Private School

[Ukbrassowtipin]

lol at just now realizing private schools are expensive. It’s only been a major point of discussion for over a decade.

Another point of discussion that ppl ignore is that the actual real cost is cheaper than public school...its just in this case the cost is put on one person/family. Hence, why ppl support school choice.

Avg cost of public school yearly: 14k

Avg total tax payer cost per student at public school: 21k

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Not to long ago there was an article on WKYT quoting Jessica Hiler of KEA saying the majority of teachers don’t want to go back in person. I was like hold on, I remember a survey from FCPS that said 75% of teachers voted to go back in person. Tells you all you need to know about teacher unions. So I emailed WKYT and they updated their story.

 

[Monroe Claxton]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...hool-issues-8-page-anti-racism-manifesto/amp/

 

[theoledog]

i have little good to say about teachers 2021... sorry ... teachers have allowed the profession to be about “them” ... OMO

 

[BeAllied]

i have little good to say about teachers 2021... sorry ... teachers have allowed the profession to be about “them” ... OMO

Too many protected wage squatters these days. They went from teaching evolution in the classrooms to needing evolution within the profession.

And yes, if indoctrination is my only choice, then I would rather be religiously indoctrinated than politically indoctrinated by leftists. Both suck, but I would rather have people learning that they have something higher to live for over being taught perpetual victimhood beyond their own control.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

What am I trying to stir up? I am just telling you that I am married to a teacher, have a daughter that is currently doing her student teaching and have probably 20-30 friends that are teachers and none of them have liked virtual learning and they all want to go back to in class instruction.

Well how many of them are calling their superintendents and local KEA and asking them to get them back to school. Because according to a lot of things I’ve heard recently, silence is acquiescence.

 

[rudd1]

-silence=complicity, iirc.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I was taught in public school and would prefer that with my children. Exposes them to more people of different backgrounds and we pay enough in property taxes in our part of town for good schools. Not worried about them being “Indoctrinated” as I’m a pretty involved parent and they’ll get that from us. My daughter starts preschool next year so I’m glad I was able to avoid the mess this year as I’d be livid.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

-silence=complicity, iirc.

Thanks. I knew it was something like that.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

There’s a lot of misguided anger in blaming the “teacher’s union” for Covid school closures in Kentucky. The “teacher’s union” only exists as a true union (ability to bargain for a contract with pay, benefits, and set working conditions) in just a handful of counties in the state. Why? Because Kentucky is a no-bargain state for public employed unions unless the employer has specifically granted them bargaining rights (such as Jefferson and Fayette). So, if you’re pissed off about Covid school closures, the only way the “teacher’s union” had any role in the closure is if the local school board in that district has granted them the right to have a voice in their working conditions.

How dare you bring facts to a good conspiracy theory argument.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

i have little good to say about teachers 2021... sorry ... teachers have allowed the profession to be about “them” ... OMO

Then homeschool your kids and the problem is solved.

My local school has been back to in person on an alternating schedule for a few weeks. They were supposed to go back to full time this week but the snow kept them from going today. I guess the KEA must have gotten to mother nature too.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

 

[ukalum1988]

At the end of our rope with public schools like everyone else. We have been fortunate with both sets of parents living close by so we never had the expense of daycare. Now looking at private schools and seeing the sticker shock. So, is there any tax break if you have the expense of private school. Have one kid elementary age and one middle school. I can’t imagine paying that monthly private school bill, but if they aren’t in person by August, I think we have to find a way to have the $ for private schools.

Assume you live in Ky? In Indiana, starting about 8-10 years ago, you can get a tax credit or a deduction for dependent children in a private school.

 

[Henogee1975]

Then homeschool your kids and the problem is solved.

My local school has been back to in person on an alternating schedule for a few weeks. They were supposed to go back to full time this week but the snow kept them from going today. I guess the KEA must have gotten to mother nature too.

It will be a makeup day in June for a lot of the kids. It’s gonna be tough making kids show up for talent shows, field days and movies.

 

[80 Proof]

How dare you bring facts to a good conspiracy theory argument.

You're forgetting about our dipshit governor who's head is lodged firmly up the KEA's ***.

 

[theoledog]

Then homeschool your kids and the problem is solved.

My local school has been back to in person on an alternating schedule for a few weeks. They were supposed to go back to full time this week but the snow kept them from going today. I guess the KEA must have gotten to mother nature too.

dont have kids in system... but my opinion ... the generation teaching today doesnt think they answer to anyone... and I think they’re right/they don’t.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

dont have kids in system... but my opinion ... the generation teaching today doesnt think they answer to anyone... and I think they’re right/they don’t.

I would agree if you are talking about teachers who have only been teaching a year or 2. My wife has several new teachers at her school and a lot of them don't want to do the job they are getting paid to do. With that being said that isn't limited to the teaching profession. My teenage daughter was complaining about how some of the ones who work at the grocery store where she works were lazy and would try to hide to keep from doing anything. I think there are a lot of kids coming up who haven't been taught work ethic and that isn't taught at school that is on the parents.

 

[anthonys735]

How dare you bring facts to a good conspiracy theory argument.

Facts are fun.

In addition to finding a strong relationship between district partisanship and school reopening plans, we also find evidence that another type of political factor explains district decision-making: the strength of organized teacher union interests in a school district. Recall that, based on prior literature, teachers unions in larger school districts tend to be far stronger than unions in smaller districts. Even after controlling for district urbanicity, partisanship, and the COVID case rate in a district, we find that larger districts where unions are more likely to be powerful in politics and collective bargaining are far less likely to hold in-person classes (Column 1) and far more likely to remain remote at the start of the fall school year.

The finding that districts with stronger unions are less likely to re-open, even after accounting for the intensity of the pandemic itself, is entirely consistent with the strong public positions taken by the nation’s two largest teachers unions and their affiliates in opposing districts’ efforts to push them back into the classroom at the start of the fall school year. Although we are confident that district size does an adequate job proxying the likely strength of teachers unions across 21 school districts, we acknowledge that the size of a school district itself is also likely to present different logistical challenges which itself may shape a district’s practical choice in a reopening plan. Consequently, we perform an additional test with a different measure of union strength later in the paper to ensure the robustness of this finding.

https://www.edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai20-304.pdf

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Facts are fun.

In addition to finding a strong relationship between district partisanship and school reopening plans, we also find evidence that another type of political factor explains district decision-making: the strength of organized teacher union interests in a school district. Recall that, based on prior literature, teachers unions in larger school districts tend to be far stronger than unions in smaller districts. Even after controlling for district urbanicity, partisanship, and the COVID case rate in a district, we find that larger districts where unions are more likely to be powerful in politics and collective bargaining are far less likely to hold in-person classes (Column 1) and far more likely to remain remote at the start of the fall school year.

The finding that districts with stronger unions are less likely to re-open, even after accounting for the intensity of the pandemic itself, is entirely consistent with the strong public positions taken by the nation’s two largest teachers unions and their affiliates in opposing districts’ efforts to push them back into the classroom at the start of the fall school year. Although we are confident that district size does an adequate job proxying the likely strength of teachers unions across 21 school districts, we acknowledge that the size of a school district itself is also likely to present different logistical challenges which itself may shape a district’s practical choice in a reopening plan. Consequently, we perform an additional test with a different measure of union strength later in the paper to ensure the robustness of this finding.

https://www.edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai20-304.pdf

It is amazing how many of you guys can't get through 1 day of your life without making something political. I would hate to be consumed by something like that but that obviously is what you live for.

 

[UKGrad93]

At the end of our rope with public schools like everyone else. We have been fortunate with both sets of parents living close by so we never had the expense of daycare. Now looking at private schools and seeing the sticker shock. So, is there any tax break if you have the expense of private school. Have one kid elementary age and one middle school. I can’t imagine paying that monthly private school bill, but if they aren’t in person by August, I think we have to find a way to have the $ for private schools.

Remember all that money you saved by not paying for daycare? Use that to pay for private school. The well being of your child should be top priority.

 

[anthonys735]

So it's not unions, not teachers, and not politicians. Obviously not parents and children. What exactly is it? Why is it in the 2 largest cities in the state private schools have operated since September but it's unsafe for public schools? Why are 53% of schools across the country open? Why are most of the rest of the world's open since May/June?

Boogeyman? Wizard behind a curtain?

Facts(or lack thereof) must only be fun when they support your side.

As that study says, and is blatantly obvious, schools became political when Trump said he supported them. He didn't give a ****, it was just taking an opposite side from Dems, because he certainly didn't take steps to force openings or ease the tensions. And rather than agree with anything big bad Orange Man says, democrats did the unthinkable and used our kids as pawns. They needlessly terrified teachers and parents in effort to get Orange Man. Despicable. However, now they've let the unions get in a power position and that's why school closures are where they are. Large, democratic cities/states. If you can't see that you're being really obtuse. I can post 3 or 4 heavily liberal leaning writers or papers that explain this whole thing in depth.

Anything else?

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Can’t wait to hear the answer as to who is keeping kids out of school . I’ll take the first shot...in Fayette County it is NOT teachers because FCPS did a survey and like everything else FCPS screwed themselves over by saying 75% of teachers wanted to be in person and that was months ago with Covid safety conditions as they were. Now we have a vaccination for teachers so am I right that the % would now be higher? So I think we can eliminate parents, kids, and teachers as the roadblocks for getting kids back in school. Soooo, the Boogeyman and the Wizard is still out there..wonder what the answer will be?

 

[TruBluCatFan]

It is amazing how many of you guys can't get through 1 day of your life without making something political. I would hate to be consumed by something like that but that obviously is what you live for.

If you don’t think school reopenings are political then I don’t know what to say. I’m not saying it it only politics but it plays a huge part in it.

 

[80 Proof]

It is amazing how many of you guys can't get through 1 day of your life without making something political. I would hate to be consumed by something like that but that obviously is what you live for.

The KEA made this political. I'm amazed how you can get through the day without realizing simple, obvious facts like that.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

The KEA made this political. I'm amazed how you can get through the day without realizing simple, obvious facts like that.

I just don't get my panties in a wad about something as trivial as if KEA is behind some school districts not opening.

 

[80 Proof]

I just don't get my panties in a wad about something as trivial as if KEA is behind some school districts not opening.

You mean you ignore obvious facts, because you've definitely gotten your panties in a wad about this subject.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

You mean you ignore obvious facts.

No I mean it doesn't consume my life but go ahead and let it eat at you if you want.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

I just don't get my panties in a wad about something as trivial as if KEA is behind some school districts not opening.

I would argue it’s not trivial in the slightest...

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

No I mean it doesn't consume my life but go ahead and let it eat at you if you want.

Do you have any children at home doing virtual school? If so, have you talked to their pediatrician about how beneficial virtual schooling is to them?

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

I would argue it’s not trivial in the slightest...

a lot of public schools are open so they obviously don't have all of KY educators and school systems hogtied into virtual only. If your school district does then maybe you should go inquire of your superintendent to see why they are not open instead of whining on a message board that the big bad KEA is destroying the education system.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

a lot of public schools are open so they obviously don't have all of KY educators and school systems hogtied into virtual only. If your school district does then maybe you should go inquire of your superintendent to see why they are not open instead of whining on a message board that the big bad KEA is destroying the education system.

Never seen anyone love the KEA like you do. Hell my mom was president of her districts section of the KEA and she wasn’t as gung ho about them as you are.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Do you have any children at home doing virtual school? If so, have you talked to their pediatrician about how beneficial virtual schooling is to them?

Yes I do and why would I talk to a Dr about virtual education when my wife is an actual educator? If I wanted to know why they have a stomach ache then I will ask my pediatrician. As I have stated multiple times on here she and most other teachers want to go back because not only is it harder on the teachers and students this year but trying to get kids caught up over the next few years will prove to be difficult as well. If your school district isn't back to in person instruction go ask your superintendent and school board why they aren't.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I would agree if you are talking about teachers who have only been teaching a year or 2. My wife has several new teachers at her school and a lot of them don't want to do the job they are getting paid to do. With that being said that isn't limited to the teaching profession. My teenage daughter was complaining about how some of the ones who work at the grocery store where she works were lazy and would try to hide to keep from doing anything. I think there are a lot of kids coming up who haven't been taught work ethic and that isn't taught at school that is on the parents.

I'm 38. If my mom somehow found out I was slacking off or not working hard at my job she'd drive up from Owensboro and smack me.

 

[anthonys735]

I guess you just grazed over: "Recall that, based on prior literature, teachers unions in larger school districts tend to be far stronger than unions in smaller districts. Even after controlling for district urbanicity, partisanship, and the COVID case rate in a district, we find that larger districts where unions are more likely to be powerful in politics and collective bargaining are far less likely to hold in-person classes (Column 1) and far more likely to remain remote at the start of the fall school year. "

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Never seen anyone love the KEA like you do. Hell my mom was president of her districts section of the KEA and she wasn’t as gung ho about them as you are.

You think I love KEA?

No it's just I am not consumed by them like some of you all seem to be. When I woke up this morning if I had made a list of things that I liked and/or disliked in my life the KEA wouldn't have made the top 100,000 things because to be honest with you outside of this conversation I have not even talked about the KEA probably ever.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

I guess you just grazed over: "Recall that, based on prior literature, teachers unions in larger school districts tend to be far stronger than unions in smaller districts. Even after controlling for district urbanicity, partisanship, and the COVID case rate in a district, we find that larger districts where unions are more likely to be powerful in politics and collective bargaining are far less likely to hold in-person classes (Column 1) and far more likely to remain remote at the start of the fall school year. "

No I just didn't care enough to read it.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

I am going to bow out and let you guys get back to bashing teachers, public schools and the KEA. I apologize for getting you sidetracked so carry on.

 

[anthonys735]

Doesn't care, and not a big deal, but has responded 87 times in this thread.

The obvious answer, why you don't care, it's because you're in the fortunate situation that you have an educator as a wife. So the strain for your situation is not palpable. You're in the minority, the burden of these decisions, especially the waiting game, are causing is irreparable.

 

[Henogee1975]

I guess you just grazed over: "Recall that, based on prior literature, teachers unions in larger school districts tend to be far stronger than unions in smaller districts. Even after controlling for district urbanicity, partisanship, and the COVID case rate in a district, we find that larger districts where unions are more likely to be powerful in politics and collective bargaining are far less likely to hold in-person classes (Column 1) and far more likely to remain remote at the start of the fall school year. "

What is their end goal?

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Yes I do and why would I talk to a Dr about virtual education when my wife is an actual educator? If I wanted to know why they have a stomach ache then I will ask my pediatrician. As I have stated multiple times on here she and most other teachers want to go back because not only is it harder on the teachers and students this year but trying to get kids caught up over the next few years will prove to be difficult as well. If your school district isn't back to in person instruction go ask your superintendent and school board why they aren't.

Mental health of our children matter. I have talked to my school board and superintendent. They don’t listen. By the way, we have a Facebook group with over 3,300 members in Fayette County pushing to get our kids back in person...doing everything we can! Join “Let Them Learn In Fayette County “. There are also other groups that have been formed if you are in another county. Just search for Let Them Learn in .............