previously discussed, but beating the drum once again

[Just another PSU Fan]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

 

[tullfan68]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

point record def possible and probable this yr and next!

 

[Still in State Colllege]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

For me it is champs. I want that for the team. It is always great to see kids get their dreams fulfilled.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

Team greatness? Points record first, next a new record for champs, lastly Points record plus ten AAs and or 6+ National champs. It's going to be hard not to hit a new points record with 6+ national title winners.

 

[IoffendwithTruth1]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

Honestly, I would rather see more finalists. When we had 5 champs in 2017 and 2022. When they took the photo of the champions those years, I asked my dad "why are those other guys in our team photo?"

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Honestly, I would rather see more finalists. When we had 5 champs in 2017 and 2022. When they took the photo of the champions those years, I asked my dad "why are those other guys in our team photo?"

I see a crazy possibility of nine champs, very unlikely I know but I think 6 is possible, maybe more. I'm no wrestling math savant, but I'm guessing if we have 6-8 champs we will have a new scoring record based on the talent and likely finishes of the other guys.

 

[IoffendwithTruth1]

I see a crazy possibility of nine champs, very unlikely I know but I think 6 is possible, maybe more. I'm no wrestling math savant, but I'm guessing if we have 6-8 champs we will have a new scoring record based on the talent and likely finishes of the other guys.

It is hard to fathom that we could make a legitimate argument for 8 champs. My mind is currently trying to comprehend that as well. Crazy times, just enjoy what we have right now.

 

[Ilivewithcancer]

I am hoping that they finish so strong that the National Duals will be now viewed with the appropriate skepticism they deserve. If you want to be the champ you have to be the champ. The match last week at the BJC rendered Ohio Mistakes Championship Banner to nothing more than a participation trophy. This team, it’s coaches and all the kids that put in the work that have such a high level of achievement are truly a blessing.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

It is hard to fathom that we could make a legitimate argument for 8 champs. My mind is currently trying to comprehend that as well. Crazy times, just enjoy what we have right now.

In my lunatic fan scenario I see Cole making a run. I know it's far fetched but seeing him at the post match press conference made me think he really believes in himself. 125,133,149,165,174,184, and 197 are solid possibilities and as of now undefeated in regular season matches. I know Luke lost one to his teammate. Then Duke losing that close one? We can realistically have 8 which boggles my mind.

 

[BriantheLion]

In my lunatic fan scenario I see Cole making a run. I know it's far fetched but seeing him at the post match press conference made me think he really believes in himself. 125,133,149,165,174,184, and 197 are solid possibilities and as of now undefeated in regular season matches. I know Luke lost one to his teammate. Then Duke losing that close one? We can realistically have 8 which boggles my mind.

It is hard to fathom that we could make a legitimate argument for 8 champs. My mind is currently trying to comprehend that as well. Crazy times, just enjoy what we have right now.

3-4 near locks… 4-5 more with as good a chance as anyone… and then maybe catch some lightning in a bottle…!

 

[AgSurfer]

It is hard to fathom that we could make a legitimate argument for 8 champs. My mind is currently trying to comprehend that as well. Crazy times, just enjoy what we have right now.

Well by now it's common knowledge that if 8 of them don't do something, we're doomed!

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I posted this in another thread late last night after Flo's newest rankings came out:

Flo just came out with their newest rankings tonight. In the team race Penn State leads Ohio State 160 to 95.5 without bonus points included.

125-- Luke #1
133-- Marcus #2
141-- Braeden #13
149-- SVN #1
157-- PJ #4
165-- MM #1
174-- Levi #1
184-- Rocco #1
197-- Barr #1
285-- Cole #5

Here is my guess for bonus points for the NCAA tournament:

Mitchell-- 7+
Barr-- 6+
Levi-- 5+
SVN-- 3.5+
Luke-- 3.5+
Duke-- 4.5+
Blaze-- 3.5+
Welsh-- 2.5+
Davis-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)
Mirasola-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)

**42.5 total**

That would come out to basically a best case scenario of 202.5 team points. Since Penn State has six wrestlers at #1 and one at #2, placement points-wise we are nearly maxed out for those seven weights. I am fairly confident PJ will place higher than #4 and it wouldn't surprise me to see Braeden AA. It is hard for me to gauge where Cole is in relation to his #5 ranking, but any placement between 4-8 seems reasonable. Time will tell, but the NCAA team score record of 177.5 (corrected for today's team scoring criteria) in 1992 by Iowa and Penn State's 177 points last season looks to definitely be in jeopardy.

Edit: As a hypothetical based upon their current rankings, Braeden placing #8 would add four points, PJ placing #2 would add 3.5 points and Cole placing #4 would add 2.5 points for a total of ten additional team points.

 

[El_Jefe]

In my lunatic fan scenario I see Cole making a run. I know it's far fetched but seeing him at the post match press conference made me think he really believes in himself. 125,133,149,165,174,184, and 197 are solid possibilities and as of now undefeated in regular season matches. I know Luke lost one to his teammate. Then Duke losing that close one? We can realistically have 8 which boggles my mind.

I can see Mirasola making the national semis depending on his draw. Bastida and Trumble might be too much, but after them ...

Doesn't mean he will, but it's not inconceivable.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Any idea the real O/U for PSU champs is right now. I would think despite the current rankings maybe 4.5? Honestly I could see an argument for 5.5 but even so that's other worldly.

Going all the way against elite guys you haven't felt before is incredibly hard. If we haven't already delivered 5 champs, most would think that is close to unattainable.

Last year is a great example. IMO both Luke and Kasak were the best at their weight class and it didn't happen. One small mistake or a less than perfect weight cut and the margin for error is breached for the favorite.

Maybe just maybe this team could/will deliver 6 but there is a reason why no team has ever achieved that milestone despite several decade-long dominating dynasties.

7, 8, 9 champs??? Que up the Will Farrell dart in the neck video here

PS - sometimes I love it when I am wrong!

 

[Dren007]

May end up with more champs next year. Exit Levi enter Mr Kasak. All of the younger guys will have a full year under their belt. But as someone has already said let's enjoy this group and the progress they continue to make.

 

[IoffendwithTruth1]

Well by now it's common knowledge that if 8 of them don't do something, we're doomed!

Lol, yep, it will be a let down year.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

I can see Mirasola making the national semis depending on his draw. Bastida and Trumble might be too much, but after them ...

Doesn't mean he will, but it's not inconceivable.

Agreed, he's on an upswing and I'm liking his attitude.

 

[PSUbluTX]

I posted this in another thread late last night after Flo's newest rankings came out:

Flo just came out with their newest rankings tonight. In the team race Penn State leads Ohio State 160 to 95.5 without bonus points included.

125-- Luke #1
133-- Marcus #2
141-- Braeden #13
149-- SVN #1
157-- PJ #4
165-- MM #1
174-- Levi #1
184-- Rocco #1
197-- Barr #1
285-- Cole #5

Here is my guess for bonus points for the NCAA tournament:

Mitchell-- 7+
Barr-- 6+
Levi-- 5+
SVN-- 3.5+
Luke-- 3.5+
Duke-- 4.5+
Blaze-- 3.5+
Welsh-- 2.5+
Davis-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)
Mirasola-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)

**42.5 total**

That would come out to basically a best case scenario of 202.5 team points. Since Penn State has six wrestlers at #1 and one at #2, placement points-wise we are nearly maxed out for those seven weights. I am fairly confident PJ will place higher than #4 and it wouldn't surprise me to see Braeden AA. It is hard for me to gauge where Cole is in relation to his #5 ranking, but any placement between 4-8 seems reasonable. Time will tell, but the NCAA team score record of 177.5 (corrected for today's team scoring criteria) in 1992 by Iowa and Penn State's 177 points last season looks to definitely be in jeopardy.

Edit: As a hypothetical based upon their current rankings, Braeden placing #8 would add four points, PJ placing #2 would add 3.5 points and Cole placing #4 would add 2.5 points for a total of ten additional team points.

Just a few short seasons ago you would’ve been heckled off this board for such an over the top homer suggestion.

Crazy to see what can happen when you combine a GOAT + a plan.

 

[Jason1743]

May end up with more champs next year. Exit Levi enter Mr Kasak. All of the younger guys will have a full year under their belt. But as someone has already said let's enjoy this group and the progress they continue to make.

Don't forget Ono. Don't know which weight he will compete at, but he is a World Champ who is red shirting. Would have to think he is at least in the NC conversation next year.

 

[Nitlion1986]

I am hoping that they finish so strong that the National Duals will be now viewed with the appropriate skepticism they deserve. If you want to be the champ you have to be the champ. The match last week at the BJC rendered Ohio Mistakes Championship Banner to nothing more than a participation trophy. This team, it’s coaches and all the kids that put in the work that have such a high level of achievement are truly a blessing.

Just an opinion, but which sounds more prestigious?
Big10 Dual Champion
Or
National Dual Invite Champion?

 

[pawrstlersinpa]

the latest Flo rankings show PSU with 160 team points based on rankings ... no adjustment for bonus points. I'm still on my soap box that the best team ever will include 10 AAs, not just the point total. 141 Davis being the only wrestler outside of the podium based on 2/16 rankings.

Will this squad go above the 2025 version with 10 AAs and a new team point record? What's more satisfying to everyone else? Having 6 champs ? Saturday night with 7 or more finalists?

sun, coffee, while filling the skies with a plume of smoke from a My Father Judge has my mind racing

Porque no los dos everything?

 

[Potterlion]

Personally, I'd really like to see 10 All Americans again. I'm soft-hearted and would hate for the one or two guys if PSU only ended up with 8 or with 9. I'd rather see 10 AAs with no points record than to see 8 or 9 AAs WITH the points record.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

If PSU has 7 or more finalists or 6 champs, the points record takes care of itself. So I think the 6 champs would be most satisfying.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Just an opinion, but which sounds more prestigious?
Big10 Dual Champion
Or
National Dual Invite Tournament Champion?

fify

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Just an opinion, but which sounds more prestigious?
Big10 Dual Champion
Or
National Dual Invite Champion?

Neither. The answer is obviously the Afton Quadrangular!

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5179819-wesley-wes-wesley-returns

 

[Random4598375]

For me it is champs. I want that for the team. It is always great to see kids get their dreams fulfilled.

Yeah, this, especially seeing the kids win it the first time. We have a ton of potential first timers this year. Lilledahl, Blaze, SVN, Duke, Welsh, & Barr all have a great chance to win their first this year.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Don't forget Ono. Don't know which weight he will compete at, but he is a World Champ who is red shirting. Would have to think he is at least in the NC conversation next year.

10 champs next year?

 

[Nitlion1986]

10 champs next year?

That has always been stated as a goal. I think one of the coolest things to watch or listen to afterwards would be the arguments for the Cowboys stressing PSU in 2028.
That discussion could go, PSU with 8 returning champs and 185 returning points will struggle to fend off Taylor's Cowboys.

 

[SleepyLion]

I just want the guys to have fun and achieve their individual goals.

 

[JoeBagobagels]

One

That has always been stated as a goal. I think one of the coolest things to watch or listen to afterwards would be the arguments for the Cowboys stressing PSU in 2028.
That discussion could go, PSU with 8 returning champs and 185 returning points will struggle to fend off Taylor's Cowboys.

With what I've seen it's a possibility.

 

[Michnit]

Personally, I'd really like to see 10 All Americans again. I'm soft-hearted and would hate for the one or two guys if PSU only ended up with 8 or with 9. I'd rather see 10 AAs with no points record than to see 8 or 9 AAs WITH the points record.

Nah, give me the points record

 

[Sunshine88!]

Think we need a couple more guys get more bonus points at Nationals this year, compared to years past. We’ll see. Can’t be riding guys Too long when you’re not getting back points. Seen that a lot this year. Gotta let them up earlier.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Think we need a couple more guys get more bonus points at Nationals this year, compared to years past. We’ll see. Can’t be riding guys Too long when you’re not getting back points. Seen that a lot this year. Gotta let them up earlier.

Hopefully Cael is reading this.

 

[Snoopy226]

I’d rather see Champs and max AAs then points record, although one drives the other. Points record is a bit hard to quantify with the Tech Falls coming faster due to 3pt takedown.

 

[MacwoodFleetPSU]

I posted this in another thread late last night after Flo's newest rankings came out:

Flo just came out with their newest rankings tonight. In the team race Penn State leads Ohio State 160 to 95.5 without bonus points included.

125-- Luke #1
133-- Marcus #2
141-- Braeden #13
149-- SVN #1
157-- PJ #4
165-- MM #1
174-- Levi #1
184-- Rocco #1
197-- Barr #1
285-- Cole #5

Here is my guess for bonus points for the NCAA tournament:

Mitchell-- 7+
Barr-- 6+
Levi-- 5+
SVN-- 3.5+
Luke-- 3.5+
Duke-- 4.5+
Blaze-- 3.5+
Welsh-- 2.5+
Davis-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)
Mirasola-- 3.5+ (which includes some bonus points in the consolation bracket)

**42.5 total**

That would come out to basically a best case scenario of 202.5 team points. Since Penn State has six wrestlers at #1 and one at #2, placement points-wise we are nearly maxed out for those seven weights. I am fairly confident PJ will place higher than #4 and it wouldn't surprise me to see Braeden AA. It is hard for me to gauge where Cole is in relation to his #5 ranking, but any placement between 4-8 seems reasonable. Time will tell, but the NCAA team score record of 177.5 (corrected for today's team scoring criteria) in 1992 by Iowa and Penn State's 177 points last season looks to definitely be in jeopardy.

Edit: As a hypothetical based upon their current rankings, Braeden placing #8 would add four points, PJ placing #2 would add 3.5 points and Cole placing #4 would add 2.5 points for a total of ten additional team points.

This is too aggressive on bonus for some. the odds that davis or cole gets 3.5 points bonus ieach is pretty slim.

 

[MacwoodFleetPSU]

I’d rather see Champs and max AAs then points record, although one drives the other. Points record is a bit hard to quantify with the Tech Falls coming faster due to 3pt takedown.

Pretty sure that if you turned all of our techs into majors last year we still would've had the record. I don't think we had 14 tech falls. Could be wrong!

 

[WV lion]

This is too aggressive on bonus for some. the odds that davis or cole gets 3.5 points bonus ieach is pretty slim.

I think SVN gets more.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Pretty sure that if you turned all of our techs into majors last year we still would've had the record. I don't think we had 14 tech falls. Could be wrong!

1992 Iowa had a half point more if you re-score them using today's scoring rules for bonus, advancement, and placement. So I would argue that PSU does not have the scoring record. Yet.

 

[Corby2]

1992 Iowa had a half point more if you re-score them using today's scoring rules for bonus, advancement, and placement. So I would argue that PSU does not have the scoring record. Yet.

Plus 3 point takedowns and 4 point NF . This years team will score 185 or more and have the record regardless

 

[a_mshaffer]

1992 Iowa had a half point more if you re-score them using today's scoring rules for bonus, advancement, and placement. So I would argue that PSU does not have the scoring record. Yet.

what??? and the sport didn't fall apart on account of that dominance?