Proposed CJC consolidation....

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Super duper "hold em muh ccountable!!111" Republicans at it again.

I'll ask this......show me where the saved money would be spent. Show me your plan to reinvest the money, and I might get on board. I'd like to see exactly how much money is saved and what positions would be cut. Give the facts, not just a political stunt that SaVeD tHe StAtE mOnEy. Look how well that worked for Elon.

And the legislators don't care about alleged administrative fat.....they care about jobs being lost in their districts.
 

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Just my 2 cents but why would you merge Meridian with East Mississippi and be strung out from Meridian to Mayhew? Doesn't it make more sense to combine Meridian with East Central at Decatur?

Here's the community college district map. Meridian could also fit into East Central.

If I were education dictator for the day, in addition to these proposals,

Itawamba would merge into Northeast.
Meridian and East Central would merge into East.
The Northern half of Pearl River would merge into Jones and the Southern half into Gulf Coast.

This takes us from 13 to 9.

My next move is even controversial.

Madison County is moved to Hinds, and Hinds is renamed Central Mississippi

Co-Lin is renamed Southwest
Jones is renamed Pine Belt
Holmes is renamed North Central

You now have 9 administrative areas that can act as 9 K-12 school districts. You would certainly need sub-districts, but the administrative functions fall under nine superintendents.
 

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Just my 2 cents but why would you merge Meridian with East Mississippi and be strung out from Meridian to Mayhew? Doesn't it make more sense to combine Meridian with East Central at Decatur?
I was told that Lauderdale County is technically in the EMCC district, but a portion of it was blocked off for MCC when it was created
 

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Even bigger hot take. I would consider eliminating JUCO sports. I played JUCO ball, and honestly, it is kind of a waste of money.
 
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Even bigger hot take. I would consider eliminating JUCO sports. I played JUCO ball, and honestly, it is kind of a waste of money.
I mean, all college sports outside of football and men's basketball are a waste of money. I don't have a problem with JUCO sports, as long as they are just another extracurricular on a shoestring budget. Maybe football should be eliminated just because it's hard to do it safely cheaply. But otherwise, let them be glorified high school sports. Not even sure they should spring for full time coaches. My only concern with making that a rule is that they'd probably make coaches into unqualified teachers to get better coaching.
 
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Eliminate every Juco sport with the exception of basketball, tennis, etc. (sports that don't cost much). If one or two schools has a long history of a good football program keep those.
 
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Even though my son is playing Juco football, consolidation is needed. That plan proposed doesn’t make sense. Juco football and baseball is played at a high level and soccer is gaining ground. The rest we could probably do without.
 

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Here's the community college district map. Meridian could also fit into East Central.

If I were education dictator for the day, in addition to these proposals,

Itawamba would merge into Northeast.
Meridian and East Central would merge into East.
The Northern half of Pearl River would merge into Jones and the Southern half into Gulf Coast.

This takes us from 13 to 9.

My next move is even controversial.

Madison County is moved to Hinds, and Hinds is renamed Central Mississippi

Co-Lin is renamed Southwest
Jones is renamed Pine Belt
Holmes is renamed North Central

You now have 9 administrative areas that can act as 9 K-12 school districts. You would certainly need sub-districts, but the administrative functions fall under nine superintendents.
Jones has already fought to stay JCJC.
 

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Makes sense. Probably makes sense to close some but this is a start....


nope.
I’m from Meridian. Meridian keeps an elite baseball program and has just spent millions of dollars on a tennis/softball complex. Scooba obviously has the football team. Who gets cut? How do you decide that? And for what? To save administrative fees?? Um… this state has much bigger financial issues than administration fees for 3 state JUCOs.

also… my girl is a softball player. Cutting three programs essentially cuts 75 chances for her to get a scholly. She’s actually a prospect for Southwest. We’re just going to cut that team? Fudge that.

I can’t help but notice that Lamar didn’t propose consolidating Northwest CC, the school in his district. Wonder why that is?

Leave the 17ing JUCOs alone and fix the actual corruption in our state government.
 
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Even bigger hot take. I would consider eliminating JUCO sports. I played JUCO ball, and honestly, it is kind of a waste of money.
Thank god you only speak for yourself then. My daughter isn’t a D1 athlete, but a damn good softball pitcher. Juco is her path to play post HS sports. If you don’t care about it, that’s your business… a lot of folks do care about it.
 

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Even though my son is playing Juco football, consolidation is needed. That plan proposed doesn’t make sense. Juco football and baseball is played at a high level and soccer is gaining ground. The rest we could probably do without.
You people do realize that most of the states Juco softball teams are actually elite, right? Co-Lin just won a national title. Jones has had one recently, Itawamba is knocking on the door. Most of them have played at a very high level in the last 10years.

State and Ole Miss do not recruit MS girls. Southern keeps a handful on roster. MS girls only real option is Juco ball.

I get it… softball isn’t popular on this board. Whatever. My point is, there is real waste in the state government. Juco athletics isn’t it.
 
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Here's the community college district map. Meridian could also fit into East Central.

If I were education dictator for the day, in addition to these proposals,

Itawamba would merge into Northeast.
Meridian and East Central would merge into East.
The Northern half of Pearl River would merge into Jones and the Southern half into Gulf Coast.

This takes us from 13 to 9.

My next move is even controversial.

Madison County is moved to Hinds, and Hinds is renamed Central Mississippi

Co-Lin is renamed Southwest
Jones is renamed Pine Belt
Holmes is renamed North Central

You now have 9 administrative areas that can act as 9 K-12 school districts. You would certainly need sub-districts, but the administrative functions fall under nine superintendents.
This makes good sense. I might go further and split East Mississippi between east central and Northeast.
 
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nope.
I’m from Meridian. Meridian keeps an elite baseball program and has just spent millions of dollars on a tennis/softball complex. Scooba obviously has the football team. Who gets cut? How do you decide that? And for what? To save administrative fees?? Um… this state has much bigger financial issues than administration fees for 3 state JUCOs.

also… my girl is a softball player. Cutting three programs essentially cuts 75 chances for her to get a scholly. She’s actually a prospect for Southwest. We’re just going to cut that team? Fudge that.

I can’t help but notice that Lamar didn’t propose consolidating Northwest CC, the school in his district. Wonder why that is?

Leave the 17ing JUCOs alone and fix the actual corruption in our state government.
Don't worry. This has no chance of becoming law. It also doesn't mean each campus can't have a sport.
 
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You people do realize that most of the states Juco softball teams are actually elite, right? Co-Lin just won a national title. Jones has had one recently, Itawamba is knocking on the door. Most of them have played at a very high level in the last 10years.

State and Ole Miss do not recruit MS girls. Southern keeps a handful on roster. MS girls only real option is Juco ball.

I get it… softball isn’t popular on this board. Whatever. My point is, there is real waste in the state government. Juco athletics isn’t it.
Actually agree with you…wasn’t intentional. Softball is very good in MS.
 
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Actually agree with you…wasn’t intentional. Softball is very good in MS.
The “you people” comment wasn’t pointed directly at you. It’s directed to anyone saying “just cut Juco athletics… it’s not worth anything.” (To grossly paraphrase). I can not speak for every sport, but I’ve been raising a softballer who’s in her 9th year of playing. I have put a lot of time, money, and effort into it. She has put everything she has into it. Any bill that limits her college playing opportunities, I oppose.

Anyway… I’ve read every article I could find on the subject. None of them actually discuss the athletic side of this issue. So I have no idea how it plays out. But I agree that the bill probably stands no chance to pass. Just to much politics involved. To that I say good.
 
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Even though my son is playing Juco football, consolidation is needed. That plan proposed doesn’t make sense. Juco football and baseball is played at a high level and soccer is gaining ground. The rest we could probably do without.
I played JUCO football and it was awesome experience, but if we are being honest it’s a waste of State money. 12 teams with travel, meals, equipment, etc. is a lot. The fan support is not really there.
 

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You people do realize that most of the states Juco softball teams are actually elite, right? Co-Lin just won a national title. Jones has had one recently, Itawamba is knocking on the door. Most of them have played at a very high level in the last 10years.

State and Ole Miss do not recruit MS girls. Southern keeps a handful on roster. MS girls only real option is Juco ball.

I get it… softball isn’t popular on this board. Whatever. My point is, there is real waste in the state government. Juco athletics isn’t it.
I am not trying to be rude, I loved my opportunity to play JUCO. I could have gone D2 or FCS, but wanted to stay close to friends and family. I am just looking back and not seeing a real benefit to the JUCO option (it’s just more competitive high school ball). If you are not good enough to play past high school it’s okay. It was worth it, but it ends eventually. I hope your daughter kills it and gets a chance to go on past JUCO btw.
 
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I played JUCO football and it was awesome experience, but if we are being honest it’s a waste of State money. 12 teams with travel, meals, equipment, etc. is a lot. The fan support is not really there.
A quick Google search says that Co-Lin (just the one school I looked up) has a 2.5 mil allocated to it by the state of Mississippi for its athletic budget. Co-Lin generated 2.4 and some change in athletic revenue. That along with donations to its version of the Wolfpack club, they actually are net positive on budget. I realize they aren’t all that successful, but it’s literally the first one I searched.

Not every kid is D1 level. We all know this. Mississippi actually has a really successful Juco sports system. Jones dominated football when I was a teen in the 90s, Scooba is doing it now. MCC has always been high level in baseball my entire life. We’ve covered softball.

the point I was making outside of my emotional opinion on softball is the state of Mississippi pisses money away like crazy. Juco athletics does lot even represent a drop in the bucket.

fix the 17ing water main in Jackson that’s pissing away thousand of gallons of water every day. Because they can’t figure out how to stop it.

the Lauderdale co public works guy who embezzled millions of dollars here. We’ve passsed two resolutions here to build a new sports plex and when it gets close to building it, our accountants can’t find the 10mil they “set aside” for the project.

That’s just the two examples of incompetence and corruption I know of.

a 2.5 mil athletic budget for each state Juco is nothing.



I appreciate the well wishes for my daughter. I’m excited for her to play college ball. She’s getting noticed at Itawamba, Southwest, East Central and SAU Tech in Arkansas. The proposed change most likely will have no effect on her career.

Again, I had big dreams of her playing for State, but they just do not recruit Mississippi girls. That’s fine, no hard feelings. A LOT of kids go through our Juco system (like yourself) and see a ton of value in it.
 
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I personally am not a fan of JUCO athletics, but it's not that big of a deal and I will not die on that hill. I am a fan of this bill. Coahoma and Meridian should not exist anyway (special carve out). Southwest is struggling, and they only have the one campus in Summit to serve four counties. Co-Lin could easily absorb those four counties into its district.

And while Northeast/Itawamba makes a lot of sense, both of those systems are doing very well.
 
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A quick Google search says that Co-Lin (just the one school I looked up) has a 2.5 mil allocated to it by the state of Mississippi for its athletic budget. Co-Lin generated 2.4 and some change in athletic revenue. That along with donations to its version of the Wolfpack club, they actually are net positive on budget. I realize they aren’t all that successful, but it’s literally the first one I searched.

Not every kid is D1 level. We all know this. Mississippi actually has a really successful Juco sports system. Jones dominated football when I was a teen in the 90s, Scooba is doing it now. MCC has always been high level in baseball my entire life. We’ve covered softball.

the point I was making outside of my emotional opinion on softball is the state of Mississippi pisses money away like crazy. Juco athletics does lot even represent a drop in the bucket.

fix the 17ing water main in Jackson that’s pissing away thousand of gallons of water every day. Because they can’t figure out how to stop it.

the Lauderdale co public works guy who embezzled millions of dollars here. We’ve passsed two resolutions here to build a new sports plex and when it gets close to building it, our accountants can’t find the 10mil they “set aside” for the project.

That’s just the two examples of incompetence and corruption I know of.

a 2.5 mil athletic budget for each state Juco is nothing.



I appreciate the well wishes for my daughter. I’m excited for her to play college ball. She’s getting noticed at Itawamba, Southwest, East Central and SAU Tech in Arkansas. The proposed change most likely will have no effect on her career.

Again, I had big dreams of her playing for State, but they just do not recruit Mississippi girls. That’s fine, no hard feelings. A LOT of kids go through our Juco system (like yourself) and see a ton of value in it.
My son just started at East Central (early grad playing OT) and loves it so far. Best of luck to your daughter.
 
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nope.
I’m from Meridian. Meridian keeps an elite baseball program and has just spent millions of dollars on a tennis/softball complex. Scooba obviously has the football team. Who gets cut? How do you decide that? And for what? To save administrative fees?? Um… this state has much bigger financial issues than administration fees for 3 state JUCOs.

also… my girl is a softball player. Cutting three programs essentially cuts 75 chances for her to get a scholly. She’s actually a prospect for Southwest. We’re just going to cut that team? Fudge that.

I can’t help but notice that Lamar didn’t propose consolidating Northwest CC, the school in his district. Wonder why that is?

Leave the 17ing JUCOs alone and fix the actual corruption in our state government.
While I think you speak from a biased perspective (and selfish), I do agree with you. JUCOs is one of the few places we actually INVEST in this state. We should not be trying to cut cut cut.

MS does not have a savings problem, it has an income problem. And the citizens are too stupid to see it.

And no, there isn’t as much waste as you and others think, at least in the state government.
 

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The “you people” comment wasn’t pointed directly at you. It’s directed to anyone saying “just cut Juco athletics… it’s not worth anything.” (To grossly paraphrase). I can not speak for every sport, but I’ve been raising a softballer who’s in her 9th year of playing. I have put a lot of time, money, and effort into it. She has put everything she has into it. Any bill that limits her college playing opportunities, I oppose.

Anyway… I’ve read every article I could find on the subject. None of them actually discuss the athletic side of this issue. So I have no idea how it plays out. But I agree that the bill probably stands no chance to pass. Just to much politics involved. To that I say good.
I put a lot of time, money, and effort into being an astronaut. Didn’t work out. Nor do I think the MS taxpayer should have funded it. Not being an a^^, but perhaps focus on the long-term?
 

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I’ve long been pro-Mississippi JUCO athletics.

It’s a natural (at least to Mississippi when considering the Jucos’ historical development here) extension of the community colleges’ mission to educate and prepare Mississippians to be successful…

I support the idea to the point that I donate to a JUCO athletics fund.
 
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I put a lot of time, money, and effort into being an astronaut. Didn’t work out. Nor do I think the MS taxpayer should have funded it. Not being an a^^, but perhaps focus on the long-term?I

I put a lot of time, money, and effort into being an astronaut. Didn’t work out. Nor do I think the MS taxpayer should have funded it. Not being an a^^, but perhaps focus on the long-term?

Well welcome to the discussion Mr. Helper… way to chime in and come off like a total *******.

I guess I can just go tell Jr that there is no need for her twice a week pitching lesson. Mr. McClure didn’t make it as an astronaut, so no need for her to play Juco softball.

Dubmass.

By your logic, Dak Prescott should have just given up his dream of being a QB because everyone kept telling him he was a tight end.

The correct topic is political corruption and incompetence, NOT the MS Juco system.

And Thank you Goat for solidifying yourself as the biggest dumbass on the board. EVERY parent on this 17ing board is selfish for their children. Unashamedly. So 17 you!
 
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And Thank you Goat for solidifying yourself as the biggest dumbass on the board. EVERY parent on this 17ing board is selfish for their children. Unashamedly. So 17 you!
You put yourself out there bruh. You are being overly emotional due to your own situation. That’s why you’re trying to push the topic toward some mythical corruption.

In this instance I do happen to agree with you. I have no kids in JUCO so I see it a little more clearly.
 

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You put yourself out there bruh. You are being overly emotional due to your own situation. That’s why you’re trying to push the topic toward some mythical corruption.

In this instance I do happen to agree with you. I have no kids in JUCO so I see it a little more clearly.

I’ll concede that point. I am emotional about it and I did put my business out there.

But mythical corruption?? The Feds gave Jackson $700mil ($770 total mil) to fix the water issue and it’s not fixed. Brother, that is the definition of corruption and incompetence. And some of us are worrying about a 2.5mil athletic budget on programs that turn a profit. Thats insanity.
 

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But mythical corruption?? The Feds gave Jackson $700mil ($770 total mil) to fix the water issue and it’s not fixed. Brother, that is the definition of corruption and incompetence. And some of us are worrying about a 2.5mil athletic budget on programs that turn a profit. Thats insanity.
I think you’d be surprised how much stuff costs today. And too many people are involved now for there to be much fraud in the water system. Too many eyes, corruption usually flies under the radar and is confined to a few people.

But facts are, we’re talking about state funding. I want to see exactly where the money would go before we cut anything.
 

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Well welcome to the discussion Mr. Helper… way to chime in and come off like a total *******.

I guess I can just go tell Jr that there is no need for her twice a week pitching lesson. Mr. McClure didn’t make it as an astronaut, so no need for her to play Juco softball.

Dubmass.

By your logic, Dak Prescott should have just given up his dream of being a QB because everyone kept telling him he was a tight end.

The correct topic is political corruption and incompetence, NOT the MS Juco system.

And Thank you Goat for solidifying yourself as the biggest dumbass on the board. EVERY parent on this 17ing board is selfish for their children. Unashamedly. So 17 you!
Do you sit with a deep leg cross? The emotion with which you discuss this topic screams estrogenic rage. Perhaps a supporter of gyno fascism?

By your logic, Miss Junior Miss Softball had the potential to be a starter in the SEC or ultimately picked in the first round of the NSL (National Softball League) and receive a $10mil signing bonus? Dreams are wonderful things. Unfortunately, they should be tempered with reality. And if JUCO softball is the dream? Well…

I completely agree most of those sitting in Jackson are incompetent a^^hats. I know of at least one State representative who’s never had a job. Mid-50s and NEVER had a real job. Many others can’t spell representative. Only voters can fix that.