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I think it's safe to assume that the bigtime metro area academies (JA, Prep, MRA) are on a different level than the rest of the private schools. It's obvious they could easily compete in their classifications in MHSAA but I am curious as to what the remainder of the private schools in the state could do. I know some of the small ones lost last night to public schools but what about Kirk, Lee, Pillow, Washington, etc. Are they playing any public schools?
 
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I think it's safe to assume that the bigtime metro area academies (JA, Prep, MRA) are on a different level than the rest of the private schools. It's obvious they could easily compete in their classifications in MHSAA but I am curious as to what the remainder of the private schools in the state could do. I know some of the small ones lost last night to public schools but what about Kirk, Lee, Pillow, Washington, etc. Are they playing any public schools?
 
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Pillow and Washington could compete every few years. And maybe include Mag heights and Lamar school. There really isn't much left beyond them to consider out of the private schools. I would include Parklane but after last night I think I'll keep them off of the list.
 
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Last night Bowling Green (AA) hosted 1A Dexter.
Do NOT expect Parklane to play a public school in football anytime soon...or Brookhaven Academy (AA) or Centreville (AA).
The only reason I can figure the MPSA changing to the MAIS is to court some of the 1A 2A and possibly 3A parochial schools in MS, LA and AL.
 
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the top to bottom strength that exists in BCS conferences like the SEC. So yes, JA, Jackson Prep, MRA and some of the better academies can step out and beat an average public school team on occasion, but they aren't playing tough physical teams on a weekly basis. It boils down to the fact that public schools generally are a step faster, certainly hit harder, are bigger, stronger and just more athletic. You can get away with a 6 foot tall left tackle at USM or Utah, but he would get abused on a weekly basis in the SEC. Same way at the academies, as most players at MRA would not be on the 2-deep at Madison Central. However, many could and would play in 2 or 3A. (isn't that a standard answer that folks at MRA give to explain their $10K annual expense when a better, and by the way tuition free, public school is 2 miles to the West???)
 
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I see where you going with the old logic of MHSAA dominating MPSA but I think it is being proven wrong. What I think is being proven is that private school athletics (especially football) are just as good as public schools when the said schools are of even size. Of course some will suck *** (see Starkville Academy and Yazoo County) and others will be good (see MRA and Ackerman).

I don't see how public schools can be bigger and stronger. what would affect them to be bigger? I doubt many public schools have the resources in facilities and weight programs that the Prep's and JA's have. Hell, when I was there, Prep built an indoor practice facility. I think it all depends on the emphasis put on athletics at a given school.
 
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from the academy ranks get into the SEC each year? Hmmmmmmmm...........Trying to think of one.

Cover corners (Smoot) and blazing outside speed (Molds) are rare in academy ball. Ever see a Robert Elliot or maybe a Dixon out on Lakeland Drive? For that matter, outside of Will Overstreet, who else from prep has made it big in SEC ball?
 
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Public school football is better than private school football?? Thanks for the news flash, Sherlock.

The only thing people are saying is that some private schools could compete consistently at that level. Prep has made that abundantly clear.
 
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Too many prepsters want it to be true. A few, granted a few, MPSAA teams can compete. Not many, and in no way will I call them by whatever name Les dreamed up to help them stay afloat.
 
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I can only assume you are going for a black vs. white athletic argument. How many schools in MS have big time SEC talent every year... very few.

Edit: for a bump to give CED another chance at a well thought out, informed response (all sarcasm) or else I am declaring complete and utter victory in this internet pillow fight.
 
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Not sure you're really helping your argument by having to go back that far to try to make your point.
 
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How many kids are enrolled in MPSA high schools vs MHSAA schools? I would bet that the percentages that sign college scholarships are similar.
 
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I'm not sure want you want to hear. The question was asked how many major SEC players have come from Prep. He was probably expecting silence, but there have been several.

Do you expect a school Prep's size to produce a major SEC player ever 2-3 years? Where does that ever happen? Prep is about 100-120 a class. By my math, that would be expecting an SEC starting caliber player to come out of a group of about 15-20 guys (50-60 males a class, 15-20 play football) a year.

But i digress, the point is that the competitiveness among comparably sized public and private schools is being proven to be very equal. By the way, I in no way think Prep could give an MC team (especially this year) a whole lot of trouble, they have 3-4 times as many people to field a team from
 
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I think the private school and public school thing is complete ********. It's pretty bad for our state in general when you have all white teams(private school) playing a public school and people getting worked up because of the very obvious. If there was any way I would have it fixed where the public funding would cover all and the JAs and the Preps would be no more. Or atleast their tuition wouldn't riddle out the majority of jackson. Jackson is very far behind and it does not help by having the private schools dominate the region educationally and economically with the tuition costs being more than our colleges.

/which most cannot and will not ever afford
//And I know my statements are in a dream world but it is clear our student athletes' sports IQ(overall) will never match that of bigger states(the Floridas and Texas) when we consistently lose the precious amount of funding to the private school ranks.

flame away**
 
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since you are a civil engineer, but what makes you think MC is a "better" school than MRA??

Don't get me wrong MC is an outstanding school. I'm just not sure why you think MC is "better." Do you have quantifiable evidence to state MC is "better" for every single student in Madison county than MRA??

P.S. A civil engineer should realize MC is a pretty good bit more than 2 miles to the west of MRA.
 
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Dawgfan61 said:
since you are a civil engineer, but what makes you think MC is a "better" school than MRA??

Don't get me wrong MC is an outstanding school. I'm just not sure why you think MC is "better." Do you have quantifiable evidence to state MC is "better" for every single student in Madison county than MRA??

P.S. A civil engineer should realize MC is a pretty good bit more than 2 miles to the west of MRA.
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He probably does realize that, but really, all he needs to know is whether or not one is of higher elevation...because we all know that the only purpose of a civil engineer is to determine which way shi_t is going to flow and hopefully he is smart enough to realize that **** indeed does flow down hill

(engineer smack)
 
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Marcus Wilson was an o-lineman at UNC. Adam Cabbell turned down D1 offers to go to Millsaps. There was some other guy that played line at Ole Miss. Going way, way back there was Toler.

You're right. For the 15-20 senior football players on average each year at Prep, they do put an impressive amount on D1 teams.
 
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I don't think it's "obvious" that the big three would be able to compete at all. They put out a quality lineman or two every so often, true, but it's at the skill positions where their public school counterparts completely leave them in the dust. The speed and agility differences up and down the rosters would be hard to overcome.
 
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I forgot about marcus wilson, did he start or play much? I can't remember. The Cabbell you are referring to first name was Jason. If i remember correctly he had a scholarship offer to Nebraska (probably others too) but he just didn't like playing football all that much and wanted to play at Millsaps with his older brother (he may have been Adam). There have been numerous guys to be on Ole Miss team but didn't play much if at all.
 
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McLaurin was a long snapper at Ole Miss and I'm pretty sure Kimmel played at State and Ole Miss.
 
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Reid Neely and David Traxler out of jackson academy that went to play OL at Mississippi.
 
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what about Will Arnold (Centerville Academy) started a couple of years back for LSU? Or Todd Wade (prep) anyone? And Reid Neely (JA) starts on the Ole Miss O-line this season. Doesn't Addison Lawrence (mag. heights) start on States oline?
 
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Ole Miss' deep snapper, Ryan Jones - maybe got 1 or 2 plays in his career. Hell I think Kennedy Griffin was on Ole Miss' football team.
 
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Walker Jones from Jackson Academy started for Ole Miss for 3 years. And granted it was La Tech, but I seem to remeber Alvin Stokes and Mike Reeves abusing our secondary in Starkville in 95'.
 
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You're talking about three players...two actually. Walker was a safety when he came out of JA...they moved him to linebacker pretty quickly after that. (for the record, Walker is a good Christian guy and somebody to be admired - gotta like to see people with his character do well) Two players are an exception to the rule, not the norm.
 
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