community, and on the other side is a Republican Party that very much believes President Trump's alternative facts. Including, apparently, that Trump's offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. A new CBS poll shows three in four Republicans believe it's at least “somewhat likely” that Trump's offices were wiretapped or under some kind of surveillance during the campaign. While 35 percent believe it's “very likely,” 39 percent say it's “somewhat likely.” About half (49 percent) of independents also say it's at least “somewhat likely.”

Trump contended in a series of tweets a few weeks back that Trump Tower had been wiretapped and that none other than President Obama was behind it. But even Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman under fire for being too friendly with the White House, has said that assertion is incorrect. Nunes has said that “there was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That did not happen.” He has also said, “Clearly, the president was wrong.”

Nunes, of course, then claimed last week that there is evidence that Trump and his associates' communications were swept up in what is known as “incidental collection.” As I've noted, though, that doesn't mean Trump was actually targeted by the surveillance. Nonetheless, this led Trump to assert partial vindication.

For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

So what we have here is another situation in which Trump makes an evidence-free claim, the White House moves the goal posts to suggest he was saying something less severe than he actually said, and eventually enough reasonable doubt emerges for partisans to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Which is par for the course. The Trump-Russia saga has already proven that Republicans are very much willing to take Trump's word for it rather than believe the intelligence community — and, by extension, the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-alternate-reality/?utm_term=.35a9fa40d64f
 
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Americans live in two realities when it comes to the Russia investigation. On one side is the intelligence community, and on the other side is a Republican Party that very much believes President Trump's alternative facts. Including, apparently, that Trump's offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. A new CBS poll shows three in four Republicans believe it's at least “somewhat likely” that Trump's offices were wiretapped or under some kind of surveillance during the campaign. While 35 percent believe it's “very likely,” 39 percent say it's “somewhat likely.” About half (49 percent) of independents also say it's at least “somewhat likely.”

Trump contended in a series of tweets a few weeks back that Trump Tower had been wiretapped and that none other than President Obama was behind it. But even Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman under fire for being too friendly with the White House, has said that assertion is incorrect. Nunes has said that “there was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That did not happen.” He has also said, “Clearly, the president was wrong.”

Nunes, of course, then claimed last week that there is evidence that Trump and his associates' communications were swept up in what is known as “incidental collection.” As I've noted, though, that doesn't mean Trump was actually targeted by the surveillance. Nonetheless, this led Trump to assert partial vindication.

For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

So what we have here is another situation in which Trump makes an evidence-free claim, the White House moves the goal posts to suggest he was saying something less severe than he actually said, and eventually enough reasonable doubt emerges for partisans to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Which is par for the course. The Trump-Russia saga has already proven that Republicans are very much willing to take Trump's word for it rather than believe the intelligence community — and, by extension, the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-alternate-reality/?utm_term=.35a9fa40d64f
Some people think that snake oil will really cure what ails you.
 

bamaEER

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F'uck Nunes. He is a POS. The Senate is conducting their own investigation. Nunes has already lost all credibility.
But see that's exactly what Biff does. He creates a parallel, alternate tale to feed to his minions while he's disparaging the real story. I bet this is on page 1 of 'The Art of the Deal'. In this case Nunes is right and everyone else is wrong.
 
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Boomboom521

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Americans live in two realities when it comes to the Russia investigation. On one side is the intelligence community, and on the other side is a Republican Party that very much believes President Trump's alternative facts. Including, apparently, that Trump's offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. A new CBS poll shows three in four Republicans believe it's at least “somewhat likely” that Trump's offices were wiretapped or under some kind of surveillance during the campaign. While 35 percent believe it's “very likely,” 39 percent say it's “somewhat likely.” About half (49 percent) of independents also say it's at least “somewhat likely.”

Trump contended in a series of tweets a few weeks back that Trump Tower had been wiretapped and that none other than President Obama was behind it. But even Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman under fire for being too friendly with the White House, has said that assertion is incorrect. Nunes has said that “there was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That did not happen.” He has also said, “Clearly, the president was wrong.”

Nunes, of course, then claimed last week that there is evidence that Trump and his associates' communications were swept up in what is known as “incidental collection.” As I've noted, though, that doesn't mean Trump was actually targeted by the surveillance. Nonetheless, this led Trump to assert partial vindication.

For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

So what we have here is another situation in which Trump makes an evidence-free claim, the White House moves the goal posts to suggest he was saying something less severe than he actually said, and eventually enough reasonable doubt emerges for partisans to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Which is par for the course. The Trump-Russia saga has already proven that Republicans are very much willing to take Trump's word for it rather than believe the intelligence community — and, by extension, the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-alternate-reality/?utm_term=.35a9fa40d64f
Trump and his team have been strategically great since Bannon came aboard. From the "fake news" narrative to the EO showcase, his followers are allowing him to fail on the political football field but yet still claiming he is winning. By "doing" what he said he'd do....he is keeping that "not a politician" label that the mob eats up. #Draintheswamp is still the assumption amongst his followers (because dat dar richie don't need no more money), even though he has appointed former executives who have flooded the swamp for years through corporate lobbying funds.

Militarily, he has already made mistakes that Obama would be crucified for.....although I give him a break on them due to his enormous lack of experience.....the loyal trumpy troop doesn't seem to notice or care. He just simply says, "were doing great" and everyone assumes we are...now that a real man is in charge.....with a man nicknamed "mad dog" his second.

The DOW spikes, and the sheep sing his praises, it drops just as aggressively and no one seems to notice. Manufacturing jobs created - Trump's a genius, but retail jobs die - no one cares. The lie of the man being a business genius has been effective for decades though...it's an old con.

And although the man still conducts himself without the respect and decorum that we should demand of a President publicly (even when they are raging sex addicts and angry, heavy drinkers behind the scenes), people don't seem to care. Almost every tweet is an example of how NOT to be to our youth, but Trumps followers enjoy him being uncouth, and childish. They mistake it for transparency....something the man is VERY MUCH NOT (tax returns anyone?).

Then there is his leadership, or lack there of. His ultimatums to GOP lawmakers on the healthcare bill that attempted to stretch the oval's power into another branch only succeeded at revealing his inept ability to "deal" on the hill. Pointing fingers is always what a good leader does right? EO after EO, but very little done through the traditional channels. The right were outraged by Obama's attempts to circumvent Congress, but Trump is glorified for it and praised as a real leader.

But either due to enormous skill in knowing the voting public or the enormous resentment they feel, the trumpy trumpeters march on....the media is dismissed, and Spicer (FOX news and Breitbart) become the only path the truth in the land. Russia is brushed off (as well as every patriotic American Democrat that loves our nation as much as anyone else) as simple lies.....because Trump says so.

I'm amazed.
 

Popeer

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Then there is his leadership, or lack there of. His ultimatums to GOP lawmakers on the healthcare bill that attempted to stretch the oval's power into another branch only succeeded at revealing his inept ability to "deal" on the hill. Pointing fingers is always what a good leader does right?
Priebus scolded conservative Republicans, explaining that Pres. Trump had felt “disappointed” that a “number of people he thought were loyal to him that weren’t.”

Loyal to ... HIM. Think about it. It's all about him. Not the country, not their constituents, not even the GOP. HIM. And we're not supposed to think of him as a wannabe dictator.
 

bamaEER

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Priebus scolded conservative Republicans, explaining that Pres. Trump had felt “disappointed” that a “number of people he thought were loyal to him that weren’t.”

Loyal to ... HIM. Think about it. It's all about him. Not the country, not their constituents, not even the GOP. HIM. And we're not supposed to think of him as a wannabe dictator.
His ego is and always will be front and center in everything he does. Sooner or later Biff will learn from bitter-pill lessons he's getting from the Freedom Caucus and others that this really isn't about him.
 

atlkvb

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From the "fake news" narrative to the EO showcase, his followers are allowing him to fail on the political football field but yet still claiming he is winning

So much hypocrisy in one post, so little time to respond to it all but because this poster always claims only the Right is partisan and non objective I have to weigh in pointing it out.

"EOs" derided by the Left from Trump undoing Obama's abuse of them where they were praised. Isn't that one rich?

The Left whines and complains as Trump devolves Washington's power with each new "EO" yet insists he's ineffective. They don't even know what he's not doing that's got them so upset?

By "doing" what he said he'd do....he is keeping that "not a politician" label that the mob eats up.

He keeps his promises to his voters and the Left calls him a politician. Again the richness of this is just too juicy to overlook.

(because dat dar richie don't need no more money), even though he has appointed former executives who have flooded the swamp for years through corporate lobbying funds.

Elitist arrogance, class envy, and denial all in one sentence. Just who were the biggest campaign donors to Hillary and the Dems last election cycle? Wall street investment bankers. But Trump's the "rich guy in the pocket of the wealthy class"?

Militarily, he has already made mistakes that Obama would be crucified for.

Obama crucifies himself with Military ineptness Trump is addressing, yet Trump's responsible for our sorry state of readiness and complete lack of an effective deterrence to Foreign aggressors. Cue the "Twilight Zone" theme music.

although I give him a break on them due to his enormous lack of experience

While all praise and homage was due to our experienced Five-Star Military Commander-in-Chief who solved all world conflict with his simple presence standing in the fake Greek columns and drawing imaginary "red lines". We're safe now...all War is over!

He just simply says, "were doing great" and everyone assumes we are

The Left insists "he's failing" in the same week Consumer confidence report shows best posting in over a decade. Ford announces billions in new investments in USA, energy stocks are poised for biggest year in decades, and GDP is expected to run well over 2.5% for the year....biggest output in over a decade. Yup, sure looks like failure to me compared to the last 8 years.

The DOW spikes, and the sheep sing his praises,

The labor participation rate reached all time highs under Obama and the Left celebrated it as our "new normal". More Americans on food stamps in history under Obama....success personified by Statists.

it drops just as aggressively and no one seems to notice.

Record highs achieved almost daily since November...it was only because of Obama. Market "corrections" before higher new plateaus are hit yet again....Trump's causing a crash.

Manufacturing jobs created - Trump's a genius, but retail jobs die - no one cares

Manufacturing jobs left the country in record numbers under Obama...progress toward a "global economy"...Retail announces expectations of record future growth...more hiring anticipated than in decades...Obama's the one who set it up and Trump's just trying to steal credit for it.

The lie of the man being a business genius has been effective for decades though...it's an old con.

No he's not a Billionaire. The Man who ran up our highest budget deficits in history is the real money manager, don't you know?

And although the man still conducts himself without the respect and decorum that we should demand of a President publicly (even when they are raging sex addicts and angry, heavy drinkers behind the scenes), people don't seem to care

Isn't this special? the Left demanding "morals" from our leaders. The same crowd that lectures us about "my body my choice" and "keep your morality to yourself" and celebrates promiscuity among same sex people in front of Children--and then teaches them how to roll condoms over Cucumbers all of a sudden is upset with sexual perversion? My my....tisk...tisk...

Almost every tweet is an example of how NOT to be to our youth, but Trumps followers enjoy him being uncouth, and childish. They mistake it for transparency.

Again, so much richness here it's too much to steal. This lecture about morals and decorum from the crowd that every day defines deviancy down and gets violently angry if anyone calls it out as such! Now they want a President with "decorum"?

Then there is his leadership, or lack there of.

While the example of the past 8 years is celebrated? Real "bridge builder" across the isles that Obama was...yup...bridge to nowhere.

His ultimatums to GOP lawmakers on the healthcare bill that attempted to stretch the oval's power into another branch only succeeded at revealing his inept ability to "deal" on the hill.

Really? After the way the ACA was drilled into legislation with a 100,000 psi 'jack hammer' in which NO amendments were even allowed to be voted on by the full Congress? Efforts to repeal it were routinely hit with veto threats before they even made it out of committee? It's not a tax to pass it, but it suddenly is a tax to defend in the Supreme Court? We have to pass it first before we can find out what's in it?

Suuuuure.

Pointing fingers is always what a good leader does right? EO after EO, but very little done through the traditional channels.

He learned from the Master. Barrack Huessein "EO"bama. who always consulted with the minority opposition party to craft bi-partisan legislation...and blamed his lack of support from the "other" party for his own legislative failures.

The right were outraged by Obama's attempts to circumvent Congress, but Trump is glorified for it and praised as a real leader.

See above post
 
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atlkvb

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For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

This is false negative. Nunes has not said Trump's offices were not under surveillance...in fact it's quite the opposite. We do not know why they were under surveillance, and who ordered it?

There was an ongoing investigation into Trump's possible, alleged collusion with Russians and so far nothing has surfaced to prove that. However in the course of that investigation, Nunes has indicated there was extra curricular surveillance of Trump associates, and the reason for that surveillance has not been established yet, but the actual surveillance has most certainly been proven.

How do we know this? Because individuals and their conversations collected as a result of that surveillance were unmasked, and details about their activity were illegally released (leaked) to the media. Speculation is it (leaking) was done to harm Trump, but we have yet to establish that also.

But the last statement in the OP's WaPo/CBS analysis is simply not true, and rather than them (CBS or other media) trying to get to the bottom of who ordered Trump's surveillance and who leaked that illegally collected information, they're trying to prove none of it actually happened.

Lying with the Truth.
 
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Airport

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Americans live in two realities when it comes to the Russia investigation. On one side is the intelligence community, and on the other side is a Republican Party that very much believes President Trump's alternative facts. Including, apparently, that Trump's offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. A new CBS poll shows three in four Republicans believe it's at least “somewhat likely” that Trump's offices were wiretapped or under some kind of surveillance during the campaign. While 35 percent believe it's “very likely,” 39 percent say it's “somewhat likely.” About half (49 percent) of independents also say it's at least “somewhat likely.”

Trump contended in a series of tweets a few weeks back that Trump Tower had been wiretapped and that none other than President Obama was behind it. But even Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman under fire for being too friendly with the White House, has said that assertion is incorrect. Nunes has said that “there was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That did not happen.” He has also said, “Clearly, the president was wrong.”

Nunes, of course, then claimed last week that there is evidence that Trump and his associates' communications were swept up in what is known as “incidental collection.” As I've noted, though, that doesn't mean Trump was actually targeted by the surveillance. Nonetheless, this led Trump to assert partial vindication.

For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

So what we have here is another situation in which Trump makes an evidence-free claim, the White House moves the goal posts to suggest he was saying something less severe than he actually said, and eventually enough reasonable doubt emerges for partisans to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Which is par for the course. The Trump-Russia saga has already proven that Republicans are very much willing to take Trump's word for it rather than believe the intelligence community — and, by extension, the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-alternate-reality/?utm_term=.35a9fa40d64f
 

Airport

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Americans live in two realities when it comes to the Russia investigation. On one side is the intelligence community, and on the other side is a Republican Party that very much believes President Trump's alternative facts. Including, apparently, that Trump's offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. A new CBS poll shows three in four Republicans believe it's at least “somewhat likely” that Trump's offices were wiretapped or under some kind of surveillance during the campaign. While 35 percent believe it's “very likely,” 39 percent say it's “somewhat likely.” About half (49 percent) of independents also say it's at least “somewhat likely.”

Trump contended in a series of tweets a few weeks back that Trump Tower had been wiretapped and that none other than President Obama was behind it. But even Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman under fire for being too friendly with the White House, has said that assertion is incorrect. Nunes has said that “there was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That did not happen.” He has also said, “Clearly, the president was wrong.”

Nunes, of course, then claimed last week that there is evidence that Trump and his associates' communications were swept up in what is known as “incidental collection.” As I've noted, though, that doesn't mean Trump was actually targeted by the surveillance. Nonetheless, this led Trump to assert partial vindication.

For the record, here's the question CBS asked: “How likely do you think it is that Donald Trump’s offices were wiretapped, or under government surveillance during the 2016 presidential campaign?” Strictly speaking, even Nunes has acknowledged Trump's offices were not under surveillance.

So what we have here is another situation in which Trump makes an evidence-free claim, the White House moves the goal posts to suggest he was saying something less severe than he actually said, and eventually enough reasonable doubt emerges for partisans to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Which is par for the course. The Trump-Russia saga has already proven that Republicans are very much willing to take Trump's word for it rather than believe the intelligence community — and, by extension, the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-alternate-reality/?utm_term=.35a9fa40d64f