Question for everybody- not just DS and IBleed

[Coach34]

"Stansbury is not equal to Croom in any shape or form"


"The fact that he is comparing Stan to Croom shows his complete lack of objectivity in the matter and he will argue you till doomsday to say he is right."

Stansbury's career has been more successful than Croom's...however, when you look at Stansbury's last 5+ years and where they are today- they are very similar.

When a Croom team took the field against a decent team- few people thought we had a chance to win.- fact

Now when "The Recruiter" takes the floor against a BCS team OOC- do you honestly feel like we will win? Have you really thought that the last couple of years? <span style="text-decoration:underline">And before you reply- think about answers you have given the last couple of years when we have talked about beefing up the OOC schedule and what would happen if we did</span>.

 

[Coach34]

"Stansbury is not equal to Croom in any shape or form"


"The fact that he is comparing Stan to Croom shows his complete lack of objectivity in the matter and he will argue you till doomsday to say he is right."

Stansbury's career has been more successful than Croom's...however, when you look at Stansbury's last 5+ years and where they are today- they are very similar.

When a Croom team took the field against a decent team- few people thought we had a chance to win.- fact

Now when "The Recruiter" takes the floor against a BCS team OOC- do you honestly feel like we will win? Have you really thought that the last couple of years? <span style="text-decoration:underline">And before you reply- think about answers you have given the last couple of years when we have talked about beefing up the OOC schedule and what would happen if we did</span>.

 

[garnth1]

When a Croom team took the field against <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a decent team</span> any team - few people thought we had a chance to win.- fact

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Todd4State]

looking at something that he probably knows is bait and can't resist biting.

What the hell?

All I'll say about this is this, and I'm sure you'll come back with whatever and it could go on for 10 days.

But the fact of the matter is this:

Regardless of what has happened the past year, five years, twenty years, whatever time frame you want to pick, Stansbury is one of our most successful coaches in terms of wins. Whatever the facts may be, and however you want to nitpick and put it down, he won games. It may very well have been over a bunch of Belhaven's. But the fact is he won. Richard Williams and most coaches we had can't say that.

That's what is different between Stansbury and Croom. You can't say that Croom is among our all time leaders in wins in football. You can put down the SEC West Championships that Stansbury has had, but you can't say that is like Croom because we were NEVER close to winning the SEC West when Croom was here. And actually Stansbury has a SEC Championship, whether that fits your timeframe or not, that is something that Croom would never have done even if he was at Alabama.

What you're saying would be more like comparing Bobby Bowden's last few years to Croom. And there is no one on Earth that would make that comparison. And before you nitpick the hell out of that, just understand that my point is comparing Croom to Stansbury just doesn't match up, but you don't have to compare everyone to Croom to make people believe that Stansbury should be gone. He is doing that on his own.

But also understand this- replacing Stansbury won't be as cut and dried as replacing Croom because Stansbury has had success. It's real easy to do better than a coach that has done a horrible job. Replacing one that has had some success is not so easy. No, I'm not saying that it can't be done, and I'm not saying that he shouldn't be gone. But the fact of the matter is don't be surprised if people end up missing the days of winning the West if our next coach doesn't do as well. And don't be surprised if there is some backlash from the media if we fire Stansbury because they aren't going to overanalyze every win and loss like you. The media is just going to see 20 win seasons and wonder what the hell we expect.

Again, I'm not saying that we can't or won't hire someone better than Stansbury- I'm just saying be prepared in case we don't hire a basketball version of Dan Mullen.

 

[Thick]

the trend line over the past few years does not support Stans for future employment. You want to compare 2 coaches, try Stans and Sherrill in their last 4 years. Stans, to me, looks like he is slowly cashing his chips in with out telling the athletic department. Yes, he has signed one of his best classes in recent years, maybe his career as HC, but we have sucked in the areas that he preaches....defense, rebounding, and toughness.

I will also say that the program as a whole is not where it should be from a weight training perspective, never has been. I differ from you on one opinion though, and that's finding a replacement for RS. It could be easier to fill this position with a young up and comer because of our facilities, and the weakness of the conference as a whole. It's still considered a job in a "power" conference. The question will be "How far does Stricklin want to see the program go?" Is his perception of success division championships, SEC championships, or success in the Big Dance, or all if them?

 

[SallyStansbury]

Coach Stansburyreminds me of Croom in a few ways. I would suggest that the majority of Coach Stansbury's years (the good ones) remind me of the the Croom teams with Ellis Johnson as the D coordinator. Maybe seasons like beating that directional Florida school in Memphis in a lower tier bowl? Pretty dang good for ole MSU!

I would say this season and last season remind me of the Croom teams without Ellis Johnson and Coach Stansbury is kind of a blend of McCorvey and Croom.......stubborn and controlling as a mother17er, no offense,and refusing to change. We can see it, doing the same **** over and over on offense and NO RESULTS, no meaningful success. It is time for Coach Stans tosupress his inner "Woody," and get the 17 out of the way, hire an X andO's guy andallow that person to lead/coach our team. It appears that we are well on the way of laying the turd of a season that was the 45-0 eggbowl beatdown that resulted in Croom's demise. "What?We are little ole MSU and we can't fire the first African American football coach in the SEC? All the other coaches love him and say that he is a Great man of Character....they love playing against him and his teams!" Plus who in hell would come here, we are MSU? right?

 

[Johnson85]

Youcan't point to things that Stansbury is good or at least competent at. Exclude a buffet line, and you can't do that for Crooms. Whatever slight similarities you can find (the only one I see of any significance is his refusal to hire an assistant coach to overcome his weaknesses on offense, but even then, Stansbury is just weak on offense whereas Crooms being involved actively impeded our players from scoring), if you are trying to be at least a little bit persuasive (and that may be where I'm making a bad assumption), you can't compare the two.

The Sherrill to Stansbury comparison I can see. Both had success with similar peaks as far as in season rankings go.For the most part,even with their best teams, you could never be surethey wouldn't lay a turdcomegame time. And if the decision is made that it's time for Stansbury to go and Stansbury doesn't pull a Polk, Stansbury should be welcomed back whenever he's ready to reform a relationship with the program.

 

[Seinfeld]

then you could take the majority of coaches to ever coach at state and compare them to Croom. Stansbury has gradually created a mess over the last few years that has come to a head this season and he needs to answer for it, but Sly Croom is and forever will be in a league of his own. If you were to put together a list of 100 bullets that represented what a college football coach should be, Croom would have been the polar opposite of every critical characteristic. He was the anti-christ of college sports.

This Stansbury thing is going to get messy, and I'm not talking about the team's play because they obviously already suck. I think that the subject of his dismissal is going to be one of the more touchy subjects in Starkville in years. His roots are about as deep as anyone at the university, so it will be very interesting as this develops.

 

[patdog]

I know you're not dumb enough to really believe there's any kind of comparison between Stans and Crxxm at all.

 

[thatsbaseball]

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[patdog]

Stans hasn't let the program detoriorate nearly as much as Sherrill did (at least not yet). But that's a comparison you will never see Coach34 make.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[bulliegolfer]

Stans hasn't let the program detoriorate nearly as much as Sherrill did (at least not yet). But that's a comparison you will never see Coach34 make.

I'm afraid that is where we are headed with Stans.

 

[mcfly.sixpack]

Christmas wish list this year, but you cannot draw a logical comparison to the two over their careers. We've all said it, winning the west in basketball means nothing, while winning the west in football wins you national titles. We all know the reasons you can't compare the two so I'm not getting into all of that. I don't know if its because Dan Mullen has us in a NYD bowl, and that our football team has made a 180 degree turnaround in 2 years and we're no used to still being focused on football or whatm but the feeling around the basketball program right now is the same apathetic feeling I had in Crooms last year in football. It just seems that less of the fanbase cares right now about basketball and that is the only comparison I can make to Croom.

 

[patdog]

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[Coach34]

thats not even a contest...

All I'm saying is that we wanted Crooms gone because we didnt think he could ever beat a team that was worth a damn...

And now with "The Recruiter", even his biggest supporters dont want to beef the OOC schedule up why? Because nobody thinks he can beat any of those teams. How long are you supposed to keep a coach that you dont think can beat decent programs?

 

[mstatefan88]

How long are you supposed to keep a coach that you dont think can beat decent programs?

I think Stansbury's current dilemma is a product of ourpast track record at MSU insports.WhileI was at MSU from '06-'10,footballseason was always highly anticipated, but we allknew our only real shot at anythingdecent happeningwas in basketball.The fan base as a whole was able to accept theproduct Stansbury brought because it was usually competitive andalmost alwaysmade a goodseason ending run togive us a glimmer of hope for future success. We never had consistent success, but we had enough to appease the people who were ok with us being decent, and that was enough to keep the pressure off Stansbury

Then Dan Mullen rolls in and changes the culture of this fan base, and afterhis success this past season, I think the fan base doesn't want a glimmer of hope anymore. It want's something tangible, something it can see and say, "Wow, that looks like progress." We are getting that from Dan,but we aren'tgetting that from Stansbury. I see a good recruiting class for next year, butthe samecoach that I don't thinkcan scheme his way out of a wet paper sack, and a staff that I don't think has what it takes to be a contender every year. Things have to change in the basketball program now.

 

[Hanmudog]

I am not defending Stansbury because at this point I don't care if he stays or goes. I just want to win. However, it deserves to be mentioned that while he has not done well against OOC teams he has beaten ranked Vandy, UT, Florida, and LSU teams over the last couple of years.

 

[sardis]

He can't get to the next level, maybe Mullen won't either, but I bet he has a better chance than Stans. Will the next Coach be better, who knows, but this horse won't get there.

 

[ShineOnYouCrazyBulldog]

Is there a reason we're only including OOC teams for Stans?

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

And we have heard it a few thousand times from you just in case we have forgotten. But to compare him to the craptastic career that was Croom's tenure is not correct. We have played with the big boys even if we lost, like last year in the SEC Tourney against Kentucky. Croom's team were done from the kickoff against the better teams.

Your argument might find better traction if you asked whether we are happy with the product we have on the court right now. I am not. That being said, Stans should still get a pass on this season with next season being the mark as to whether we keep him or not. He has earned that in my opinion and to continually argue whether we should change coaches this season is premature one season. For me he has to show improvement in this squad by year's end and continue that improvement next season or else the program in my eyes has reached a point of stagnation.

If things continue this season as they have started I look for changes in his staff at the very least. If he doesn't do that, then he is killing his own program.

One more personal observation. I may be way off but I have a feeling he may step out on his own soon. Just a feeling after seeing his demeanor over the past couple of seasons.

 

[MedDawg]

Stansbury's career compares much more closely to Sherrill's at MSU than Croom's. Stans has won the SEC overall and a couple of SEC tournaments, got ranked as high as #4 at the end of the regular season, and taken us to postseason more than any other coach since the early 60's. Sherrill had us ranked once in a while, won some bowl games, lost some against inferior competition, and also took us farther more often than any other coach in decades (or really ever). Sherrill ended up with a .500 record, and Stansbury's is much better than that.

I'm not completely sold on Stans, and my patience is beginning to wear
thin, too. But it's still not obvious to me that we just have to get
rid of him. We're 4th or 5th best in the SEC under Stansbury, and have consistently stayed ahead of much richer SEC schools. Does anyone really think we're going to find a coach that is going to make us better than UK, UF, or UT? So 3rd or 4th is about we could ever hope for consistently. Do we have McDonald's All Americans in Mississippi that are leaving for
other schools? No. Other schools have had NBA-quality players and
still not been able to consistently do better than State. Much richer SEC schools haven't been able to pass MSU, and you can't use the excuse that they don't care about basketball, as they've all gone through multiple coaching hires. If Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, South Carolina, Georgia, and Ole Miss can't find coaches to pass MSU, then what makes anyone think we can do it?

As I've said before, this recent recruiting class earned Stansbury another 3-4 years to see what he can do. Had he not brought in the players he did (Moultrie, Sidney, and the MS blue chippers), then I think he would have had to improve this or next year or be fired. Of course, now that he will have the new guys, he will need to show better results, including better SEC records and going deeper in the tourney, or at minimum get back to the tourney (nearly) every year without being the last team in.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Under Stans, we have the potential to put a very talented lineup on the floor next year: Deville, Bost, Hood, Sidney, and Moultrie.

Going forward, Stricklin needs to take a more active role in the scheduling process. I think Stans has had too much control of the schedule and has geared it to winning 20 games. That's an insignifcant number when you play in the SECWest. We have beaten UCLA, Arizona, and OU a couple of times, but I can't think of any other significant non-conference wins in his tenure.

 

[Coach34]

Is there a reason we're only including OOC teams for Stans?

is a very mediocre conference after the top 4 teams and SEC West success is pretty irrelevant these days

 

[ShineOnYouCrazyBulldog]

But shouldn't wins against those top 4 still be included?

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Stansbury has a better winning percentage (conference and nonconference) over the last five full seasons than Croom.

Stansbury has coached teams to four postseason appearances in the last five years (something only 25 percent of teams (roughly) do). Croom coached one bowl team (something that roughly 50 percent of teams do) in his five years.