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Yeah remember when Southern Miss was really good and our game with them was called the Black & Blue game from all the hard hitting defense.
My reference was to U of L athletics from which Satterfield would still be drawing a $300K monthly paycheck.
You're right, no one else was beating a drum to keep him here...
My only up close encounter with Southern Miss fans was the year we finally beat them for the very 1st time in Hattiesburg at The Rock on 11/4/2000.
At home games I am typically on the opposite side of the field from visitors.
They were the nicest bunch I had ever met inviting us to tailgate with them before and even after the game.
They gave us a great restaurant recommendation for Mississippi catfish, I recall too! It's been a while since I've been down that way. Hmmmm.
They were not kind in my experience after "Mills Kills". Could have just been a bad batch though.
All the more reason to celebrate Josh Heirdās master plan of not extending his contract, which for all intents and purposes - nudged him out the door and into UCās unsuspecting hands. And they paid UofL for the privilege - which Iām sure has been - or will be - a data point in one of your super important graphs!
All the more reason to celebrate Josh Heirdās master plan of not extending his contract, which for all intents and purposes - nudged him out the door and into UCās unsuspecting hands. And they paid UofL for the privilege - which Iām sure has been - or will be - a data point in one of your super important graphs!
That's the horse **** that I'm fine stepping around while waiting for you (and others) to start blaming Heird for this men's basketball debacle. How soon does that start?...
If you were an honest broker about any of these situations, I would remind you that the atmosphere surrounding the Payne hiring was unlike almost any other.
The guy received the āhighest recommendationā from both of the HC where he worked in both college and, the NBA. Throw into the mix all of the Crum era personnel, other assorted alumni connected with the program and some of the cityās movers and shakers all making it known that they felt that the former UofL star was the right choice.
But of course, youāre not an honest broker, so all of that logic is wasted on you.
That said, Heird is IMO on the clock with respects to Payne. If he shows dramatic improvement this year, then give him a third. If itās more of the same, he needs to be nudged out the door like satterfield was.
What is going to constitute marked improvement 12 wins, 20 wins, etc.? I want us to be back in the top 5, but he has set the bar pretty low.
What are we waiting for?
We should already know what it is.
Also, what is his conviction?...to not rock the boat & keep collecting a paycheck?
What boat did you want rocked? Fall sports are going pretty fāing well in case you havenāt been paying attention. Bball is a mess and Iād expect him to handle that.
Of course, you answer my question with another question. I'm not playing that game. You made a statement and I'm asking.....
What is his conviction?
What are we waiting for on vision. Great leaders layout their plan so EVERYONE knows which way to go. Is he taking a poll to figure it out?
Actually - You made a statement about Heirdās leadership and ability and I asked you on what basis you stake that claim?
Is it just your opinion? Intuition? Something else?
What is his vision for athletics? Shouldn't we know by now. He's been here long enough.
To me it seems like it's "OK" is good enough.....Not far off from his statement about scheduling. He's just meh and not fighting hard enough for #1 (UofL).
He'd rather get along than take a stand.
He will never win back former active boosters if this is all they see & get.
Seriously, really donāt know what stand you want him to take. Are you really that upset that we donāt have a permanent rival?
āHeād rather get along than take a standā. What a perfect comment to explain why things are so Fāed up these days.
Taking a stand for the sake of taking a stand is, in a word - stupid. And immature. And in many cases - unproductive. The reality is - you have literally no idea how hard he fought.
None.
Would you have felt better if Heird would have come out hard after the fact against the ACC and criticized their decisions? After you were done feeling good - do you think that would have changed anything?
Allowing myself nothing more than speculation, I mostly agree with your assessment of Heird, at least on the subject of Payne. Truth be told, I don't know him nearly well enough to trust my own speculation.
It's also my opinion that Heird in all likelihood had little to do with the hiring of Brohm or Payne, and he shouldn't get all the blame or credit for either coach. But I'm determined to hold people's feet the fire over Payne if they want to credit Heird for Brohm being here. It cuts both ways...
The buck has to stop somewhere and that should be with the guy in charge....good or bad.
āIām determined to inject some negativity into any discussion where positivity is expressed.ā
The satterfield / Payne situations are currently completely different. If Heird allows Payne to continue to be employed if the results donāt improve dramatically, then criticism would be warranted.
You don't hear a fraction of the Payne negativity from me--and what should rightfully be the fallout for Heird--that you hear from the average basketball fan in this space. That assumes you're not engaging in selective hearing...
Is the Dr. Pepper commercial ringing any bells right now?
You know the one where the law officer reminds all those melting down that its only the first play of the first game that has motivated their meltdown behavior and attitudes? I LoL everytime I see that commercial.
Especially the guy that after hearing this realizes that he just set all his prized stuff on fire only 1 minute before the guy reminds all of them about what is what. Are their any similarities here? Asking for a friend.
You know the one where the law officer reminds all those melting down that its only the first play of the first game that has motivated their meltdown behavior and attitudes? I LoL everytime I see that commercial.
Especially the guy that after hearing this realizes that he just set all his prized stuff on fire only 1 minute before the guy reminds all of them about what is what. Are their any similarities here? Asking for a friend.
Ummm, I hear plenty of negativity and criticism of the current state of the menās basketball program from this space, as well as in ordinary conversations. What I donāt hear - thus far - is anyone (save you) laying the blame at Heirdās feet.
Nor should they - especially when given the nearly universal call (from those who get listened to) for Payneās hiring. Now, should Heird let the situation linger in mediocrity or worse? Then itās on him.
I donāt remember your strong stance against Jurich when he hired and retained kragthorpe despite abysmal results. Or, when he continued to retain pitino despite his many instances of embarrassing UofL. Perhaps your scrutiny is selective?
That's because you weren't paying attention. Why would I not hold Jurich accountable for K-rag when Jurich blamed himself?
In one thread tonite, I already said that I don't really hold a greenhorn AD accountable for hiring Payne--as long as no one is also trying to give Heird credit for any part of Brohm being here.
An AD-in-training didn't manage either hire IMO. But I'll have the debate in its entirety either way...
I donāt believe you and, it has nothing to do with paying attention. Feel free to provide the links to said criticism if you wish to prove me wrong. Until then, itās just revisionist nonsense.
Strong accusation there with no backup BP, other than your axe to grind.
I prefer to trust in positive intentions. If I didnt believe it, it would be ME (or you in this case) finding evidence, not the other way around before accusing anyone.
.Saturday was a great day. For me personally it was all about that firm handling of Duke, a media darling who got completely shut down by that energetic defense in the 502!
I don't take any satisfaction in Cincy's baptism to the B12 but it can't be denied they are off to a pile of dog **** start there, and in sports it's never easy to turn it around once a HC loses a fanbase. I'm not rooting against the former UofL HC but he's not doing much to make anyone miss him if they are a UofL fan. Combine that with JB already putting 2 real nice wins into the holster in year one, and it feels goooood.
Where was this UofL team predicted to finish in the ACC? Was it 8th? Let's see if these guys can keep proving the haters wrong.
GO CARDS!
I don't take any satisfaction in Cincy's baptism to the B12 but it can't be denied they are off to a pile of dog **** start there, and in sports it's never easy to turn it around once a HC loses a fanbase. I'm not rooting against the former UofL HC but he's not doing much to make anyone miss him if they are a UofL fan. Combine that with JB already putting 2 real nice wins into the holster in year one, and it feels goooood.
Where was this UofL team predicted to finish in the ACC? Was it 8th? Let's see if these guys can keep proving the haters wrong.
GO CARDS!
Are there any other Coach of the Year candidates out there that were predicted to be in the bottom half of their league, but could actually be in the Championship game?
Keep up the great work Cards! I'll keep enjoying the ride along the way that's for sure.
Strong accusations with no backup - only an axe to grind sounds familiar. Iāll take the ole zipper for $1000 Alex!
You stick with your belief in positive intentions - I prefer to judge a situation by the tangible evidence.
Believing me doesn't matter in this instance. I can hold Jurich accountable for K-rag--which I do--whether or not he held himself accountable.
Jurich was the best AD in the land, but he wasn't God. K-rag was one of his few, costly mistakes. And I hope it's therapeutic for you reading that...
For some reason, he too often needs to hear certain words come outta my mouth...
Correction - I (like most) prefer to hear no words come out of your mouth.
Please and thank you.
University administrators are judged not only by who they hire but who they fire. Miles Brant as IU president fired the most popular coach in Indiana and went on to a job with the NCAA. Tom didnāt fire Rick and went on to not being a top college sports administrator or university employee. Simple as.
As for me, if they fire Josh, Iāll flip my sports harder sign over and paint ā We Want Joshā on it. Then march around the campus until itās time to go get a Heineken and some wings at Spring Street.
As for me, if they fire Josh, Iāll flip my sports harder sign over and paint ā We Want Joshā on it. Then march around the campus until itās time to go get a Heineken and some wings at Spring Street.