POLL Public education
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I don't care how it gets done I'm all about bottom-line results. Show results or stop operating.
The scale is different. It won’t be a competition at all. There are other factors, such as the ability to remove students with discipline issues more easily. Curriculum differences that do not have to adhere to national standard. Technology and equipment. Smaller class sizes. More parent involvement. Right now, the current doesn’t automatically take good students into the private schools, but they will if more private schools are built and parents receive vouchers for tuition.
Competition? Sure. But let the market determine it only.
Administrators are not empowered. Teachers are not empowered. Parents are not involved. Etc.... are you saying there are NO good public schools?
I would say that. That isn't to say there aren't any good teachers. However, the curriculum is cookie cutter one size fits all teach for the tests. Get that crap out of here.
Why are you satisfied with your tax dollars going to something that doesn't work?
Seems to me if we're paying for something we should at least expect results.
No I'm saying in the cases where
those issues you pointed out previously are not working, we need to encourage more of what does work and as I see it the biggest obstacle to that is government bureaucracy.
I'm seeing results at my public school that my kids attend. So, my tax dollars are well spent. You speak as if ALL public schools are failing.....
I absolutely agree. Classrooms must be seen as a living breathing entity...each is different and must get the respect and care it deserves in order for there to be effective education
I say let the market and the availability of school choice dollars determine which schools are developed to meet the specific needs of parents requiring specific instruction for their students.
One-size-fits-all government simply cannot address those issues.
Yes we are and yes it is a major difference between us but aren't you arguing that right now teachers and administrators do not have the ability or are not empowered to make necessary changes?
Why not?
Well I read you arguing for more localized control more flexibility and more adaptability in curriculum. You don't have that in government schools right now but you do in private schools.
No the ones that work we need more of them. If some public schools are producing results I have no issue with them. I'm interested in making sure that all schools perform regardless.
True, so why do we exclude them from public education? I'm simply suggesting that they be added into the mix. Count them as public schools if you wish just allow them to compete for the dollars that are already being spent.
You are far from curious. All your questions are a setup for a gotcha moment, thus the Angler fish...
OK...so what advantage in your mind does the Government running schools with it's heavy handed bureaucracy provide you offering the types of indivudualized customized administrator/teacher input you've already correctly pointed out is needed to produce better results?
Why do you need Government in the middle of that equation? It doesn't exist in private schools.
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I support a liberal education, I don't support a Liberal indoctrination which has been occurring the last 50 years...
It's amazing to me how the very remedies that are offered as a solution to the public schools currently exist in private education.
There is no indoctrination with private schools, only results that parents get to test and measure and decide for themselves whether their dollars have been properly spent.
What do you do with the "poor" teachers as you hire the new higher paid "good" but inexperienced teachers. You can't fire them as it won't be allowed by the teachers unions...
Once again you are arguing for school choice vouchers because that is the mechanism that assures what you are concerned about. The money is already being spent, vouchers simply assure that we get something for what we're spending.
The good and poor should be evaluated by administrators on the job over a period of time. Principals should be removed if they are not evaluating properly.
Ironically the current system guarantees the exact opposite of what you are most concerned about. Kids are being denied quality education based on their socioeconomic status and we're still spending the money!
On any terms. The dollars will simply flow to where results are being produced. Competition for those dollars assures more quality options.
Correct. Focus on producing better quality by making changes in the current system through competition, merit-based pay, school choice vouchers and tested measured results.