Pretty telling that Stricklin hasn't tweeted since about 3pm yesterday
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Honestly, does anyone think Stricklin has the guts to pull the trigger
And fire Dan if he goes 5-7? It would absolutely be the correct move and having personally held short conversations with Stricklin a couple of times compared with the times I spoke with Greg Byrne, I just dont see it. Hope I'm wrong. Greg Byrne would never have apologize for scheduling a game against a quality opponent. This is just one example of weak statements made by who I blunty see as a ***** AD
And fire Dan if he goes 5-7? It would absolutely be the correct move and having personally held short conversations with Stricklin a couple of times compared with the times I spoke with Greg Byrne, I just dont see it. Hope I'm wrong. Greg Byrne would never have apologize for scheduling a game against a quality opponent. This is just one example of weak statements made by who I blunty see as a ***** AD
Not a chance
There was going to be zero chance of Dan losing after this season without the team losing out beginning last night and the players entirely quitting on him. The situation is not good, but it's not where it would have to be in order to Scott to even consider firing him this year.
There was going to be zero chance of Dan losing after this season without the team losing out beginning last night and the players entirely quitting on him. The situation is not good, but it's not where it would have to be in order to Scott to even consider firing him this year.
Stricklin doesn't get to make head football coaching decisions. But, yes, he will make the call when the boosters tell him to make the call -- or he will be gone right along with Mullen.
This needs to happen.
Bracky
Scheduling losses
Bracky
Scheduling the best possible recipe for 35,000 attending on Thursday night during fall break vs the worst team in the SEC East.
Bracky
Letting the SEC's best Audio/Video system produce the SEC's worst in-stadium atmosphere
Bracky
So looking at our head coach and football program and the way we have played dating back to the Bama game last year, going 5-7 this year with 2 of those wins being very weak, does not warrant the firing of a head coach making a top 25 salary?? My o my you must love mediocrity
Why do you say this?
There were rumblings for Hudspeth from the highest orders of our booster structure after the finish to last year. And then Stricklin made a schedule that basically set Mullen up to fail.
We're last in the SEC in recruiting. And we're damn near full. We're on probation. The 2 teams we've consistently beaten(OM and Kentucky) are mopping the floor with us in recruiting. Coaching sucks. Not only does it suck -- but it's become laxidasical. We're making the same mistakes in year 5 that were made in year 1. And the best part of our team(punting) just got totally mind17ed last night.
When it is "time", it's time. There has been consistently clear regression since 2010 that is only hidden by the joke of a schedule we had last year. And not having it totally bottomed out YET doesn't mean it's not time to make a change.
Are we a better team right now than we were in 2009 with Tyson Lee? Truthfully -- we aren't.
His buyout is $1.4mil. We've got $75mil invested in a stadium($69mil owed) that we are expecting to produce $10mil/yr additional revenue -- that we WILL NOT FILL on our current path.
The better question is -- can we afford to keep him?
I dont get the hate against scheduling OSU. The thursday night ******** needs to stop, but OSU is a team that we should have beat or gone down to the wire with. They would battle for the 6th spot in the SEC this year and that may be generous
Ok..I was just wondering because I was listening to someone on Bulldog Radio the other day that was saying something like we could'nt afford to fire him or something..I think it was Matthew(Anti-State)Stevens.
So Stricklin took responsibility for the loss, because he scheduled too hard a team for our coach instead of scheduling Grambling and hoping they forfeit. That's ******** and I can't imagine another SEC AD doing that. But it is the Miss. State mentality.
This brings me to another point regarding Dan and boosters. It is my understanding that Dan does not establish good relationships with the boosters. In fact, I have heard of Dan meeting and introducing himself several times to some big boosters and forgetting their names. I have also heard that people who have made a lot of dedication and sacrifice to the Mississippi State football program for years are virtually ignored by Dan. My example of this is the Columbus Orthopedic doctors who have helped our team for many years. I have heard that Dan has not said Thank you or gone out of his way to appreciate them one time. Does anyone have any positive stories about Dan and his relationships with boosters? I have not heard one.
Hey, like I said in the previous comment, I'm not arguing whether he should be fired. Quite frankly, if he trots Bell back out onto the field for our next field goal attempt, I'm going to be ready to pull the trigger then. The question was about whether Stricklin would fire him, though. Make fun of it all you want, but feel that there was not going to be any scenario short of an absolute 3-9 implosion that would push Strick to fire him after this season. He'll get a chance to right the ship next year unless he shows up for his annual performance review and pretty much tells Scott to just +give him his buyout and let him walk.
Correct. I owe you and may others an apology on this. You were right -- I was wrong. You saw it -- and acknowledged it -- way before I did.
I changed my mind on Mullen in weeks 1 and 3 this year -- and took another month to be 100% sure I wasn't being an overly emotional roller coaster fan before taking a stance.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt through the collapse last year -- and the lack of OL holding us back in 2011. When nothing had been fixed this year -- after the problems couldn't have possibly been made any more obvious to us at the end of last year -- I finally lost faith. There is simply NO ONE worse at the end of games than he is. And we will never beat a team with superior talent under him again -- without them just giving us the game.
I think what I was holding onto more than Mullen -- was the momentum we'd built as a team, program, and fanbase. I LOVED the new "air" in Davis Wade in 2009, 2010, 2011. I felt it leaving last year -- and was fighting to keep it alive -- while our coach has fought to kill it. Now, I've come to terms with the fact that it's gone and there is no logical way we ever recapture it under this regime.
But with a HC change -- especially with Hud and a likely immediate boost in recruiting -- we recapture "it" before the spring game.
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It's funny how quickly you've flipped on Mullen, but what's funnier is that now that you've "seen the light," you act like anyone who disagrees with you (i.e. anyone who still agrees with your prior opinion of Mullen, but not your current one) IS an OBVIOUS idiot who has DISREGARDED all the incontrovertible STATISTICS showing that HUD is the ONLY logical choice for head coach and he MUST be HIRED right NOW and ANYONE who can't SEE that is part of the PROBLEM. Do you ever tire of acting like whatever opinion you happen to hold today is the only one that could possibly be right and any other opinion is ludicrous?
Well - there goes a constructive argument
I was getting a lot from reading this thread, and - like Engie was doing - have been trying to give Mullen the benefit of the doubt. I'm still not on the "fire Mullen" train, but that 2009-2011 feeling is gone. Watching the end of that ball game last night reminded me of 2005.
Then, Arloguthrie does just like a woman and makes this a personal issue between him and Engie. My wife does the same move. I'll be mad about football or something, and she'll make it into a me and her thing.
On second thought - are we married? If so tell me right now and I'll never come on this board and post anything ever again I swear and I didn't mean anything else I've posted to this point. I'll be in the living room folding clothes.
I was getting a lot from reading this thread, and - like Engie was doing - have been trying to give Mullen the benefit of the doubt. I'm still not on the "fire Mullen" train, but that 2009-2011 feeling is gone. Watching the end of that ball game last night reminded me of 2005.
Then, Arloguthrie does just like a woman and makes this a personal issue between him and Engie. My wife does the same move. I'll be mad about football or something, and she'll make it into a me and her thing.
On second thought - are we married? If so tell me right now and I'll never come on this board and post anything ever again I swear and I didn't mean anything else I've posted to this point. I'll be in the living room folding clothes.
I was merely pointing out that for someone who has admittedly just come around to a new way of thinking regarding Mullen, he sure does belittle those who hold the same opinion he held not long ago. I don't see where I got personal. And stop pissing all over the seat.
Where did I do any of the sort in this thread? Feel free to point it out to me.
Otherwise, when, exactly, did I piss your cheerios? And why have you become obsessed with me -- while, for the 3rd or 4th time in a row, bringing off topic ******** to what had been a pretty constructive thread? It's like you are literally archiving everything I post in order to hold onto the possibility that I might be proven wrong in the future so you can throw it back in my face.
Guess what -- I'm wrong all the time. Not too proud to admit it -- and apologize -- when I am -- as I did here -- directly before you came in in condescending jackass mode. Wait -- that's what you just accused me of -- is it not? Nevermind that I don't bother bringing up stuff that I'm right about -- because I don't care. It's just an opinion.
It's like the void left by coach34 is just driving you douchebags insane -- and you are just dying for someone to fill it. Sorry. Based on the previous paragraph, I do not fit your model. Role declined. I do appreciate the empowerment -- and all of your continued reading -- though.
+1 for the archive!!1!1
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Can't do it.
All this talk about Mullen being fired is waaaay too soon. We can't fire him, even if he needs to be fired. We would look like idiots. To go from Jackies last few years to 5 yrs of Croom on top of our overall history, to a coach who has taken us to 3 straight bowls, a 9 win season, decent recruiting, etc. The media would hammer us. No other coach would want to come here. They would look at the challenge combined with "unreasonable" expectations and take a pass. The biggest thing we can offer potential coaches is control and resonable expectations (relative to the pressure cookers at the big programs). I know we have expectations of winning, but they need to be within reason.
We as fans may can get down in the weeds and see a negative trend on offense, defense, game day decisions, personnel decisions, etc.
What the media/potential coaches will see is 3-8, 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, 3-9, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8, Followed by: 5-7, 9-4, 7-6, 8-5, 6-6? and then fired.
We have to let it play out. Have no choice.
By the way, I'm not off the Mullen wagon just yet. I'm still appreciative of the winning. The expectations we have now are due to Mullen. In the past we would've expected to lose to UK.
Oh yeah, I don't see all the hatred for Stricklin either. Other than a questionable hire for BB coach, which may well turn out good. Jury's still out on that. Granted he's not as "cool" as the ninja, but I don't think we should get rid of a guy because he's nerdier than the last guy. I think he's doing a good job. Seems like he tries to stay engaged with the avg joe fans, aggressive marketing, stadium expansion, football facility, etc. If Mullen continues to shat the bed, remember he's a product of the Ninja, not Stricklin.
Disclaimer before all the stupid comments come in: I'm not Stricklin, Mullen, Mullen's mom, wife, yard boy, or dog, so don't ask.
All this talk about Mullen being fired is waaaay too soon. We can't fire him, even if he needs to be fired. We would look like idiots. To go from Jackies last few years to 5 yrs of Croom on top of our overall history, to a coach who has taken us to 3 straight bowls, a 9 win season, decent recruiting, etc. The media would hammer us. No other coach would want to come here. They would look at the challenge combined with "unreasonable" expectations and take a pass. The biggest thing we can offer potential coaches is control and resonable expectations (relative to the pressure cookers at the big programs). I know we have expectations of winning, but they need to be within reason.
We as fans may can get down in the weeds and see a negative trend on offense, defense, game day decisions, personnel decisions, etc.
What the media/potential coaches will see is 3-8, 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, 3-9, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8, Followed by: 5-7, 9-4, 7-6, 8-5, 6-6? and then fired.
We have to let it play out. Have no choice.
By the way, I'm not off the Mullen wagon just yet. I'm still appreciative of the winning. The expectations we have now are due to Mullen. In the past we would've expected to lose to UK.
Oh yeah, I don't see all the hatred for Stricklin either. Other than a questionable hire for BB coach, which may well turn out good. Jury's still out on that. Granted he's not as "cool" as the ninja, but I don't think we should get rid of a guy because he's nerdier than the last guy. I think he's doing a good job. Seems like he tries to stay engaged with the avg joe fans, aggressive marketing, stadium expansion, football facility, etc. If Mullen continues to shat the bed, remember he's a product of the Ninja, not Stricklin.
Disclaimer before all the stupid comments come in: I'm not Stricklin, Mullen, Mullen's mom, wife, yard boy, or dog, so don't ask.
We are not going 6-6 this year IMO. If we do, I agree -- you have to keep him.
You obviously don't fire him unless you've essentially got a postdated contract already in hand from Hudspeth or someone on the same tier.
The media slaughtering us is better than being forgotten -- as we currently are IMO. Did they slaughter NC State last year? I honestly don't remember it if they did...
You obviously don't fire him unless you've essentially got a postdated contract already in hand from Hudspeth or someone on the same tier.
The media slaughtering us is better than being forgotten -- as we currently are IMO. Did they slaughter NC State last year? I honestly don't remember it if they did...
We won't have to worry about finding a coach that will take the job if we make sure Hudspeth is on board before firing Hunch.
Interesting. According to FOIA master and troll extraordinaire, Kyle Veazey, the buyout is 6 Million.
Not really. If I remember correctly they were expecting better results with less up and downs. He was good for an upset a year but bad losses to teams they should beat hurt. Also, they had a decline in ticket sales for the previous few years and the athletic director who fired him was not the one who hired him. There was a dispute between the AD and O'Brian about the future of the program and how to proceed and recruiting. She came in in 2010 and O'Brian was the 7th coach fired by her, I think. She is a very aggressive AD. I'm not sure they will get "Alabama" type results that she is wanting but she's pushing. She also had a volatile relationship with Maryland basketball coach Gary Williams when she was AD there.
Edit. Also meant to mention that although Doeren was hired quick he was not already on board prior to O'Brian's firing. The insiders had Franklin (because of their prior working relationship at Maryland) as the one coming on board. Chad Morris the Clemson OC, Butch Jones and Sonny Dykes were the others talked about initially. Now how close to the top of the list Doeren was? Don't know, but not the first initially. They eventually had to diffuse the situation once Franklin said no.
Should we do it now? Don't think it's reasonable to make that call yet. After about five more games we will have a better picture. Will it be a mistake? The way I see it, if we go down this path the next coach for one had better be onboard before the firing and he has to be noticeably better on a larger scale or they will fail quick. And if they don't progress really quick then the downturn will suck a lot of life out of this program. Then the next coaching search will be very very difficult. It's would be a very aggressive move especially for this league. Even if that coach is not bad he has to be very good or it will appear to be a bad move on our part.
Edit. Also meant to mention that although Doeren was hired quick he was not already on board prior to O'Brian's firing. The insiders had Franklin (because of their prior working relationship at Maryland) as the one coming on board. Chad Morris the Clemson OC, Butch Jones and Sonny Dykes were the others talked about initially. Now how close to the top of the list Doeren was? Don't know, but not the first initially. They eventually had to diffuse the situation once Franklin said no.
Should we do it now? Don't think it's reasonable to make that call yet. After about five more games we will have a better picture. Will it be a mistake? The way I see it, if we go down this path the next coach for one had better be onboard before the firing and he has to be noticeably better on a larger scale or they will fail quick. And if they don't progress really quick then the downturn will suck a lot of life out of this program. Then the next coaching search will be very very difficult. It's would be a very aggressive move especially for this league. Even if that coach is not bad he has to be very good or it will appear to be a bad move on our part.
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Not picking on you Mitt..after all I voted for you. However. this argument
that nobody else would want the job if we fire him.
Are you people on crack?
$3M in MS, coaching in the SEC??
Which competitive coach is not going to want that?
that nobody else would want the job if we fire him.
Are you people on crack?
$3M in MS, coaching in the SEC??
Which competitive coach is not going to want that?
That's the only way I see it happening. Or at least the only way it should happen if Mullen is let go.
If we have a search, I will be highly disappointed.
If we have a search, I will be highly disappointed.
Yep. If we have a search, we will likely all end up disappointed. As for my stance on Mullen, I am ready for him to be shown the door, but I would MUCH rather have Mullen than the Wake Forest Tight Ends Coach as our head coach...if you get what I'm saying.
A stricklin coaching search scares me far more than a 10 year contract extension for Mullen would.
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