How? Can you speak to the evaluation process they use, or are you just talking out your ***?
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Not all cars are the same not all houses are the same not all clothing stores are the same not all restaurants are the same but through their competition they offer their customers quality Choice options which they get to choose from according to what their needs and their desires are.
Apply that same formula to education.
Not all colleges and universities are the same not all offer the same curriculum or provide the same emphasis but there are plenty of quality options available for those who choose certain schools that best meet their specific needs.
Let's bring that same Dynamic down to the primary education level.
Apply that same formula to education.
Not all colleges and universities are the same not all offer the same curriculum or provide the same emphasis but there are plenty of quality options available for those who choose certain schools that best meet their specific needs.
Let's bring that same Dynamic down to the primary education level.
I don't know many private schools that are operating successfully by producing failing students. I know plenty of public schools that are operating and producing failing students. Any private schools that aren't producing solid results for their customers don't stay open very long. Public Schools that are not producing results for parents get more funding.
I have no problem holding management or administrators accountable for the dollars that are offered to them but as in the case of merit-based pay for teachers they also should be held to standards of performance by results.
You don't even recognize your own bias in your statements.........Again, you said "if SOME public schools are producing...." This is very telling......
Thats unAmerican ! Everybody should get the same pay for the same job, no matter the results of job performance...
Shirley honey, make sense or STFU. Completely a ridiculous post in this thread.
Perhaps but maybe we're looking in the wrong areas. Private schools go to many varied sources to find their instructors and often they are drawn directly from the private Marketplace. In fact the best instructors come directly from those professions that they are empowered to teach. I learned journalism through Frank Kearns and Professor Paul Creamer who were in fact journalists.
Mastery of the required material that curriculum administrators put together.
Testing is certainly one component of that but also practical application in terms of the student's ability to apply what has been taught. You can do that through peer evaluations or comparisons to other curriculum in other areas or however you choose to define success.
Standardized testing has a place in this but it should also be specialized testing to assure that specific performance requirements or objectives are being achieved.
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Not necessarily but in a merit-based system the teachers who best meet the qualifications will command better salaries.
As better teachers are attracted to better curriculum and programs more dollars will flow to pay those salary demands.
It's just like anything in the private sector that works successfully. The more customers you attract, the more dollars you will be able to pay those people who are selling your goods or services.
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I didn’t say it can’t be done. I said it’s not that easy, it requires effective principals to implement a thorough and comprehensive evaluation process that ensures proper and effective education is taking place - otherwise teachers teach to tests
I’m education though....you are seriously misjudging the supply and demand aspect of the equation.
Not sure about the OP but I'm actually arguing getting government out of public education. At least that is the end result of the policies I am advocating.
Not really, it's a service provided just like anything else that has a cost attached to it just like anything else.
The problem with the left and right is they have let reality denying equalitarian ******** infiltrate their thinking and instituted an education system that doesn't prepare kids to be productive citizens.
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And that’s where we are way apart on this issue. But there was common ground....even between a chubby brained d-bag like you and a hypocritical whiny little ***** like me
Not arguing that just offering different performance metrics that students can be evaluated on.
I'm sympathetic to the difficulty of precisely measuring performance standards but the standards have to have some form of measurement in order to determine whether they are adequate to meet performance objectives.
In my business it's gross profit per unit. We have certain performance metrics we have to meet in order to achieve those standards that are set by management.
I'm not in education but I don't see how it would function much differently.
You may be surprised but I agree with a lot of what you posted in this thread. We Just disagree over the role of government to achieve that.
There are social advances I seek in students that are practically impossible to measure on paper, but have a direct impact on a student’s success in any field. Critical thinking is difficult to evaluate from someone outside the classroom. Tolerance and acceptance are a part of learning, imo. It’s not all texts and careers, imo.
I agree with that. In fact I think the whole education system is not geared towards practical application of the everyday reality these kids face in our current capitalistic free enterprise economy.
Most of them come out completely ignorant of not only how our economy is setup and functions but the entire government around it.
Agreed. Maybe instead of you teaching your students you could learn something from them?
K-6 teach the basics
7-8 start to separate kids based on interests and ability.
9-12 train those able and interested to attend secondary education.
train those able and interested in the beginnings of a skilled trade.
train those that aren't able or interested to perform jobs that will enable them to be productive capable citizens.
7-8 start to separate kids based on interests and ability.
9-12 train those able and interested to attend secondary education.
train those able and interested in the beginnings of a skilled trade.
train those that aren't able or interested to perform jobs that will enable them to be productive capable citizens.
To start the process yes. Their interests as well as aptitude will help with the process.
How do you evaluate tolerance? You either like somebody or you don't?
My tolerance level is very low for people I don't like.
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I did for my kids, in fact I insisted on it.
They didn't have to make final decisions but I wanted them to be thinking about what they were going to do in two or three years on their own?