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Art I didn’t know you changed your name moving over from rivals. Can’t keep up with who is who anymore. Lol
Someone else took Art before I got here. Must have been a real creative type.
Guessing that he's on another On3 site, so too complicated, not that it would have turned out differently anyway.
The PSACs, for example, are developing specific programs that are surpassing what PSU can offer at often 2-3x the rate. I've done a lot of comparisons over the last 10 years with my four kids based on their interests. We are not in-state PA. And its obvious PA is in general is more expensive for OOS tuition. Okay but to attend in-state in PA is $33k the last time I checked. That's expensive for most families. OOS is (conservatively) 52k. And PSU doesn't offer much in merit schollies. What programs at PSU warrant those in-state or OOS costs? I have two kids who beat the North Carolina in-state rate and went to schools in Ohio and NM in noted programs. I couldn't get anywhere close to PSU's numbers with or without merit when I did the analysis.
Something is wrong at PSU -- why specifically should a parent be excited about those prices? What is it my child is getting? What am I buying? A downtown experience and big-time sports?
The longer we alums pretend there isn't an issue, the longer it will take to fix.
No, the 18% is a vestige of another time but boosts the quality of the OOS candidates. UNC only has 16k undergrads. Compare that to B10 schools who are often 2x, 3x and 4x larger in enrollment.
Something is wrong at PSU -- why specifically should a parent be excited about those prices? What is it my child is getting? What am I buying?
this is very similar to buying a new Porsche. Porsche prints money cause everyone stands in line waiting for a car. If you don’t want it, next buyer up. Because the 718 is going electric in ‘25, they’ve jacked up the price $13k between 2022-2024 and it’s quite possible I won’t even get an allocation.
The solution of course, like any business you’re unhappy with, is stop buying. They’ll lean out accordingly. Any parent that pays for a non vocational degree at State is a dope (or rich)
this is very similar to buying a new Porsche. Porsche prints money cause everyone stands in line waiting for a car. If you don’t want it, next buyer up. Because the 718 is going electric in ‘25, they’ve jacked up the price $13k between 2022-2024 and it’s quite possible I won’t even get an allocation.
The solution of course, like any business you’re unhappy with, is stop buying. They’ll lean out accordingly. Any parent that pays for a non vocational degree at State is a dope (or rich)
NYU , Med , has recently gone to tuition free format. They also offer an accelerated 3 year program. Columbia Med. does offer an aggressive financial aid based on need. Columbia has always been a tough admission. NYU jumped up into a very tough admission with the tuition free format. Einstein will be very hard to gain admission moving forward. Weil Cornell, which is also in Manhattan, takes the meh approach on financial aid.
Former professor gives $1 billion to NYC medical school to pay for student tuition
A former Albert Einstein College of Medicine professor is donating $1 billion to the New York City school, the largest gift of its type ever given in the United States, to pay the tuition of all of its students, the institution said on Monday. Dr. Ruth Gottesman is making the donation from the...www.yahoo.com
Conversely, this happened....
If anyone is looking to get into medical school after a career in a non-traditional pathway (i.e. engineering) there are programs called post-baccalaureate that are an interesting option.
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They are both 2nd degree black belts in TKD. Daughter was all league in rifle. Son can run, ski , or swim all day long without fatigue. Daughter also worked on missle technology. We might have to go Reacher on you. So don't get that bumper sticker just yet.
I think in engineering there is value in the number of alums out there, and so many on campus lab opportunities for research. Externships at Sandia National Lab, and Air Force Research Lab and Argonne were in play for my mech eng. For my #2, he was a very good sax player. He loves music but is smart enough to know that from a career standpoint there are not many opportunities and a lot more talented people. He got to not only play in the Blue Band, but also in studio, and in campus musical groups. A lot of schools box out non-music majors in these type of endeavors.
I think part of the allure of Penn State is so many opportunities outside the classroom. There is a wide variety of sports, arts, and intellectual choices. But obviously you have to put the effort and time in to take advantage of it.
The big disadvantages I see other than cost are that it is a huge place and easy to get swallowed up in academic or social life. You have to find a place to hang your hat. There is not a lot of academic hand holding. You have to be a self-starter.
I would like to see a better graduate degree placement center for jobs at PSU.
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Except Porsche's mission is not to educate the sons and daughters of the Commonwealth
So you’re cool with extortion? I mean, victims of it typically do view it as the best option.
NYU Medical has been tuition free to all, irrespective of financial need,, since 2018. Its undergraduate divisions are some of the most expensive schools in the country and overall financial aid sucks.
Thanks to a gift from the Vagelos family, there is considerable need-based financial aid at Physicians & Surgeons (Columbia), but in no way does it approach the generosity of NYU and Einstein. Nonetheless, it is leagues better than most med schools. Columbia undergrad is tuition free for most students from families with incomes of less than $66k, but falls short of its brethren at Harvard, Princeton, and Yale
Maybe PSU should be converted into a for-profit enterprise. Wonder how long it would survive in its current form and management.
There are a ton of Penn State alum in Maryland and northern Virginia but I’m seeing less and less kids from this area even apply to Penn State anymore. Many of them now are heading to schools in the south such as Clemson, South Carolina, Coastal Carolina, Alabama and Auburn. In talking to the kids and parents that are heading to those places you’ll see that the two biggest reasons are the tuition cost and the improving programs at the southern schools. so, even Penn Staters are realizing they can get much more bang for their buck other places.
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Well, not very long. But the only difference between for-profit and not-for-profit enterprises is their tax status. Both must have revenues that meet or exceed expenses over the long term or they cease to exist.
Yes, both can use the surplus for the group/people it was created to benefit (owners of capital or charity case) most likely defined in the founding documents.
NFP are limited as the purpose of the NFP is limited.
FP are not as limited as the owner(s) usually can decide.
We are really saying the same thing.
With every post you remove whatever doubt remains that you are a dipshlt.
Don’t you wonder if our gov leaders could survive if results were measured? In what business environment can you survive over promising and under delivering every quarter ? (answer is none businesses)
Do you have to make an effort to be a dumshlt or is it something that just comes natural?
The biggest fallacy or misconception about government is when people compare it to the private sector. Government is not a for profit business; it is break even at best. The difference between a CEO and an elected representative is when the private company goes to sh*t, and it probably will, the CEO has the government to bail him out. In large part because when you operate a for profit business, things like oversight, care, financial responsibility, etc. are thrown out the window. Why? Government bailout. Private companies need government regulation, oversight, and intervention because we've seen what they do without guardrails. They f*ck sh*t up.