Quarterback Recrootin - I'm thinking that it's much more likely......

[Railin Jemmye]

....that we end up with Brandon Borgeron or Parker Abramson than either Asiantii Woulard or Josh Dobbs. This of course assuming that Sandberg goes MLB. Guess I'm sort of gun-shy after we were burned by Brunetti, Newton, Nance, and countless others before settling for Favre, who sucked. Even Hud's boy Broadway got away from us. Then Rivers in 2011, and then Voytik, Liggins, and countless others last year, ending up with Schuessler who didn't even stay long enough to prove he sucked. Then we get Golden as a walk-on consolation.

Now, in 2013, we've three supposed high level guys on the horizon. Finally get a game changer committed and now he's going MLB. Call me crazy but I'm just not convinced we get either of the other two, seeing how one is committed to Arizona State and the other only has twitter interest in us.

I guess I expected to attract a bigger fish at this point in Mullen's tenure.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Different situation this year....

I think we missed last year on guys because they knew unless they could beat Dak Prescott out, even if redshirted, they would only play one year.

Only one year difference but I think it matters.

 

[shotgunDawg]

....that we end up with Brandon Borgeron or Parker Abramson than either Asiantii Woulard or Josh Dobbs. This of course assuming that Sandberg goes MLB. Guess I'm sort of gun-shy after we were burned by Brunetti, Newton, Nance, and countless others before settling for Favre, who sucked. Even Hud's boy Broadway got away from us. Then Rivers in 2011, and then Voytik, Liggins, and countless others last year, ending up with Schuessler who didn't even stay long enough to prove he sucked. Then we get Golden as a walk-on consolation.

Now, in 2013, we've three supposed high level guys on the horizon. Finally get a game changer committed and now he's going MLB. Call me crazy but I'm just not convinced we get either of the other two, seeing how one is committed to Arizona State and the other only has twitter interest in us.

I guess I expected to attract a bigger fish at this point in Mullen's tenure.

Gosh we have terrible fans..... BIGGER FISH??? Cord is a 4 star, Dobbs is a 4 star, Woulard is a 4 star. These are the biggest fish we have attracted in the history of our university. What is world is it that you expect? I truly believe that we get either Dobbs or Woulard.

Are you mailing in our QB recruiting in early December when we will get a visit from both of these guys more than likely?

If we do happen to miss out on both Dobbs and Woulard, then it is much more of an indictment on the terrible management of our QB recruiting since we could have had a commitment from Dobbs early in the season, but instead chose to take a commitment from a guy that any pro baseball scout could have told you was going to likely be a high round draft pick. This would be the complaint, not the inability to attract really good talent.

BTW, Cam Newton was a 4 star QB and Bray was a 3 star. QB is the toughest position in sports to accurately evaluate. Due to that, if you get a 4 star, you may have gotten the best QB in the country. We are attracting top QB talent now.

 

[engie]

Gosh we have terrible fans..... BIGGER FISH Cord is a 4 star, Dobbs is a 4 star, Woulard is a 4 star. These are the biggest fish we have attracted in the history of our university. What is world is it that you expect? I truly believe that we get either Dobbs or Woulard.

Are you mailing in our QB recruiting in early December when we will get a visit from both of these guys more than likely?

If we do happen to miss out on both Dobbs and Woulard, then it is much more of an indictment on the terrible management of our QB recruiting since we could have had a commitment from Dobbs early in the season, but instead chose to take a commitment from a guy that any pro baseball scout could have told you was going to likely be a high round draft pick. This would be the complaint, not the inability to attract really good talent.

BTW, Cam Newton was a 4 star QB and Bray was a 3 star. QB is the toughest position in sports to accurately evaluate. Due to that, if you get a 4 star, you may have gotten the best QB in the country. We are attracting top QB talent now.

Exactly. Excellent post. If we don't get Woulard or Dobbs, it is because we are confident that Cord is coming to play for us. It won't be because we couldn't get them. This is the most attractive qb situation we've ever had at MSU. Ever. In any single recruiting cycle.

Goat is clearly off his meds again...

 

[shotgunDawg]

NFL QB study:

Using Scout.com high school rankings, here is what each starting QB in the NFL was ranked out of high school. The Scout.com ranking did not start till 2002. So any QB that was in college prior to that date does not have any stars and position ranking assigned.

Many of the QBs here are were highly ranked, however, many were very low or not ranked at all. This just goes to show you what a crap shoot QB recruiting is. So many intangibles involved....

The stars are interesting, but specifically pay attention to their position rank for that year. I think it is funny that some of these guys were ranked where they were and there are only 32 NFL teams.

Name	School	HS Star	Pos Rank
Ryan Fitzpatrick	Harvard	NA
Ryan Tannehill	Texas A&M	3	58
Tom Brady	Michigan	NA
Mark Sanchez	USC	5	1
Joe Flacco	Delaware	3	43
Andy Dalton	TCU	2	73
Brandon Weeden	OK State	NA
Ben Roethlisberger	Miami (OH)	NA
Matt Schaub	Virginia	NA
Andrew Luck	Standford	5	4
Chad Henne	Michigan	5	4
Jake Locker	Washington	4	7
Peyton Manning	Tennessee	NA
Brady Quinn	Notre Dame	4	14
Carson Palmer	USC	NA
Philip Rivers	NC State	2	NA
Tony Romo	Easton Illinois	Unranked	Unranked
Eli Manning	Ole Miss	NA	NA
Nick Foles	Arizona	3	52
Rober Griffin III	Baylor	4	12
Jay Cutler	Vanderbilt	NA	NA
Matt Stafford	Georgia	5	2
Aaron Rogers	Cal	4	JC
Christian Ponder	FSU	3	20
Matt Ryan	Boston College	3	44
Cam Newton	Auburn	4	14
Drew Brees	Purdue	NA	NA
Josh Freeman	Kansas State	4	15
John Skelton	Fordham	Unranked	Unranked
Colin Kaepernick	Nevada	2	67
Russell Wilson	Wisconsin	2	67
Sam Bradford	Oklahoma	4	17

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[GhostOfJackie]

Phillip Rivers was a freaking 2 star? Get out of town. Excellent post......

Raw talent is one thing, but it has more to do with the QB coaches and the OC at the respective schools. I think Dak is going to be a premier talent once Dan gets through with him. Considering that Dan stays, Dak will be the first dual threat QB that will have been in Mullen's system for all five years.

 

[patdog]

Never, ever assume a high baseball draft pick is going to choose to play college football. No matter what they tell you. If we pass on other good QB recruits and Sandberg goes pro, that's all on Mullen.

 

[patdog]

This is why I don't get too caught up in recruiting. I know that percentage-wise, more 5-stars make it than 4-stars, more 4-stars than 3-stars, etc. So it's not meaningless. But it's just real difficult to project which HS players will make it in colllege or the pros even for the coaches. And the guys running these recruiting sites aren't in coaching for a reason. They don't have a clue how to coach or evaluate talent any more than a lot of posters on this board do.

 

[DAWG61]

Exactly, sign all 3 if we can. We have 0 QB's from last year's class and 1 this year that's going pro in baseball most likely so I say sign both Woulard and Dobbs.

 

[RocketDawg]

Rivers is a local boy. I didn't know he was only a 2 star, but I knew that he wasn't recruited by any SEC teams so he would up at NC State. His younger brother is at LSU. I don't recall him being well-known as a HS player but I don't really keep up with HS football ... just what I read in the newspapers. I think his brother was a hotter commodity because Phillip was already almost a household name by the time he came along.

 

[Middle School Mustache]

Broadway didn't "get away from us". I realize you're just trying to make a point, so facts be damned, but c'mon. We wouldn't have taken his commitment at any point. Even at the end, when options became slim, we never made the slightest effort to flip him.

 

[dawg21]

Rivers was recruited by SEC schools, just not to play QB. He was a pretty successful defensive player at Safety. I think most wanted him to try TE. This comes from one of his HS football buddies.

 

[RocketDawg]

Apparently NCState realized his true potential.

I wonder how his brother will work out at LSU?

 

[dawg21]

Philip said that his younger brother had a stronger arm out of HS...

and more mobile. (Friend of Philip told me that) From people that watched him in HS said he looked pretty much like Philip did.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Sandberg is 95% going pro. Dobbs is committed to Arizona State. Woulard is only interested in us via twitter. Neither of the latter two have set up visits with us. We haven't signed a legit QB prospect since 2011 (unless Golden magically works out). We are not the frontrunner for anyone outside Sandberg, and it's becomin obvious that other schools backed off him because of the MLB deal. We have a history of futility at QB at MSU, stands to reason that a high level national QB from Tampa wouldn't commit to us if something weren't up. I do understand he likes Mullen though.

We aren't in a good position as far as QB recruiting goes. That was the original point of the post - we've missed on countless other targets, no reason to expect we won't this year too. We've seen it time and time again. History is not on our side. Tyler and Dak are good, so yes, our CURRENT QB situation is good, but what about after 2013?

That's what I thought. You are again stepping off in a no-win situation.

 

[HueFreeze]

Actually CB is the toughest position to evaluate.

 

[HueFreeze]

Until Cord goes to the MLB, we are standing by Cord Sandberg

it is like you expect us to drop Sandberg and grab someone we have less rated, because you are worried he is going MLB ...95%
How many conversations have YOU had with Cord?

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Mullen has had plenty, and there is a reason we are actively recruiting another QB. We are trying very hard to get Dobbs or Woulard in the boat. If Sandberg doesn't go pro in baseball, then having 2 QBs in one class will be a good problem to have. Sandberg said after he got eliminated in the Florida playoffs that it may be his last football game ever. You'd have to be a fool not to bring in another QB.

 

[Middle School Mustache]

Mullen has had plenty, and there is a reason we are actively recruiting another QB. We are trying very hard to get Dobbs or Woulard in the boat. If Sandberg doesn't go pro in baseball, then having 2 QBs in one class will be a good problem to have. Sandberg said after he got eliminated in the Florida playoffs that it may be his last football game ever. You'd have to be a fool not to bring in another QB.

That's just not true at all. We haven't even given Woulard an offer.

 

[Coach34]

That's just not true at all. We haven't even given Woulard an offer.

THIS

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

NFL QB study: Using Scout.com high school rankings, here is what each starting QB in the NFL was ranked out of high school.

Just more evidence that recruiting rankings cannot be trusted. 1/3 of the NFL starting QB's were 4 or 5 stars. The other 2/3 were 3 or less. It's almost like the guys doing ranking recruits are really just guessing...oh wait, that's exactly what they are doing.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

Serious question: You really think we get Woulard?

I truly believe that we get either Dobbs or Woulard.

I saw the one tweet, and yea that was kind of cool. But is he even planning a visit? I've been trying to find it but I can't, what makes you think we really have a chance at him?

 

[Coach34]

I saw the one tweet, and yea that was kind of cool. But is he even planning a visit? I've been trying to find it but I can't, what makes you think we really have a chance at him?

We havent even offered him yet

 

[OzarkaNSW]

We havent even offered him yet

That's what I'm screaming

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Whatever, he's on our radar. The tale will be told if Sandberg and Brian Borgeron are the QBs on our commitment list come Signing Day, and in June Sandberg signs an MLB contract.

All intel is saying Sandberg want to play baseball and will in fact be a high round pick. We HAVE to sign a QB who we expect to play for us, not a space filler like Schuessler/Favre/Golden.

 

[patdog]

No, it's not like that at all. Nobody is even suggesting that we drop Sandberg. Where did you get that from? All we're saying is that we can't put all our eggs in that one basket, especially when we only have 2 scholarship QBs for next year (with 1 a SR) if Sandberg does go pro baseball. We very badly need to sign 2 QBs this year, not counting any HS QBs that will move to another position.

 

[aTotal360]

Correct. Woullard will announce soon. Well before we are able to establish report, much less an OV. Supposedly we are doing an in-home with him this week, though that is not set in stone.

The fact that Woullard announced when he is making his announcement well before our in-home means we are not even in game.

 

[Du Hurensohn]

Phillip Rivers wouldn't have a scout.com ranking since he graduated high school in 2000. Also if it makes you feel better his father attended state for 2 years, and would have gone himself if Sherrill had offered him as a QB rather than at safety

 

[bonedaddy401]

QB rankings and how they translate to the NFL has nothing to do with us..

Just because the QB that have success in the NFL star rankings don't lend itself to trusting the ranking system that has nothing to do with how they can contribute in college. Many highly recruited guys have had great college careers and not made it in the pros. Mullen had two of them at Florida winning National Titles and a Heisman that didn't make it in the pros. Leak and Tebow.



Vince Young, Johnny Football, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, all of Spurrier's QB for the most part. All highly recruited, successful college quarterbacks who didn't or wont pan out in the pros.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

That's actually a hit toward Coach34 and Middle School Mustache's point, and a boost to mine. One less QB we aren't going to get.

Now it's Josh Dobbs or bust. And he's committed somewhere else and we aren't lined up for a visit as of yet.

 

[HueFreeze]

we will have a sr qb, a soph qb, a fresh that beat out a scholarshipped qb, and a true freshman ...assuming Cord commits

I think it is safe to say Golden will be on scholarship next sem.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

No, dude. You have to assume Cord will not be at campus, just for insurance. And 2013 is not the year we are worried about, the QB depth chart will be the same as it was this year, just a year older. 2014 is where we will be thin.

What freshman beat out a scholarship QB? Golden? Who did he beat out? Schuessler was only here for like 2 days if that's who you're talking about.

 

[patdog]

What freshman will we have next year that beat out a scholarship QB? Golden may be on scholarship next year, but the fact is he had NO offers out of HS and we didn't even think enough of him to offer him either. And again, you're assuming Cord comes to MSU. That's looking 50-50 at best right now. We can't afford to not sign a good QB this year and we really need to sign 2.

 

[Dawg1976]

Speaking of Golden, for the one's in the know.....has Golden impressed the coaches at all this year? Enough to give a scholarship?

 

[aTotal360]

Walk away from the ledge until we offer Adamson (not Abramson). Truthfully, I don't see us signing another top tier QB. We will sign Cord and that will be it. I'm not going to get into the MLB discussion because I don't know crap about baseball, his draft status, or "where his heart is".

We got about 6 more spots. The only other top flight players we will land are Shumpert and Z.Smith. The rest are pipe dreams. From what I'm hearing, we are in better shape with Ramsey than most think, but we are still on the outside looking in. Same with Alexander and Daniels.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

QB is the most important position on the team. We should take care of that first and foremost. Mullen will tell you this.

 

[Coach34]

Speaking of Golden, for the one's in the know.....has Golden impressed the coaches at all this year? Enough to give a scholarship?

People were talking up Golden alot in August practice- but once we started game prep and he moved to scout team- haven't heard much.

 

[HueFreeze]

yes Golden will be a fr, next year...

Right now, you have to assume Cord will be here. I am not saying don't stop recruiting other qb's, but you can't offer kids scholarships until you know about your #1 target today

 

[OzarkaNSW]

Woulard is announcing Jan. 5th on national tv

 

[patdog]

I now Golden will be a redshirt FR next year. But he's never beat anyone out, much less a scholarship QB. And no, you absolutely cannont assume Cord will be here. That's exactly how you wind up with a huge hole in your depth. Only an idiot would assume a guy is going to be here when the truth is he probably won't be. Mullen's already got us dangerously thin at that position. If he doesn't sign a contingency plan along with Sandberg, there's no excuse.