We gotta get that "heard ammunity".He probably got that info from @55wildcat on here preaching about how masks were handicapping his "amune system."
The amount of misinformation posted here in just the last page or so is staggering (and sad).
Question about the vaccine/masks
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At this point, the anti-everything related to covid people are impossible. They’re like flat earthers. How can you educate them with words when a simple picture can’t even do it? [laughing]
If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I get it. I already had my two rounds but that doesn’t mean everyone else has to. So just read up and choose what you believe is best for you. If it’s a risk you feel is reasonable and you don’t trust it, then I think it’s ok to not do it. As long as you understand the risks involved, that’s what’s important. As long as a decent amount of people get it, we should be good eventually so there’s no reason to get mad at someone who says they aren’t getting it.
The ignorance with wearing a mask is what’s annoying to me. Someone who says wearing it hurts your immune system is just spewing out stupidity that they obviously haven’t looked into. Again, if you want to hang around your family for a dinner at someones home and not wear a mask, that’s your and their choice, but saying it makes it easier to get covid is just borderline mentally challenged.
If you don’t want to get the vaccine, I get it. I already had my two rounds but that doesn’t mean everyone else has to. So just read up and choose what you believe is best for you. If it’s a risk you feel is reasonable and you don’t trust it, then I think it’s ok to not do it. As long as you understand the risks involved, that’s what’s important. As long as a decent amount of people get it, we should be good eventually so there’s no reason to get mad at someone who says they aren’t getting it.
The ignorance with wearing a mask is what’s annoying to me. Someone who says wearing it hurts your immune system is just spewing out stupidity that they obviously haven’t looked into. Again, if you want to hang around your family for a dinner at someones home and not wear a mask, that’s your and their choice, but saying it makes it easier to get covid is just borderline mentally challenged.
So basically, the numbers you posted aren’t true. They’re actually not even close and no offense, but people take those numbers and run and tell someone else as if it’s fact and all it’s done was unnecessarily added more fuel to the fire.
The CDC website as of this moment says the United States has had 25,152,433 total cases. As of this moment, they have the total that have died is 419,827. With those numbers, that would put the death rate at about 1.6% compared to your extremely different .024% death rate. As you can see, that’s a huge difference, especially when you’re talking about millions and millions of people. With the percentage you used of a 99.986% survival rate of total people infected, that would mean only around 6,000 would have died nation wide. Only off by around 413,000 people.
^Also no one talks much about it but unlike other respiratory diseases COVID sometimes leaves people with significant damage to heart, kidneys and other areas even if they recover. So it's not just a life or death thing.
We're still running lab tests for flu, just like every year. But where last year about 14% of flu tests came back positive, this year only 0.2% of flu tests have come back positive.
Seasonal flu is much less contagious than covid as a result of the existing immunity from most people having been exposed to flu before, the flu vaccine, and just natural lower rates of infection being exposed to flu. Measures that only slow down covid completely shut down flu. Seasonal flu is estimated to have a R value of about 1.3 where covid is about twice that.
We had 15% more deaths than usual in 2020.
All those measures you talk about slow down but don't stop covid. Odd that people can't conceive of anything other than completely eliminating something or else not working at all.
It appears that the posters to whom you responded was referring to the population fatality rate, not the case fatality rate. The population fatality rate for the U.S. is .13%, which will go up as deaths increase. However, the world's population fatality rate is .027%, which is very close to what he posted. The actual death rate for the world is probably higher than the known rate, because China lies, and because other parts of the world are not able to test sufficiently to determine causes of death with great accuracy.
However, as I hope you know (and there is an astonishingly large number of people, especially on Facebook and Twitter, who don't), a 1.6% death rate is not the actual fatality rate. That is the case fatality rate, which is different than the infected fatality rate. Because there are, per CDC estimates, anywhere from 2X to 4X infections per actual confirmed case, the actual infection fatality rate is necessarily going to be lower than the case fatality rate. It is likely that it is around .5% in the US, but may even be lower.
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You are probably correct in that the measures that have been taken against the coronavirus have shut down the flu, though I question whether masks are legitimately included within those measures as effective. Suffice it to say that the other measures surely have been. And I have no doubt, when the coronavirus is largely controlled, if not outright eradicated, there will be no shortage of people who will continue to advocate for this hellish "new normal" to continue as a measure against the flu. All for the "greater good", of course. The reaction will be beyond negative.
I get the hesitation to take the vaccine, meaning I can see that viewpoint, however I’ve heard several people say they’ll “take their chance with the virus”, which is insane to me.
COVID 19 was created in a Chinese bat lab and has the following symptoms:
How you would want to gamble with a clearly Chinese engineered “virus” with god knows what long term symptoms over a vaccine made by multi billion dollar trusted American companies with their reputations on the line along with the FDA is mind boggling to me. Like, completely perplexing. Good luck with that and hopefully you’re not one of the seemingly random people that gets incredibly ill for weeks.
COVID 19 was created in a Chinese bat lab and has the following symptoms:
- Loss of taste and smell (WTF) that can last hours, days, or in the case of my coworker going on for 2 months!
- Shortness of breath that can last for months
- Permanent lung damage
- No symptoms at all
- Massive headaches
- Severe fever, chills, and body aches for weeks
- Doesn’t effect kids (WTF)
- death
- Chronic cough that can last up to 6 months
- Being put on a ventilator
- Hundreds of other completely insane and nonsensical symptoms that don’t match with any other virus ever
How you would want to gamble with a clearly Chinese engineered “virus” with god knows what long term symptoms over a vaccine made by multi billion dollar trusted American companies with their reputations on the line along with the FDA is mind boggling to me. Like, completely perplexing. Good luck with that and hopefully you’re not one of the seemingly random people that gets incredibly ill for weeks.
just recently took two covid test 14 days apart because I was around someone who tested positive. Both of mine were negative. I ask what should I do if I tested positive and was told to go home, treat it with OTC meds just like the flu and quarantine for 10 days. Also said the same test will show results of Sars and influenza. negative there as well. Also was told to contact it from anybody, there has to be 15 minutes minimum exposure. Sorry guys I have not one time let this change my life as to where I go or what I do. Still go out to eat, trips, shop and so on wearing a mask only when I have to to enter a place.. Absolutely refuse to be a sheep for this political agenda. You do what you want, cower how ever you need to appease your shepherd...I'm not! Actually now that I think of it, I've never taken a flu shot either..
Do social distancing and wearing masks help stop the spread of Covid? From what I understand in your response, we have been nearly perfectly compliant with those two practices and that’s why the flu has stopped.
So are you acknowledging masks and social distancing don’t stop the spread of Covid? Or are we not being compliant?
Yes. Social distancing and mask usage help limit the spread of Covid. Got any more brainbusters?
What? Where did I say or even infer "the flu has stopped" or that "we have been nearly perfectly compliant?" Double check your reading comprehension. On the double.
I acknowledge that you apparently can't read.
Wow it’s staggering how much you completely missed the point.
So if masks and social distancing stop Covid, why the explosion of positive cases? Because as we know, the flu is 98% reduced from the average of the last five years and I’m told constantly it’s because we are wearing masks and social distancing. You can’t have it both ways.
The measures we're taking don't stop covid, but they slow it down. It would spread faster, and wider, were it not for all of the working from home, social distancing, limiting travel and interactions, hand washing/sanitizing, masking, etc. But it's still contagious enough to spread pretty bad (~30% of the population in a little under the year) despite all that.
to put some numbers to it, seasonal flu has a base reproduction number (R) of about 1.3 while covid is somewhere around 2.5 or so. If we take measures that make respiratory diseased spread half as easily, then flu falls to an R of 0.65 and any infections quickly die out without infecting other people. Meanwhile covid remains above 1 at 1.25 and it can and does spread until it's infected enough people under current conditions to burn out or until conditions change.
Best explanation for the flu being gone this season is viral interference. Covid has alpha’d it - and once people get covid, their body is protected from similar illnesses for some time, acting like vaccination itself.
Flu will be back. Good examples of viral interference in 2009. No conspiracy about flu being counted as c19, but also the disappearance of flu shouldn’t be credited to the measures of trying to stop c19. I was ready to concede school being out has helped, but even in places where school has been in, flu has been out. Even in countries who have let covid rip (Brazil), flu is out. Viral interference.
Flu will be back. Good examples of viral interference in 2009. No conspiracy about flu being counted as c19, but also the disappearance of flu shouldn’t be credited to the measures of trying to stop c19. I was ready to concede school being out has helped, but even in places where school has been in, flu has been out. Even in countries who have let covid rip (Brazil), flu is out. Viral interference.
I've worked on and off in a COVID unit and I never got it. I guess wearing PPE works for me.
For those of you who believe that wearing a mask doesn't make a difference, I invite you to spend the evening with me in the COVID ICU unit without a mask.
For those of you who believe that wearing a mask doesn't make a difference, I invite you to spend the evening with me in the COVID ICU unit without a mask.
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I fully understand why you would do that, If I worked in that atmosphere I would too, but your PPE is much more effective (did I spell that right) then what the average person is wearing, and if you are in the medical field you would know they are useless. That's what I'm talking about and per someone's response to an earlier post, I never said wearing mask causes you to catch it, I said my brother never wore a mask but when he did he tested positive. That's kind of odd to me, and circumstantial for sure..
I fully understand why you would do that, If I worked in that atmosphere I would too, but your PPE is much more effective (did I spell that right) then what the average person is wearing, and if you are in the medical field you would know they are useless. That's what I'm talking about and per someone's response to an earlier post, I never said wearing mask causes you to catch it, I said my brother never wore a mask but when he did he tested positive. That's kind of odd to me, and circumstantial for sure..
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and remember 6 feet isn’t good enough. Gotta be 12 feet apart. And you better have a 3 foot penis if you plan to bang your wife In at least two Hazmat suits
and remember 6 feet isn’t good enough. Gotta be 12 feet apart. And you better have a 3 foot penis if you plan to bang your wife In at least two Hazmat suits
lmao.
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how bout quad mask? Will the sheep buy it?
and remember 6 feet isn’t good enough. Gotta be 12 feet apart. And you better have a 3 foot penis if you plan to bang your wife In at least two Hazmat suits
how bout quad mask? Will the sheep buy it?
Quad? Son, I'm selling octo masks liquidified into a 100 shot vaccine that self injects into a 3000 layered bio suit. This suit grows its own food and you can drink your own pee without being in Earth's physical environment ever again.. Moves the survival rate from 99.6% to 99.8%. worth it.
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This is such an obtuse, ignorant argument that it's borderline offensive. The PPE you wear in a covid unit is nothing like what the general population wears. More importantly, the way you wear and handle it is nothing like how most people wear and handle theirs. You wearing cloth masks in your unit? Cloth masks that are dirty and damp, and shoved into a pocket when you walk out of the hospital? You grabbing that damp, dirty mask from your pocket and putting it on when you stop to run an errand on your way home?
Dude I think I’m on your side but, hospital staff have access to n95 mask and surgical mask which are priority to them so therefore I doubt they ever reuse any personal protective gear. JMO
What annoys me is that you repeat the same point multiple times in every post.
Thanks, Chief. Got it the first 1,000 times.
I probably didn't word my very sarcastic comment well enough, but that's the point. I haven't seen anyone claiming that medical/surgical-grade masks worn by trained personnel don't work. I mean, no ****.
But the guy I quoted comes in with some asinine ******** comment about how obviously masks work because he wears PPE in a covid unit in a hospital, and how anyone who doubts masks should come spend some time in his unit. Give me a f***ing break. Maybe that dude should wear dirty cloth masks in his unit if he thinks they're so effective.
Fully gotcha. And that is truthful. Some in the medical field forget the average Joe does not have the same quality protection as them, and are quick to judge when people disagree with mask protocol, not that the poster did that. Jus sayin
..........oh and by the way, the flu has had a vaccine for many years......so yeah, uhhhhh, science.
That’s your ignorant response to the thread? Really? That’s annoying as well. Add that to the list of annoyances. Chief.
Please, for the love of god, read this.
You absolutely refuse to believe that masks help. You bend the argument, bring up asinine comparisons and refuse to read. Name a news source to check out then, just name one and I’ll look it up and read their data. You obviously will not be convinced otherwise and the sad thing is there are a lot of people like you. Why don’t people want to educate themselves and look up information about things rather than look like fools and stand firmly there?
I’m literally asking anyone, please, link something that proves your point with data. There’s no possible way you can just be like “by gawd I ain’t wearin no cotton pickin mask” and believe you made a rational coherent point. I refuse to believe that.
Are you literally saying that if no one wore a mask, cases wouldn’t increase more rapidly? Is that what you are honestly saying?
Ok, so we may have misunderstood each other then. I don’t believe cloth masks are as effective as N95 masks. But I also have read several articles that showed the level of protection is still decent with a cloth mask, but YES, if worn properly. But then you said since those people aren’t wearing it right, then you aren’t wearing one at all and that’s where it doesn’t exactly make a lot of sense. Regardless, they do help. No mask other than an effective N95 mask can completely or almost completely protect you, but I still believe the more people that wear them the better, so how exactly is that arguable?
Yeah, I’m done debating as well. I hope you’ll actually use the internet, which is obviously accessible to you, take off your tin foil hat and actually read. The information is at your fingertips. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
You should research that too.