QB recruiting..

[LooseCannon]

It's hard to believe, but Keyshawn Jr most likely didn't even have a committable offer from the Buckeyes. They are leading for two much higher rated receivers in Trevon Grimes and Tyjon Lindsay, and are also going hard after Donovan Peoples-Jones, all 3 are in the top 25 overall, while KJ Jr isn't in the top 200. They also lead for Ohio WR Jaylen Harris who is also ranked much higher than Key Jr. The Buckeyes are probably going to sign their highest rated class in the history of their program considering they also lead for several other 5 stars, they are recruiting at an absolutely insane level for 2017. This isn't to try to disparage Key Jr., he's a great prospect who I would imagine almost any other school would take on the spot, just relaying the info. As far as Darnay Holmes goes, the Buckeyes want him badly and he's as high as almost anyone on their board, they say he produced one of the best CB performances they had ever had in camp. I highly doubt they get him though due to distance and who they already have committed and are chasing hard.

BS. His offer to tOSU was legit. His cousin just got done playing at tOSU and Urban isn't stupid. He would take KJJ in a heartbeat for his talent and his connections.

Alabama is the only school that may have stopped recruiting him and told him his spot is in jeopardy if he doesn't commit. Alabama doesn't have to go to the West Coast to get guys when they are all in their own state and nearby Georgia and Florida.

 

[ChiDoc]

BS. His offer to tOSU was legit. His cousin just got done playing at tOSU and Urban isn't stupid. He would take KJJ in a heartbeat for his talent and his connections.

Alabama is the only school that may have stopped recruiting him and told him his spot is in jeopardy if he doesn't commit. Alabama doesn't have to go to the West Coast to get guys when they are all in their own state and nearby Georgia and Florida.

You don't really seem to know anything about the reality of the situation. Ohio State is going to have a small class, only around 20 because when camp opens they will have 45 players on their roster who are either freshman or RS fresman, they can't take that many receivers and have long led for Trevon Grimes, who most have as the number one receiver in the entire class, and other receivers that are much higher rated like Jalyn Harris. You sound like the average poster who has no idea how offers work, the majority of people Ohio State & Alabama recruit DO NOT even have commitable offers. This was why I specifically mentioned it's no slam on Johnson. It's hilarious you act like there is no way this is all true though, thanks for the comedy.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Chidoc, I don't really give a crap what you and elbowow think of our recruits. Exactly what are you guys expecting when you come over here and crap all over their commitments, which is exactly what you both just did. You expect us to say thanks for the insight?

 

[TheBeav815]

I'm sorry, are you guys trying to argue like OSU hasn't had a top-10 class every year since Urban got there? Because they have, and their class will be that good, and if you forgot about their talent level just tune into the draft in a few weeks and watch how many players of theirs get picked.

That fact is totally independent of whether KJJ is a good recruit and whether he will be a good college player.

 

[ChiDoc]

you come over here and crap all over their commitments

Where did I do any such thing? I didn't realize this board had devolved into a place where information is so hurtful that safe spaces are needed?

 

[TheBeav815]

Where did I do any such thing? I didn't realize this board had devolved into a place where information is so hurtful that safe spaces are needed?

Oh, are you not familiar with this sentiment? It works like this: "You will be SUPER excited about everything that happens to NU and you will think all Nebraska's stuff is the best, or you're not really a fan, you like some other team and that means you don't know anything and are not allowed to be here."

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Where did I do any such thing? I didn't realize this board had devolved into a place where information is so hurtful that safe spaces are needed?

You think "We have better commits already" and "We are in on better ones as well" are complimentary?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Oh, are you not familiar with this sentiment? It works like this: "You will be SUPER excited about everything that happens to NU and you will think all Nebraska's stuff is the best, or you're not really a fan, you like some other team and that means you don't know anything and are not allowed to be here."

Yes, I am SUPER excited about KJJ's commitment. As in SUPER excited. I can see how you could parlay my excitement into what you wrote, I mean it's practically the same thing word for word.

 

[TheBeav815]

You think "We have better commits already and are in on better ones" are complimentary?

I think it's speculation that the offer may not have been committable, but OSU has 13 commits and that's two 5* and ten 4*, so it's not a stretch to imagine they're being very aggressive and aiming very high on their remaining slots.

I also think KJJ and what he brings with him means WAY more to Nebraska than it would to OSU or Bama. Their machine is already running at high speed, they eat 5* recruits and crap top-5 classes. Nebraska is battling to get to a higher level and the connections that KJJ brings are very exciting and make him more valuable than just his ranking or his measurables.

It's apples and oranges. To a recruiting behemoth like OSU, he doesn't have the same value as he does to NU because how much higher can they go? They're arguably the #1 recruiting school in the nation, so they look at him more as a pure WR whereas we look at him as a WR and also as a guy who brings a set of keys to some doors we really want/need to open.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

I think it's beyond rude to come to our board and downplay a highly coveted recruit who almost every program in the country would be tickled to have. No less than 2 Buckeye fans have done it now.

 

[hddude55]

KJJ may or may not be as good as OSU's preferred receiver recruits but I'll bet none of them has the potential to draw other recruits like he does. And for our program that potential may be even more important than his individual ability.

 

[TheBeav815]

KJJ may or may not be as good as OSU's preferred receiver recruits but I'll bet none of them has the potential to draw other recruits like he does. And for our program that potential may be even more important than his individual ability.

Exactly. I also get a very good work ethic vibe from him. That sort of Imani/Rex thing where they way he works and carries himself is a benefit to your program

 

[Cornicator]

Just adding some perspective...your current receiver haul would have been 4th or 5th in the B10 East last year:

1) MSU landed four 4* WRs including the top B10 WR recruit in Corley

2) tOSU landed two Rivals 100 WRs and three 4* TEs

3) Michigan landed three 4* WRs (including two 5.9 4*s...both your guys are 5.8) and two 4* TEs

4) Maryland landed a 5.9 4* and whether you would have been 4th or 5th depends on if a 4* athlete they landed ends up at slot

Nationally (your current haul) would probably have been closer to the 20th best class (receiver) than being top 10...NU and fans have every reason to be excited about how things are going...just thought I add the big picture of this.

First of all this whole tone of your post is amusing, and it holds some baring in response to Husker fans clamoring for the current WR recruiting. I can kind of respect your "pump the brakes". However, the argument is pretty irrelevant.

1. Signing day isn't for another 11 months. KJJ and McQuitty could renege and it would all be moot. However, Nebraska will still add another 2 to 3 more wideouts, especially with 3 seniors in 2016. I think they will also look at 2 TE's. Considering some of the National WR's still looking at Nebraska, I would argue they probably end up with 4 or more Four Star receivers. Rivals rankings can also change between now and then. Claiming the current haul would only be 5th best is absurd. Hell, nerbaska only has 3 commits right now. If signing day was tomorrow, that would technicaly be the worst class in the history of college football.



2. Going into 2016, Pro Football Focus has the receiving corp at Nebraska ranked as the #1 Returning Unit in College football. All 3 Starters will play in the NFL. Westerkamp was a 4-star 5.8. Moore was a 4-Star 5.8 athlete, and Brandon Reilly was a walk on. Brandon Reilly or Corley at Michigan State? I'm pretty sure even Michigan State would take Reilly as a Senior over Corely. Stanley Morgan, JR was a 4-Star. Freshman All-American Demornay Pierson-El might be back or he might redshirt. The All Time leading Receiver in California High School football history, Derrion Grim will be added to the mix along with Minnesota's Mr. Football, speedster JD Spielman. Grimm is bigger and stronger version of Pierson- El.


3. Highlighting Grimm and Brandon Reilly brings up my last point. Its in reference to something I've always believed about receiver recruiting. ITS OVERRATED. Guys like Amari Cooper or AJ Green are elite difference makers. If you can get them on your roster, you sign them. But you don't need those guys to win championships. You can win with 3 and 4 Stars, and even some walk ons at the skill positions. Championships are won at QB, along the front 7 on defense, and along the O-line. You obviously need to find the right fit. You don't want to get stuck with Iowa's receivers where only one player even remotely scares an opponent. Brandon Reilly or Corley at Michigan State? I'm pretty sure even Michigan State would take Reilly as a Senior over Corely.

4. Pro Football Focus ranks Nebraska as having the #1 returning WR Unit in college football going into 2016. That unit was ranked #4 in 2015. On one hand, you could argue that unit somehow guided Tommy Armstrong to throw for 3000 yards and 28 touchdowns. However, there is only so much they can do when Tommy is throwing pick sixes to back up Defensive Ends standing still on Tommy's own 2 yard line. You can have all the great wideouts in the world, but it doesn't mean **** if the QB can't muster the forward pass.

.... And that's kind of the initial point to this whole post.

one last note:

Keith Williams, Nebraska WR coach, has sent 4 players to the NFL from his stops. Riley and Langsdorf have sent 5 WR to the NFL and produced 2 Biletnikoff Award winners. I believe in 2017, that NFL number will jump to 7 players for Williams and 8 for Riley and Langs. TE Cethan Carter will also likely be the highest drafted offensive player for the Huskers in 2017...

I would trust the receiving recruits and coaching at Nebraska more than any other program in the Big Ten... irregardless of recruiting rankings.

But you won't see me jumping up and down until Nebraska signs top 100 players along their defensive line.

 

[ChiDoc]

You think "We have better commits already" and "We are in on better ones as well" are complimentary?

I think it's beyond rude to come to our board and downplay a highly coveted recruit who almost every program in the country would be tickled to have. No less than 2 Buckeye fans have done it now.

Hilarious, you remind me of those Emory students whose campus administration provided a safe space with coloring books because someone had written a presidential candidates name in chalk on campus.

 

[TheBeav815]

Hilarious, you remind me of those Emory students whose campus administration provided a safe space with coloring books because someone had written a presidential candidates name in chalk on campus.

Can I get a link on that?

 

[Mr.Scary13]

You don't really seem to know anything about the reality of the situation. Ohio State is going to have a small class, only around 20 because when camp opens they will have 45 players on their roster who are either freshman or RS fresman, they can't take that many receivers and have long led for Trevon Grimes, who most have as the number one receiver in the entire class, and other receivers that are much higher rated like Jalyn Harris. You sound like the average poster who has no idea how offers work, the majority of people Ohio State & Alabama recruit DO NOT even have commitable offers. This was why I specifically mentioned it's no slam on Johnson. It's hilarious you act like there is no way this is all true though, thanks for the comedy.

Mike Riley beat Urban.....get over it.

 

[TheBeav815]

Mike Riley beat Urban.....get over it.

That's an awfully bold statement...

 

[Cornicator]

You don't really seem to know anything about the reality of the situation. Ohio State is going to have a small class, only around 20 because when camp opens they will have 45 players on their roster who are either freshman or RS fresman, they can't take that many receivers and have long led for Trevon Grimes, who most have as the number one receiver in the entire class, and other receivers that are much higher rated like Jalyn Harris. You sound like the average poster who has no idea how offers work, the majority of people Ohio State & Alabama recruit DO NOT even have commitable offers. This was why I specifically mentioned it's no slam on Johnson. It's hilarious you act like there is no way this is all true though, thanks for the comedy.

Its funny that you think Ohio State has better receivers than Nebraska. They do not.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

That's an awfully bold statement...

It's an awfully TRUE statement.

 

[PvilleHuskerTim]

Can I get a link on that?

Here is the link from The Blaze.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...idential-campaign-messages-chalked-on-campus/

 

[TheBeav815]

Here is the link from The Blaze.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...idential-campaign-messages-chalked-on-campus/

The hell is wrong with people...

 

[Soda Popinski]

Here is the link from The Blaze.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...idential-campaign-messages-chalked-on-campus/

This seems like an onion article.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Can you imagine accidentally hiring one of these kids after they graduate? How can people be so easily offended?

Also - the irony of their rights for a safe place means and 'fighting for their freedom' means that nobody can have opposing views is outstanding.

 

[TheBeav815]

Can you imagine accidentally hiring one of these kids after they graduate? How can people be so easily offended?

Also - the irony of their rights for a safe place means and 'fighting for their freedom' means that nobody can have opposing views is outstanding.

My only theory is that these kids are a product of the bubble-wrap parenting that seeks to prevent the child from any/all sources of harm so they never have to experience discomfort. Up until this point I've sort of regarded them like I do leprechauns, in that I have heard of them, but I had a hard time believing they actually existed.

I think if I were writing the company policy, politics would just be discouraged at work in general. We never talk politics at my office, and it suuuuuuure does help everyone get along.

 

[PvilleHuskerTim]

This seems like an onion article.

It is not a made-up story. Here is another link from a person politically opposite of The Blaze article. Lots more like this in numerous media outlets.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...mp_message_i_want_to_dropkick_these_kids.html

 

[DerHusker_rivals270018]

Chidoc, I don't really give a crap what you and elbowow think of our recruits. Exactly what are you guys expecting when you come over here and crap all over their commitments, which is exactly what you both just did. You expect us to say thanks for the insight?

Apparently he was expecting a pat on the back.

 

[GretnaShawn]

My only theory is that these kids are a product of the bubble-wrap parenting that seeks to prevent the child from any/all sources of harm so they never have to experience discomfort. Up until this point I've sort of regarded them like I do leprechauns, in that I have heard of them, but I had a hard time believing they actually existed.

I think if I were writing the company policy, politics would just be discouraged at work in general. We never talk politics at my office, and it suuuuuuure does help everyone get along.

Talking politics would be a small issue with hiring one of these kids. What is going to happen when they are told they screwed something up? What about when something gets stressful and there is a crazy busy day the office? Or better yet, what happens when a client is a jerk to them?

You had better have a diligent and organized HR dept if you ever wanted to fire them.

 

[Hoosker Du]

It's hard to believe, but Keyshawn Jr most likely didn't even have a committable offer from the Buckeyes. They are leading for two much higher rated receivers in Trevon Grimes and Tyjon Lindsay, and are also going hard after Donovan Peoples-Jones, all 3 are in the top 25 overall, while KJ Jr isn't in the top 200. They also lead for Ohio WR Jaylen Harris who is also ranked much higher than Key Jr. The Buckeyes are probably going to sign their highest rated class in the history of their program considering they also lead for several other 5 stars, they are recruiting at an absolutely insane level for 2017. This isn't to try to disparage Key Jr., he's a great prospect who I would imagine almost any other school would take on the spot, just relaying the info. As far as Darnay Holmes goes, the Buckeyes want him badly and he's as high as almost anyone on their board, they say he produced one of the best CB performances they had ever had in camp. I highly doubt they get him though due to distance and who they already have committed and are chasing hard.

You're right, he likely didn't have a committable offer to Ohio State...after Ohio State caught wind of it being down to USC and Nebraska a few weeks ago.

'Don't no one' tell Urban he's second fiddle. He'll just...well he'll...ya know...he'll just pull your scholie is what he'll do.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Chidoc, I don't really give a crap what you and elbowow think of our recruits. Exactly what are you guys expecting when you come over here and crap all over their commitments, which is exactly what you both just did. You expect us to say thanks for the insight?

"Your new baby girl is so cute. Don't worry about the nose. Columbus has some wonderful plastic surgeons that can fix that right up when she gets old enough."

 

[ellobo_rivals188748]

First of all this whole tone of your post is amusing, and it holds some baring in response to Husker fans clamoring for the current WR recruiting. I can kind of respect your "pump the brakes". However, the argument is pretty irrelevant.

1. Signing day isn't for another 11 months. KJJ and McQuitty could renege and it would all be moot. However, Nebraska will still add another 2 to 3 more wideouts, especially with 3 seniors in 2016. I think they will also look at 2 TE's. Considering some of the National WR's still looking at Nebraska, I would argue they probably end up with 4 or more Four Star receivers. Rivals rankings can also change between now and then. Claiming the current haul would only be 5th best is absurd. Hell, nerbaska only has 3 commits right now. If signing day was tomorrow, that would technicaly be the worst class in the history of college football.



2. Going into 2016, Pro Football Focus has the receiving corp at Nebraska ranked as the #1 Returning Unit in College football. All 3 Starters will play in the NFL. Westerkamp was a 4-star 5.8. Moore was a 4-Star 5.8 athlete, and Brandon Reilly was a walk on. Brandon Reilly or Corley at Michigan State? I'm pretty sure even Michigan State would take Reilly as a Senior over Corely. Stanley Morgan, JR was a 4-Star. Freshman All-American Demornay Pierson-El might be back or he might redshirt. The All Time leading Receiver in California High School football history, Derrion Grim will be added to the mix along with Minnesota's Mr. Football, speedster JD Spielman. Grimm is bigger and stronger version of Pierson- El.


3. Highlighting Grimm and Brandon Reilly brings up my last point. Its in reference to something I've always believed about receiver recruiting. ITS OVERRATED. Guys like Amari Cooper or AJ Green are elite difference makers. If you can get them on your roster, you sign them. But you don't need those guys to win championships. You can win with 3 and 4 Stars, and even some walk ons at the skill positions. Championships are won at QB, along the front 7 on defense, and along the O-line. You obviously need to find the right fit. You don't want to get stuck with Iowa's receivers where only one player even remotely scares an opponent. Brandon Reilly or Corley at Michigan State? I'm pretty sure even Michigan State would take Reilly as a Senior over Corely.

4. Pro Football Focus ranks Nebraska as having the #1 returning WR Unit in college football going into 2016. That unit was ranked #4 in 2015. On one hand, you could argue that unit somehow guided Tommy Armstrong to throw for 3000 yards and 28 touchdowns. However, there is only so much they can do when Tommy is throwing pick sixes to back up Defensive Ends standing still on Tommy's own 2 yard line. You can have all the great wideouts in the world, but it doesn't mean **** if the QB can't muster the forward pass.

.... And that's kind of the initial point to this whole post.

one last note:

Keith Williams, Nebraska WR coach, has sent 4 players to the NFL from his stops. Riley and Langsdorf have sent 5 WR to the NFL and produced 2 Biletnikoff Award winners. I believe in 2017, that NFL number will jump to 7 players for Williams and 8 for Riley and Langs. TE Cethan Carter will also likely be the highest drafted offensive player for the Huskers in 2017...

I would trust the receiving recruits and coaching at Nebraska more than any other program in the Big Ten... irregardless of recruiting rankings.

But you won't see me jumping up and down until Nebraska signs top 100 players along their defensive line.

My argument is relevant to the OP. In comparison to what other school's have done on the recruiting trail your current haul is more than solid...it's quite good. However, it doesn't (yet) scream "who wouldn't want to play with these guys." Well, I guess technically there probably isn't a QB in the country thinking they would rather give up football than throw to these guys but let's be honest on what the OP was implying.

Part of recruiting is perception. You make some actual real points about why a WR and/or QB should attend NU and play for your staff but we are talking about if your current WR haul would be perceived by a QB recruit as so strong that it plays into the decision. Coan already gave us that answer when he picked Wisky. Now getting KJJ might have an effect on some guys (well one in particular) but that is because of his personality AND that he is good enough to back it up...but it is not the talent alone that is the draw.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

My argument is relevant to the OP. In comparison to what other school's have done on the recruiting trail your current haul is more than solid...it's quite good. However, it doesn't (yet) scream "who wouldn't want to play with these guys." Well, I guess technically there probably isn't a QB in the country thinking they would rather give up football than throw to these guys but let's be honest on what the OP was implying.

Part of recruiting is perception. You make some actual real points about why a WR and/or QB should attend NU and play for your staff but we are talking about if your current WR haul would be perceived by a QB recruit as so strong that it plays into the decision. Coan already gave us that answer when he picked Wisky. Now getting KJJ might have an effect on some guys (well one in particular) but that is because of his personality AND that he is good enough to back it up...but it is not the talent alone that is the draw.

LOL..... talk about clueless

 

[ellobo_rivals188748]

LOL..... talk about clueless

Don't be so hard on yourself