Is there anyway a specific subject can be put on the ignore list? I would like to put the subject of Big 12 conference strength, and for that matter every conference in the country on my ignore list when it comes to both football and basketball. Over the years I have come to believe that conference strength based on SOS or any other particular variable may be the most useless piece of information I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Not here to argue one way or the other based on several tournament or bowl games but from the stand point of a casual fan, the next time I read that XYZ is considered the strongest conference in either basketball or football, I may not be able to contain my uncomfortable laughter for days.
Question concerning conference
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There are many people paid to write something for the web every day,
whether they have anything to say or not. Conference strength posts probably get a lot of hits, so they write that crap.
I agree with you, it's garbage, but I doubt Rivals provides the capability to ignore by subject matter.
whether they have anything to say or not. Conference strength posts probably get a lot of hits, so they write that crap.
I agree with you, it's garbage, but I doubt Rivals provides the capability to ignore by subject matter.
In all honesty soaring 74, I was just being somewhat sarcastic concerning the Ignore List. However over the years I have observed that when it comes to people sharing thoughts on strength of conference it has absolutely little or no bearing whatsoever on how talented or strong a particular team is within that conference. So often over the years the argument has been made that XYZ team is much more talented and stronger than their record indicates due to the strength of the conference they play in. A legitimate argument could quite possibly be made that nothing could be further from the truth. Bottom line in my humble opinion is that no one has a clue either before, during, or after the season how strong one conference is versus another. Stating how strong a particular team is based on the conference they play in is comical at best and pure fiction at worst.
This post was edited on 3/29 10:07 PM by 79eer
This post was edited on 3/29 10:07 PM by 79eer
Funniest thing about conference strength is how different experts determined it - RPIs, head to head competition during the regular season, Tournament performance, etc., etc.
Amazingly Big 12 schools will generate almost as much Tournament money per school this year as the ACC who is having their best Tournament in years. The six ACC schools have performed well, but they are sharing their earnings with 9 schools who didn't make the NCAA Tournament (Pitt being one of those teams). The seven Big 12 schools only have to share their earnings with 3 schools that didn't make it.
Every Tournament Appearance this year is equal to about $1.6 million spread out over the next 6 years.
Big 12 : 12 Appearances X $1.6M = $19.2M / 10 schools = $1.92M per school
ACC: 21 Appearances X $1.6M = $33.6M / 15 schools = $2.21M per school
WVU generated about $5 million for the conference from the Tournament this year.
March Madness Makers and Takers
Amazingly Big 12 schools will generate almost as much Tournament money per school this year as the ACC who is having their best Tournament in years. The six ACC schools have performed well, but they are sharing their earnings with 9 schools who didn't make the NCAA Tournament (Pitt being one of those teams). The seven Big 12 schools only have to share their earnings with 3 schools that didn't make it.
Every Tournament Appearance this year is equal to about $1.6 million spread out over the next 6 years.
Big 12 : 12 Appearances X $1.6M = $19.2M / 10 schools = $1.92M per school
ACC: 21 Appearances X $1.6M = $33.6M / 15 schools = $2.21M per school
WVU generated about $5 million for the conference from the Tournament this year.
March Madness Makers and Takers
That's an all together different subject, but the $$$$$ is hard to argue against and can do nothing but improve the the landscape of all the schools, particularly the Big 12. The revenue gained by joining the conference is desperately needed and put to good use can only enhance WVU and it's efforts to compete consistently on a national level year in and year out.
As I said ...
I It's easy to write about, it generates hits, and like much of the "news" published, it's BS.
I It's easy to write about, it generates hits, and like much of the "news" published, it's BS.
Even with two teams in the Final Four, the Big 10 and Big 12 will generate about the same amount of Tournament money per school.
Big 10: 17 Appearances X $1.6M = $27.2M / 14 schools = $1.94M per school
This post was edited on 3/30 10:18 AM by wbgvwbgv
Big 10: 17 Appearances X $1.6M = $27.2M / 14 schools = $1.94M per school
This post was edited on 3/30 10:18 AM by wbgvwbgv
We're fans, why not talk about which conferences, as a whole, look better?
Especially when you're talking about it amongst fans of teams from the same conference... lol
Fans of teams of any particular conference would like to think they are in the best, most difficult conference, for the most part. There are ways to measure it but no surefire way.
I'd rather go 11-7 in the B12 than 11-7 in the WAC. So if someone were to argue with me that the WAC is superior to B12, why not use a particular variable to refute their claim?
College Sports and message boards are all about bragging rights. Team bragging rights are most important, obviously, and some folks could care less if their in the best conference or the 12th best conference... I care.. I like conference bragging rights too. It helps put things in perspective. It probably helps a bit in recruiting. Some folks would say we had a slightly above average season this year in basketball.. I would argue that we had one of the best 5-10 seasons we've ever had, despite the last game. Mostly because of conference strength. You can't just compare wins and losses... you gotta ask who were the wins and losses against.
That's just me, maybe I'm more than just a casual fan.
Especially when you're talking about it amongst fans of teams from the same conference... lol
Fans of teams of any particular conference would like to think they are in the best, most difficult conference, for the most part. There are ways to measure it but no surefire way.
I'd rather go 11-7 in the B12 than 11-7 in the WAC. So if someone were to argue with me that the WAC is superior to B12, why not use a particular variable to refute their claim?
College Sports and message boards are all about bragging rights. Team bragging rights are most important, obviously, and some folks could care less if their in the best conference or the 12th best conference... I care.. I like conference bragging rights too. It helps put things in perspective. It probably helps a bit in recruiting. Some folks would say we had a slightly above average season this year in basketball.. I would argue that we had one of the best 5-10 seasons we've ever had, despite the last game. Mostly because of conference strength. You can't just compare wins and losses... you gotta ask who were the wins and losses against.
That's just me, maybe I'm more than just a casual fan.
Hello KingCoal,,,, my comment was neither meant to be sincere or insincere, but merely an observation. To be honest with you my thoughts came from not the lack of a Big12 representative or their lack of, but the Big 10 and their success to date. I was reminded how little respect the Old Big East conference got when it came to football and the lack of respect WV got because of the general perspective. I firmly believe to this day that although the conference in general was perceived as weak and conference teams did not pass the so called mustard test when it came to SOS, several of those WV teams were indeed among the best teams in the country, and never fully got the credit I believed they deserved simply because the conference was perceived as weak by those experts who tell us which is the best and which is the worst.
Why is tournament success by one or two teams being the implied deciding factor as to overall conference strength? Should all the head to head games during the regular season, conference challenges, conference RPIs, number of wins over top opponents be completely ignored? Getting to the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, and Final Four seems more a factor of Tournament seeding, luck of the draw, and the individual strength of the team advancing. Even so many games come down to last second shots. The Tounament was designed to financial reward conferences ( since the money is shared with all members ) based on performance. The number of tournament appearances being the deciding factor. Since the discussion is about conference strength and not the strength of one or two teams within the conference then the number of conference members not even making the Tournament shouldn't be ignored either.
Maybe a single elimination tournament featuring only a select number of conference members isn't a very good indicator of conference strength. And conference strength isn't always reflected in who advances in a single elimination tournament.
Only after the Big East lost Miami, BC, and VT, did WVU start dominating the conference. Would those same WVU teams have dominated the SEC or Big 10? WVU was certainly good enough to win a few big games every season including some great Bowl victories, but upon joining the Big 12 where there seems to be a big game every week, WVU has only had limited success to date.
Maybe a single elimination tournament featuring only a select number of conference members isn't a very good indicator of conference strength. And conference strength isn't always reflected in who advances in a single elimination tournament.
Only after the Big East lost Miami, BC, and VT, did WVU start dominating the conference. Would those same WVU teams have dominated the SEC or Big 10? WVU was certainly good enough to win a few big games every season including some great Bowl victories, but upon joining the Big 12 where there seems to be a big game every week, WVU has only had limited success to date.
79 and Vernon
I agree with you, but would like to acknowledge another group. WVU has had some super people who gave financial support all the time our university was struggling for money. A few people have been recognized, and there are tons of others who deserve our thanks. Such generous people they are.
I agree with you, but would like to acknowledge another group. WVU has had some super people who gave financial support all the time our university was struggling for money. A few people have been recognized, and there are tons of others who deserve our thanks. Such generous people they are.