Querstion for the recruiting gurus re:Brassell

[Coach34]

I have no doubt that he is torn and possibly having 2nd thoughts. Alot of HS guys do this time of year.

Bear fans have been persuaded by their recruiting gurus that he is a lock to be a Black Bear

How often do players sign with one school when staying committed to another? If he is a solid Black Bear, why hasnt he notified anybody about this? I would think he would have more to gain by switching, wouldnt he? It would give him leverage to make us both compete harder for his services

aGAIN, I'm not saying he is a State lock or that he isnt torn right now, I just dont understand how such a fanbase can be confident they are getting a player that remains committed to my rival program

 

[Coach34]

I have no doubt that he is torn and possibly having 2nd thoughts. Alot of HS guys do this time of year.

Bear fans have been persuaded by their recruiting gurus that he is a lock to be a Black Bear

How often do players sign with one school when staying committed to another? If he is a solid Black Bear, why hasnt he notified anybody about this? I would think he would have more to gain by switching, wouldnt he? It would give him leverage to make us both compete harder for his services

aGAIN, I'm not saying he is a State lock or that he isnt torn right now, I just dont understand how such a fanbase can be confident they are getting a player that remains committed to my rival program

 

[thunderclap]

Nick is missing some of the buzz, especially going out to the AA game with Singleton, who is announcing there, and that he is enjoying letting things appear cloudy again concerning his recruitment. I have no doubt that the pressure is building, but I'll go ahead and predict he sticks with us, and we get Singleton. And if I'm wrong, so what.

 

[fishwater99]

I just dont understand how such a fanbase can be confident they are getting a player that remains committed to my rival program

They are the most delusional fan-base in college athletics. They actually thought they were going to the BCS championship game last year with Nutt as their coach...

 

[maroonmania]

If Tobias comes with us then I will feel quite good about things. If we don't get Singleton then I won't have much confidence in keeping Brassell or Whitehead. I really don't see why any of these guys would want to go play for Rev. Nutt at this point but hey, HS kids do some strange stuff.

 

[DirtyLopez]

Much sense. We can just as easily offer early pt as the bears. I doubt Nutt makes it past next season anyway.

 

[Virgil Caine]

Holyfacepalmku

 

[57stratdawg]

I remember Cordell Giles signing with OM last year even though he was committed to MSU. Robert Elliot signed with MSU even though he was committed to OM. I think I remember Jamara Atterberry (CB from Kozy a few years back) signing with OM after being an MSU commit. He might have flipped earlier though. I think ole Scott "The Driver" might have had a hand in that.

To answer your question though Coach it doesn't happen very often. Once every other year or so.

 

[Interpol]

kuku

 

[fishwater99]

TSUN's pre-season ranking was in the top 10 in all the polls, coming off a win over #4 Texas Tech. Expectations sure were high.
Tell me how that is not delusional that some of your fans actually thought you would go to the BCS game?
I have never said we would even be in a BCS game. We could have peaked this year with Mullen and our great offensive line. I hope not, but time will tell.

 

[Mr Meoff]

Are you saying that State fans are delusional? Or are you really attempting to type with a straight face that Ole Miss fans are NOT delusional? Pardon me while I guffaw.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I wasn't one of those to buy it all. I thought we were a Top 12-15 team that would go 9-3/10-2. Snead's implosion took us to a Top 20-25 (8-4) type team.

However, if the talking heads are calling you a darkhorse national title team, then you're going to have some fans buy it and drink the Kool-Aid. I promise you, if you were to start next season ranked in the pre-season Top 10, and people were calling you one of the favorites in the SEC with a darkhorse shot at playing in the title game, this board and every MSU board would be running rampant with pre-season talk of possibly making a run at the title.

You can't call fans delusional for buying what outsiders are saying about their program.

If you're barely sneaking in the polls or just outside the pre-season polls and your fans are running around talking BCS title, that's delusional.

 

[DirtyLopez]

that the rebs aren't delusional when the media went on and on about how delusional you were after you fired cutcliffe and I heard Finebaum (yeah I know) call you the most delusional fanbase in the conference last week. Bottom line is the rebels as a whole are seriously delusional.

 

[Coach34]

and look, I finally understand why alot of your fanbase is delusional. I never realized Vaught had dominated State like he did during his tenure, going 19-2-4.

Today's Black Bear grandfather's grew up during a time of Bear dominance over State and annual bowl trips. So, I get why they sing, "I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten"- it's all these guys have to hold onto these days.

So, those grandfathers have passed on that attitude to today's 30-40 year old daddy's who think they should be far superior to State. But unfortunately for this group, they havent been able to live up to their grandfather's success. While having a little more success- since 1970- 15 bowl trips to 11 (altho a padded number with lots of Indy Bowl trips), and a 23-18 lead in the series in on the field results- its not really enough to justify some dominant line of thinking that these people seem to have. So basically, this group of Bear fans spout dominance, but are as insecure as a slightly overweight 16 year old girl with low self-esteem.

And then we have the Rebels that are in their early 20's and younger- all they know is that their granddaddy's and daddy's tell them they are superior to State, but State beats them now as often or more often. All they know how to reply to people when State beats their *** is bowl appearances, Johnny Vaught, and all-time Egg Bowl record. They feel the pain and frustration of not being able to live up to their elder's standards, and cant stand being classified with the Vanderbilt's and Kentucky's of SEC football for being unable to make it to Atlanta

 

[JabbatheGut1]

I could be wrong though.<div>
</div><div>Everyone should realize that ALL fans are at least to some degree delusional about his/her own team. That's part of being a fan. You want your team to win and rationalize ways that it could happen</div>

 

[RebelBruiser]

As I said, I didn't buy us as a contender last year, but you can't call fans delusional for buying hype that's fed to them by outsiders.

All fanbases have delusional fans. Yours too, and believe me they're about to come out of the woodwork.

And what does Cutcliffe have to do with our fans being delusional. Our fans didn't run him out of town. He was fired after 2 weeks of post-season meetings basically because he refused to give his bosses a plan of action for the future that included staff changes of any sort. The fans had zero to do with what happened to him.

It's not like Cutcliffe was run out on a rail by fans flying banners over the stadium or pulling FOIA requests on his cell phone records. Some fans wanted him gone, but he wasn't facing an uprising from the fans.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

how so many OM fans were trivializing the losses of Oher, Peria Jerry, and especially Mike Wallace. Several OM fans told me they weren't worried about losing Wallace at all with guys like Lionel Breaux on the roster. I posted on here many times the loss of your deep threat was going to have a huge impact on Snead and the offense. Peria Jerry led the SEC in TFL and Oher was a 1st rounder. MSU fans pointed this out early and often but OM fans weren't capable of seeing the reality of the situation. In other words, delusional.

 

[muscleshoalssound]

could get this done during the dead period. Did something magically change overnight allowing the coaches to call and visit players during the dead period? I really don't understand how this happening unless something illegal is going on. I hope Stricklin turns their asses in, but I'm not convinced Slive would do anything about it. Oh well, that's just the ******** of recruiting in the SEC.

 

[RebelBruiser]

In other words, <span style="text-decoration:line-through">delusional</span> fans.

How many of your fans wanted to buy Sylvester Croom was going to turn your program around? Despite the fact that he recruited so poorly up until the his last couple classes, your fans tried and tried to justify that he was going to get things on track. The Liberty Bowl was that turning point. Many (not all) of your fans were incapable of seeing reality.

As Jabba said, that's part of being a fan. Most of us can't/don't want to see reality. When MSU fans act that way though, it's not delusional to you because you're one of them.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

but OM moreso than others and I think Coach34 outlined some of the reasons why. I think MSU fans are more pessimistic than most and we have a reason for that as well. I was looking at a prediction thread earlier for our season and most picked 7-5 or worse for this team. So I guess we were delusional as well. </p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

Most were hoping for 6-6 or 7-5.

It all depends, like I said, on what the hype is for your team. When pundits are putting your team in the Sugar Bowl in their pre-season bowl predictions, you're going to have fans predicting 11-1 or 12-0.

If you're coming off a losing season hoping to get back to a bowl, most fans are going to predict in the 6-6/7-5 range.

 

[Goat Holder II]

nm

 

[Virgil Caine]

...in a season where you won something like THREE games.

Need I copy and paste it for you?

Not even Yancy "Butt-17-ing" Porter is that stupid.

 

[Virgil Caine]

Speechlessku

 

[RebelBruiser]

I know some of our older fans in particular still think we can claim a spot as a nationally elite program, and that's delusional.

I just don't think, like I've said, that the 2009 pre-season is a good example. In fact, it's a very poor example.

 

[Virgil Caine]

Sighku

 

[ckDOG]

Of course other reasons could include that he just wants to go to Ole Miss. But if that were the case, then why not just publicly de-commit from MSU?

 

[FlabLoser]

[No message]

 

[Special K.sixpack]

RebelBruiser wrote:

How many of your fans wanted to buy Sylvester Croom was going to turn your program around?

I honestly believe he did turn the program around, may not have won a bunch of games, but he stopped the bleeding, and also kept the NCAA from continuing to shoot at us... (continuing on the metaphor of bleeding), and I dont think we would be where we are without some positive things he did for program. He built a foundation for whoever was to come next, and he didn't really embrace the bulldog tradition so that was another reason, along with frequently losing that he was sent packing. Yes we blew *** for the majority of his seasons, probably all of them despite going to the Liberty Bowl, but he definitely turned the program around...and think about how AWESOME it was before he got there, those last couple seasons with the KANG weren't going real well...

 

[olemissbydamn]

We could have peaked this year with Mullen and our great offensive line. I hope not, but time will tell.

I cannot seeyou falling out of the bowl ranks for years to come, if ever. Hey, Nebraska started somewhere.