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I plan of doing a state wide ROCS (Regardless of Class Size) poll (in a week or two) and for now basically the only real Q in my mind is where would both SHG and Rochester fall in the current Chicagoland Top 25-30 polls?

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edgytim said:
I plan of doing a state wide ROCS (Regardless of Class Size) poll (in a week or two) and for now basically the only real Q in my mind is where would both SHG and Rochester fall in the current Chicagoland Top 25-30 polls?

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Based on me seeing both these teams play this year and basing this on what I know of Chicago area teams historically I would put SHG in the 4-6 range with Montini and Rochester in the 12-15 Range
 
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I don't think Rochester would beat a lot of the bigger schools on your list so somewhere around 25-30 and SHG 10-15
 
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godfthr53 said:
I don't think Rochester would beat a lot of the bigger schools on your list so somewhere around 25-30 and SHG 10-15
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I think you would be surprised. Rochester has 3 legit D1 Receivers and they are all Juniors. If you put Montini in top 5 there is no way SHG is 10-15
 
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Shepards coach came away pretty impressed with the Cyclones. 53 points 733 yards offense and played a very sloppy game fumbling 3X inside the 5 2 RB over 100 yards and 3rd in 80's. Listen to his interview in the SJ-R
 
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Do not forget about Althoff, which may very well beat Rochester in the Quarterfinals.
 
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Montini and SHG right by each other, somewhere between 4-8, Rochester somewhere around 10-12.

Haven't seen Althoff, but interested.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
Knowing how to win will be the difference between Althoff and Rochester
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Maybe ... but the juniors on this years played the state finals in basketball as sophomores so the big stage should not be too scary for them. There is a TON of pressure when anything less than a state title is considered failure.
 
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crusader_of_90 said:
Maybe ... but the juniors on this years played the state finals in basketball as sophomores so the big stage should not be too scary for them. There is a TON of pressure when anything less than a state title is considered failure.
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Rochester has ALOT of weapons...The cox twins who were transfers in this year are the real deal. Stallworth is a 6'4 receiver and their running back is very very good this year. They are all juniors
 
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mchsalumni said:
I'd disagree on Rochester being ahead of Phillips at this point.
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Phillips may be better than last year....but so is Rochester. Their offense significantly. We heard the same hype about Phillips vs Rochester last year, and all Rochester was able to do is almost put a running clock on them. Until proven otherwise, Rochester deserves the respect.
 
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Last year has nothing to do with this year, and the dismantling of Rochester by SHG doesn't build confidence.
 
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crusader_of_90 said:
Maybe ... but the juniors on this years played the state finals in basketball as sophomores so the big stage should not be too scary for them. There is a TON of pressure when anything less than a state title is considered failure.
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Young/ Ferguson are seniors with Colden and Goodwin being juniors. Althoff beat collinsville on the very last play of the game. It's not about handling pressure, its know how to win. Being nervous is something totally different. Knowing how to win is from both a Coach and player perspective. It's calling the right kind of plays, it's taking the right kind of chances. Football and Basketball are totally different. Right now, Rochester have to find out how to lose. They have been very impressive in the post season. I will also mention that Rochester destroyed Althoff two years ago in the playoffs.
 
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mship1975 said:
I think you would be surprised. Rochester has 3 legit D1 Receivers and they are all Juniors. If you put Montini in top 5 there is no way SHG is 10-15
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Sounds like Rochester is junior-dominated. If they win their 6th consecutive 4A title, seems like it would be a great time to finally petition up and play in 5A. If I was a part of the IHSA "braintrust", I'd gather some of my influential public school brethren and have a talk with Derek Leonard and the Rochester administration. I'd attempt to explain to them that all of these consecutive titles is making the "success factor" policy look bad. I'd strongly suggest that Rochester petition up, so the selectivity (non-boundried schools only) of the "success factor" policy is not on full display for it's obvious bias.

Let's face it. The success of the Rochester football program is making a mockery of the "success factor" policy, and it's limited application.
 
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So wait. Public school Rochester has won consecutive state titles, they have "real deal" players transferring in from other schools (who undoubtedly contribute to the teams overall success) and somehow the "success factor" doesn't apply to them? I know this is a worn out topic meant for another thread, but makes my skin crawl every time.
 
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mchsalumni said:
Last year has nothing to do with this year, and the dismantling of Rochester by SHG doesn't build confidence.
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Rochester IS BETTER THAN LAST YEAR. Maybe best of all the RHS teams last few yrs. SHG is also better this year in my opinion. I watch a lot of SHG football as edgy knows.
 
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RJ130 said:
So wait. Public school Rochester has won consecutive state titles, they have "real deal" players transferring in from other schools (who undoubtedly contribute to the teams overall success) and somehow the "success factor" doesn't apply to them? I know this is a worn out topic meant for another thread, but makes my skin crawl every time.
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The cox twins were starters on the Williamsville 3A state runner up team last year
 
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mchsalumni said:
Last year has nothing to do with this year, and the dismantling of Rochester by SHG doesn't build confidence.
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I've seen this mentioned by a few posters, but let's look at the results from the last two years:

Last year, SHG put a running clock on Rochester, with the final score 56-13.
This year, SHG beat Rochester, with the final score 53-34.

If Rochester getting clocked last year didn't diminish confidence, why does it this year? Rochester put up a better fight (their offensive is a lot better, the best I've seen it since they joined the CS8) and SHG's defense is pretty good (similar, maybe slightly better against the run), but their secondary isn't quite as deep and talented as their receiving corp in a near mirror match (this is historically an issue with SHG that SHG solves with big plays when it counts and a bend but don't break mentality). One thing I'm sure of is that Rochester will not encounter another defensive line as large, physical, and disciplined in their march for their sixth consecutive title. They also will not face another offense that can put up 700+ yards offense on a bad day.

I'd echo the other posters in that it's difficult to compare what SHG has done in the south to Chicagoland, except to state that they've looked very similar to past SHG teams and seem headed for a rematch against Montini. I'm probably a homer, but from watching other games online, I don't see that many 7A and 8A schools that definitively beat SHG every time.
 
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My question is when will Rochester be investigated? And if you're asking what I'm implying, the answer is "Yes"
 
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Robert Maszak said:
My question is when will Rochester be investigated? And if you're asking what I'm implying, the answer is "Yes"
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Are you implying that the stream of transfers to Rochester helps restock the cupboard? That the Cox twins, both of whom were held back in the 8th grade, are ringers?
 
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And Rochester may give up 90 that same game, but both need to win next week, as evidenced by the A-Hole post, or none of it matters.
 
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crusader_of_90 said:
And Rochester may give up 90 that same game, but both need to win next week, as evidenced by the A-Hole post, or none of it matters.
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Rochester will running clock Murphysboro. The twins have indeed "moved" to Rochester. So there is nothing illegal about it. They Should be seniors u are correct there.
 
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I wondered about how common the holding back was in other sports.
It has been fairly common in wrestling.
New Jersey has legislation pending that will restrict the HS eligibility of kids that are held back in 6/7/8 grades who were academically on track. No idea of if this will pass, but there are discussions.
Oops, this seems to be off track from the original post.
SHG 6-12
Rochester 20-25
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
Knowing how to win will be the difference between Althoff and Rochester
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May be one of the truest posts on this board. Nice observation!

pjjp said:
Sounds like Rochester is junior-dominated. If they win their 6th consecutive 4A title, seems like it would be a great time to finally petition up and play in 5A. If I was a part of the IHSA "braintrust", I'd gather some of my influential public school brethren and have a talk with Derek Leonard and the Rochester administration. I'd attempt to explain to them that all of these consecutive titles is making the "success factor" policy look bad. I'd strongly suggest that Rochester petition up, so the selectivity (non-boundried schools only) of the "success factor" policy is not on full display for it's obvious bias.

Let's face it. The success of the Rochester football program is making a mockery of the "success factor" policy, and it's limited application.
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Given the fact that a multiplier was already in effect for non-boundaried (CATHOLIC SCHOOLS!!), the "success punishment factor" policy is already a mockery, but your comment is still valid. I for one do hope that Rochester does win their 6th, 7th, 8th.. etc., straight and that they do NOT petition up. Petioning-up only gives the brain(?)trust at the I(P)HSA some cover. These bullies against 15-18 year old kids do not merit any cover. I for one love when hypocrisy is on parade for all to see. Again, a very thoughtful post by you pjjp!
 
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Ok, now to the topic of this thread. If it were ONLY for the offensive power of Rochester, I would probably put them in the top 25 of the Chicago Area 25-30. They have an above-average
 
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(continued from above, sorry 'bout that) QB in terms of arm strength and knowledge of what his coach wants to do, receivers with above-average speed, and a coach that is scary(good) in terms of his offensive scheming. While the RB is not big, the spread-nature of their offense gives him chances he may not otherwise have to break off good runs. Given the fact that the defense would probably have some problems with some of the better offenses (both in terms of speed and size) I would put them in the 20-25 range.

As for SHG, I am going to pass on this, since anything below 1st would lead to accusations of bashing them, at least according to some posters (still out there Wassup?)>
 
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