Question for my left leaning friends of the board

[WhiteTailEER]

They are actively promoting anger against Trump. They make blanket statements that he is against women, Mexicans,Muslims and immigrants. You don't think that stirs emotions? They do it and they never are taken to task by the media.

They aren't making this **** up. Trump has done that himself and he goes on every news channel he can and doubles down on everything. Then he goes on Twitter and quadruple downs on it too. It's speculation but I'd say that Trump is getting this response all on his own, completely independent from what Clinton and Sanders say, and would be getting this response if nothing was said at all by anybody else.

Has Trump made derogatory statements about women?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Mexicans?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Muslims?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about immigrants?

It doesn't matter what Clinton or Sanders say, none of those protests would happen if Trump hadn't said all the things he has said.

Is it football season yet?

 

[ThatNehlenFeelin]

They aren't making this **** up. Trump has done that himself and he goes on every news channel he can and doubles down on everything. Then he goes on Twitter and quadruple downs on it too. It's speculation but I'd say that Trump is getting this response all on his own, completely independent from what Clinton and Sanders say, and would be getting this response if nothing was said at all by anybody else.

Has Trump made derogatory statements about women?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Mexicans?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Muslims?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about immigrants?

It doesn't matter what Clinton or Sanders say, none of those protests would happen if Trump hadn't said all the things he has said.

Is it football season yet?

Can you link these racial slurs? Curse words?

 

[bornaneer]

They aren't making this **** up. Trump has done that himself and he goes on every news channel he can and doubles down on everything. Then he goes on Twitter and quadruple downs on it too. It's speculation but I'd say that Trump is getting this response all on his own, completely independent from what Clinton and Sanders say, and would be getting this response if nothing was said at all by anybody else.

Has Trump made derogatory statements about women?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Mexicans?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Muslims?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about immigrants?

It doesn't matter what Clinton or Sanders say, none of those protests would happen if Trump hadn't said all the things he has said.

Is it football season yet?

1. Has Trump made derogatory statements about women? Only about pub hound Kelly,Cruz's wife and a dingbat reporter. He ALSO has said many,many complimentary comments about many women.
   
2. Has Trump made derogatory statements about Mexicans? Only about ones who come here illegally and commit crimes. You think they should be free to do both? I have heard Trump make many,many complimentary comments about Mexicans......I guess you tuned those out. He also employees thousands of Mexicans.
   
3. Has Trump made derogatory statements about Muslims? Only against those who have killed and maimed innocent men,women and children here and around the world. I find it hard to believe that you would disagree with him.
4. Has Trump made derogatory statements about immigrants? Only about those that try to come here illegally and have not been vetted properly.

 

[bornaneer]

They aren't making this **** up. Trump has done that himself and he goes on every news channel he can and doubles down on everything. Then he goes on Twitter and quadruple downs on it too. It's speculation but I'd say that Trump is getting this response all on his own, completely independent from what Clinton and Sanders say, and would be getting this response if nothing was said at all by anybody else.

Has Trump made derogatory statements about women?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Mexicans?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about Muslims?
Has Trump made derogatory statements about immigrants?

It doesn't matter what Clinton or Sanders say, none of those protests would happen if Trump hadn't said all the things he has said.

Is it football season yet?

You actually think that Clinton, Sanders,Soros and others of that ilk are NOT inciting anger toward Trump? Sounds like you also have a problem when Trump refuses to bow down ( doubles down) to the ball-less PC crowd. Yea..... honesty is a real problem with some folks.

 

[Mntneer]

It doesn't matter what Clinton or Sanders say, none of those protests would happen if Trump hadn't said all the things he has said.

Sorry, but history proves otherwise.

These protesters of today protest practically any "conservative" viewpoint they disagree with. Trump's the top target today because he's winning, but don't think for a second it would stop with him were he to drop out of the race.

And it's not just politicians they seek to silence, it's practically any voice they disagree with.

 

[Mntneer]

http://www.surenews.com/controversial/tranny-spits-in-trump-supporters-face-and-is-proud-of-it/

So Trump's rhetoric drives this woman to spit in a Trump supporter's face?

Good logic.... really good logic. [eyeroll]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

http://www.surenews.com/controversial/tranny-spits-in-trump-supporters-face-and-is-proud-of-it/

So Trump's rhetoric drives this woman to spit in a Trump supporter's face?

Good logic.... really good logic. [eyeroll]

I love the guy walking around in a Hillary shirt.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

You actually think that Clinton, Sanders,Soros and others of that ilk are NOT inciting anger toward Trump? Sounds like you also have a problem when Trump refuses to bow down ( doubles down) to the ball-less PC crowd. Yea..... honesty is a real problem with some folks.

You don't seem to understand my point. Do I have a problem when Trump refuses to "bow down"? I don't give a **** honestly, I'm just saying that he is fueling fires on both sides when he does it. Both with his supporters and his detractors.

 

[bornaneer]

You don't seem to understand my point. Do I have a problem when Trump refuses to "bow down"? I don't give a **** honestly, I'm just saying that he is fueling fires on both sides when he does it. Both with his supporters and his detractors.

Fair enough......I guess you also would say that Dems fuel the fire when they make statements that Repubs are racist,anti-women and other such nonsense. BTW, my honesty comment was not directed at you.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You don't seem to understand my point. Do I have a problem when Trump refuses to "bow down"? I don't give a **** honestly, I'm just saying that he is fueling fires on both sides when he does it. Both with his supporters and his detractors.

You know, I don't agree with his positions, but I'm glad someone very outspoken with a set of balls is pushing back. I like that there is someone not folding under the normal liberal pressures. Their playbook isn't working to make him cower with fear in the face of baseless buzzword accusations. The funny part though, they've gone to the well too many times in the past when the labels didn't apply and now there is someone where it kind of does and it's not sticking to him. He brushes it right off.

Put another way, I'm glad someone is standing up to it, I just wish it was someone else that I respected.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Sorry, but history proves otherwise.

These protesters of today protest practically any "conservative" viewpoint they disagree with. Trump's the top target today because he's winning, but don't think for a second it would stop with him were he to drop out of the race.

And it's not just politicians they seek to silence, it's practically any voice they disagree with.

That actually kind of supports the position I'm taking ... this isn't being driven by anything that Clinton or Sanders say or don't say. You can say that Trump's words don't have anything to do with it, but I disagree. I don't think you'd see the same kind of venom if it was Kasich in the lead, for example. He is pretty reasonable and isn't vitriolic with his speech.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Fair enough......I guess you also would say that Dems fuel the fire when they make statements that Repubs are racist,anti-women and other such nonsense. BTW, my honesty comment was not directed at you.

Yes, I agree with that. I don't think there's a need for any of that kind of stuff and it doesn't serve our country/society as a whole. It only serves the power of the party that's saying it, but does nothing to advance the collective.

(I didn't assume the honesty comment was directed at me, if it was somebody else saying it I probably would have though)

 

[WhiteTailEER]

You know, I don't agree with his positions, but I'm glad someone very outspoken with a set of balls is pushing back. I like that there is someone not folding under the normal liberal pressures. Their playbook isn't working to make him cower with fear in the face of baseless buzzword accusations. The funny part though, they've gone to the well too many times in the past when the labels didn't apply and now there is someone where it kind of does and it's not sticking to him. He brushes it right off.

Put another way, I'm glad someone is standing up to it, I just wish it was someone else that I respected.

Yeah, I agree. Too much crying wolf. It's all over the place though too. You have the left leaning folks with this kind of thing and then the religious folks that think equality laws are an attack on their freedoms.

Are these things micro-aggressions? Or are people just hyper-sensitive? I think it's the latter ... and it's because we've really got a pretty cushy life these days without too many worries. If you have a society TRULY being oppressed, do you think they'd care about most of these things that people get fired up over here? I don't. When things are good, people have to find something.

Born likes to bring up Chicago a lot and he makes valid points. In Beverly Hills people probably get outraged if somebody doesn't clean up FiFi's poop from the sidewalk, but in Chicago where bullets are coming in windows, or in Flint where poison comes from the taps, they don't give a **** about dog poop on the sidewalk because they've got bigger things to worry about.

 

[Mntneer]

That actually kind of supports the position I'm taking ... this isn't being driven by anything that Clinton or Sanders say or don't say. You can say that Trump's words don't have anything to do with it, but I disagree. I don't think you'd see the same kind of venom if it was Kasich in the lead, for example. He is pretty reasonable and isn't vitriolic with his speech.

Trump's words are the excuse that many can use to justify their idiotic and childish behavior, but at the end of the day they drive themselves to the events and disrupt those events on their own. They have that choice to not go... to not interrupt... to not get confrontational. Therefore they need to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Trump's words are the excuse that many can use to justify their idiotic and childish behavior, but at the end of the day they drive themselves to the events and disrupt those events on their own. They have that choice to not go... to not interrupt... to not get confrontational. Therefore they need to take responsibility for their actions.

I absolutely agree. I believe I said above that it would be wrong to hold Trump accountable for the actions of his supporters because regardless of what he says, people act on their own. The same is true of his detractors/protestors. I believe his words do stir the emotions that lead people to behave this way, but it's ridiculous to hold him responsible for the actions associated with them. That may sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm really not.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Trump's words are the excuse that many can use to justify their idiotic and childish behavior, but at the end of the day they drive themselves to the events and disrupt those events on their own. They have that choice to not go... to not interrupt... to not get confrontational. Therefore they need to take responsibility for their actions.

Because every person expressing an opinion should be busted right in the mouth, eh? Because every person holding a sign deserves to be tackled and choked, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go to a Trump rally to "protest", but if someone standing there expressing an opinion or holding a sign enrages you to the point you feel the need to throw a punch or elbow someone in the mouth and say "next time I'll kill you", you have serious problems. This is the mentality of a lot of the Trump supporters. They have a similar mentality to the occupiers of the federal building and property in Oregon. Screw the government, they are bad and we want less of them.

We have already established that Bernie handled protesters vastly different than Trump and no one was injured and there was no violence when Bernie was interrupted on stage. Trump rallies on the other hand.... So what's the difference? There are two main differences; 1) Bernie and Trump setting the examples that their followers follow and 2) the typical mentality of the supporters themselves. Trump supporters have already said they are mad as hell and want change (nothing wrong with simply being angry and wanting change, but resorting to violence shows ignorance).

 

[Mntneer]

Because every person expressing an opinion should be busted right in the mouth, eh? Because every person holding a sign deserves to be tackled and choked, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go to a Trump rally to "protest", but if someone standing there expressing an opinion or holding a sign enrages you to the point you feel the need to throw a punch or elbow someone in the mouth and say "next time I'll kill you", you have serious problems. This is the mentality of a lot of the Trump supporters. They have a similar mentality to the occupiers of the federal building and property in Oregon. Screw the government, they are bad and we want less of them.

We have already established that Bernie handled protesters vastly different than Trump and no one was injured and there was no violence when Bernie was interrupted on stage. Trump rallies on the other hand.... So what's the difference? There are two main differences; 1) Bernie and Trump setting the examples that their followers follow and 2) the typical mentality of the supporters themselves. Trump supporters have already said they are mad as hell and want change (nothing wrong with simply being angry and wanting change, but resorting to violence shows ignorance).

Is that what I said? No. People should have the right to express their opinion, but they need to do so in a responsible and adult manner. Most of these protesters are not doing so.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Because every person expressing an opinion should be busted right in the mouth, eh? Because every person holding a sign deserves to be tackled and choked, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go to a Trump rally to "protest", but if someone standing there expressing an opinion or holding a sign enrages you to the point you feel the need to throw a punch or elbow someone in the mouth and say "next time I'll kill you", you have serious problems. This is the mentality of a lot of the Trump supporters. They have a similar mentality to the occupiers of the federal building and property in Oregon. Screw the government, they are bad and we want less of them.

We have already established that Bernie handled protesters vastly different than Trump and no one was injured and there was no violence when Bernie was interrupted on stage. Trump rallies on the other hand.... So what's the difference? There are two main differences; 1) Bernie and Trump setting the examples that their followers follow and 2) the typical mentality of the supporters themselves. Trump supporters have already said they are mad as hell and want change (nothing wrong with simply being angry and wanting change, but resorting to violence shows ignorance).

Are you just completely oblivious to the protesters and their antics by choice or sheer ignorance?

 

[mneilmont]

Are you just completely oblivious to the protesters and their antics by choice or sheer ignorance?

Would you say he is a bit difficult to reason with?