PSU - Iowa '26 Match Thread

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Yeah, I thought it odd Angelo got hit with the stall in the 1st, and then was given a pass the rest of the way. Several opportunities, for a second or third stall call IMO
I think it was hard to do because Welsh was just stalking and head snapping. I believe the strategy to be correct but when not engaging either hard to call stealing unless you go double stall.
 
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What was the noise making at CHA during the 285 match? Was it a bunch of locals cheering on Kueter?
The Iowa fan next to me explained: when Cassopi was with Iowa the crowd would make the “OOO” sound during the match. Apparently they haven’t let it go to this date.
Sounded like a bunch of hoot owls 🦉. Got annoying after a while. Even the Iowa fan agreed.
 

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I think it was hard to do because Welsh was just stalking and head snapping. I believe the strategy to be correct but when not engaging either hard to call stealing unless you go double stall.
I disagree. Repeatedly dropping to a knee and initiating zero offense from the position is as blatant a stall as the guy who backs straight to the edge and circles backwards from from there, always retreating with zero offensive attempts. Get up and wrestle.
 

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I disagree. Repeatedly dropping to a knee and initiating zero offense from the position is as blatant a stall as the guy who backs straight to the edge and circles backwards from from there, always retreating with zero offensive attempts. Get up and wrestle.
If he was constantly attacking from that position, it could be argued that he’s just using it to set up his takedowns. That’s not stalling. But when you’re just holding in that position to prevent the other guy from attacking, that’s stalling, pure and simple.
 
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You are truly a clown show
I don’t know what your beef is with this guy. He makes great points:
1) Our guys really need to learn how to create angles .
2) We can’t do what we always do and let up on the gas at the end of the season.

Would’ve easily won that dual 50-0 last night if Sunshine was in the chair. I think Nick Lee was thinking the same thing.

***** wink wink
 

AgSurfer

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I don’t know what your beef is with this guy. He makes great points:
1) Our guys really need to learn how to create angles .
2) We can’t do what we always do and let up on the gas at the end of the season.

Would’ve easily won that dual 50-0 last night if Sunshine was in the chair. I think Nick Lee was thinking the same thing.

***** wink wink
See my previous post above. I think there’s some strong evidence that Sunshine has posted on this board before under a legendary moniker.
 
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zzs006

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I don’t know what your beef is with this guy. He makes great points:
1) Our guys really need to learn how to create angles .
2) We can’t do what we always do and let up on the gas at the end of the season.

Would’ve easily won that dual 50-0 last night if Sunshine was in the chair. I think Nick Lee was thinking the same thing.

***** wink wink
They also need to hit the weights hard of course…
 

Psalm 1 guy

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I rewatched the dual this morning. The one thing that really stood out was Penn State’s edge wrestling. The constant ability to be the wrestler that circles in and puts his opponent’s back to the edge of the circle.

See my previous post above. I think there’s some strong evidence that Sunshine has posted on this board before under a well known moniker.
Go Sunshine Spyker, go!
 

Aardvark86

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So today I watched vid of a handful of matches. While obviously there were some relatively close ones, I was struck by the fact that even when Iowa wrestlers were taking shots, one just never had the sense that the psu guys were seriously at risk very much. Despite the irony that they were clearly the more offensive team.

Some of the matches just weren’t as close as the scores might have suggested
 
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Are we not counting the Iowa Community College kid because he isn't D1?

Not sure why that loss doesn't count, but Baily is not a Top 10 wrestler based on his record to-date. The takedown Davis gave up early in the 1st Period was just plain bad Neutral defense in that situation (i.e., < 1 minute into match). It was not an insanely great attack - it was a very vanilla attack that should have been defended (Davis was the taller wrestler and he was standing almost straight up pushing into Bailey when he got taken down).
 
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The problem with a 5 count is Angelo went to his knee 32 times. What needs to happen is the third time he goes to his knee it is a stall call.

The ref also should have hit him with a stall for his lazy walk getting back to the center to restart.
Yes, a 5 count is too long. If Pyle's stats are correct the average time Angelo spent on he knee was less than 5 seconds. That was without a rule. A 5 count would barely impact the tactic.
 

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I don’t know what your beef is with this guy. He makes great points:
1) Our guys really need to learn how to create angles .
2) We can’t do what we always do and let up on the gas at the end of the season.

Would’ve easily won that dual 50-0 last night if Sunshine was in the chair. I think Nick Lee was thinking the same thing.

***** wink wink
God, was i relieved to see the wink, wink.
 

zzs006

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So today I watched vid of a handful of matches. While obviously there were some relatively close ones, I was struck by the fact that even when Iowa wrestlers were taking shots, one just never had the sense that the psu guys were seriously at risk very much. Despite the irony that they were clearly the more offensive team.

Some of the matches just weren’t as close as the scores might have suggested
Agreed. And the one that looked super dangerous SVN turned into a 7 point move for himself. I thought he was dead to rights. Never count that dude out
 

Psalm 1 guy

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If Eddie Haskel was a wrestler…
Definitely dating myself with that one.
I had an Eddie Haskell-esque officer work for me once. I even nicknamed him Eddie Haskell! I kept getting all these citizen complaints on him that he was rude and overbearing, etc. When I would ask him about the complaints he swore that he had no idea how any citizen could be upset with him since he was nothing but kind and professional with everyone : ).
 

AgSurfer

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I had an Eddie Haskell-esque officer work for me once. I even nicknamed him Eddie Haskell! I kept getting all these citizen complaints on him that he was rude and overbearing, etc. When I would ask him about the complaints he swore that he had no idea how any citizen could be upset with him since he was nothing but kind and professional with everyone : ).
I’m sure you know that the real life Eddie Haskell, Ken Osmond, joined the LAPD sometime after his acting career ended. He was actually shot while on duty but lived through the incident. He passed away in 2020.
 

Psalm 1 guy

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Yes, a 5 count is too long. If Pyle's stats are correct the average time Angelo spent on he knee was less than 5 seconds. That was without a rule. A 5 count would barely impact the tactic.
I agree with some recent comments from Pyles on this topic before the dual. He said the NCAA doesn't need to make a new rule for this. They just need to call it as generic "no action" stalling. If more officials would consistently treat it as stalling then wrestlers like Angelo would have to adapt. If officials called it as stalling early and consistently in matches then things would change. @El_Jefe has talked about this for years. If officials would simply call stalling properly then there would be no need to enact additional rules. It seems obvious to me that consistently going to one knee when you are not attacking or being attacked with a clear TD attempt surely meets the current stalling rules, which are:

SECTION 7. STALLING Art. 1. Description. One or both wrestlers attempting to avoid wrestling action as an offensive or defensive strategy Art. 2. Initiating Action. Action is to be maintained throughout the match by the wrestlers staying near the center of the mat and wrestling aggressively in all positions (top, bottom or neutral)
 

El_Jefe

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I agree with some recent comments from Pyles on this topic before the dual. He said the NCAA doesn't need to make a new rule for this. They just need to call it as generic "no action" stalling. If more officials would consistently treat it as stalling then wrestlers like Angelo would have to adapt. If officials called it as stalling early and consistently in matches then things would change. @El_Jefe has talked about this for years. If officials would simply call stalling properly then there would be no need to enact additional rules. It seems obvious to me that consistently going to one knee when you are not attacking or being attacked with a clear TD attempt surely meets the current stalling rules, which are:

SECTION 7. STALLING Art. 1. Description. One or both wrestlers attempting to avoid wrestling action as an offensive or defensive strategy Art. 2. Initiating Action. Action is to be maintained throughout the match by the wrestlers staying near the center of the mat and wrestling aggressively in all positions (top, bottom or neutral)
I disagree strongly with Pyles on this.

Every recent stalling-related rule change happened because the NCAA waited decades for NCAA refs to call stalling, and finally ran out of patience.

How many more decades do we need to wait until the NCAA realizes NCAA refs aren't gonna call this version of stalling either?

The only way this doesn't require a rule change is if the NCAA Head Referee makes this an offseason point of emphasis, complete with training, and enforces it with assignments/non-assignments to the NCAA Tournament and conference qualifier tourneys. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking.

BTW, if I'm Brands, I am the one sending Ferrari's tape to the NCAA Head Ref. Ferrari is athletic, skilled, and explosive -- when he wants to be. Getting him off his knee would be possibly the best thing he could do.
 
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TwoJoints

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It does look like his left leg is wide open but you have to beat his head/hands to actually get there. That’s why it’s an effective strategy. In most baseline defense you have to drop your level to defend a shot with your head/hands but he’s already super low being on his knee. To really attack that leg you need to hit a drag or something similar with his left arm to clear his defense on that side. Seems easy but clearly it’s not. Also, his leg is so far back. You need to really penetrate to reach it and can’t go straight on. It’s seems like a sweep single should work but I don’t think you can penetrate as far as you need doing that. It’s a super tough position to beat which is why he constantly uses it. It’s just boring as **** though and hard for him to generate offense from as well
If he sticks with that strategy through B1G10s into NCAAs and has a deep run the TV people aren’t going to be too happy. Boring does not hold an audience’s interest. Prior to the semis they can just move to another mat but for the semis and finals they would be pretty well struck.
 

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Every coach pushes the old "stall for 2 1/2 periods and try to win at the end" strategy but they don't realize that kids don't want to go out there and try not to lose, they want to try and win (except Ford Festiva, that guy is a born loser). Like others have said there's no way top, blue chip kids are going to want to wrestle like that.
 
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I saw that too it was a cool moment
I'm not sure if anyone saw early in the match from the lower camera facing the Penn State coaches. Nick Lee got up and yelled some advice to PSU wrestler. He sat down and I'm thinking he thought he may have overstepped his role. He said something to Cael. ,who smiled and gave Nick a pat on his knee to confirm it wasn't an issue . It was something a father figure would do.
Maybe someone can confirm what bout it was.