Question for our fans (Warning Long)

[Bulldawg77]

I am very curious to see read the responses here but this is a needed and warranted conversation.

There is no doubt we still have fans who vehemently hate the NIL and won’t give yet they also seem to be the loudest in the room when it comes to complaining about our football team and administration. That being said, here is my question to all of you.

Did watching our rival yesterday almost put 70k in the stadium, hosting and winning a playoff game change now how you view NIL and further more the BC/SEF/ BI?

Granted some on here like myself give and give freely and generously but did seeing our rival yesterday motivate you like myself to dig down and give a little more?

For those that don’t give did yesterday motivate you to look at this new era of football and decide to give even if it’s just 25 to 50 a month?’ (Don’t scoff at the small amount here every donation counts and helps)

I understand there is some trepidation about the program and leadership under Lebby and I to share some of of thoughts , however I still belive that we still need to arm the current leader with as much firepower as we can. This would not only show the current administration and staff we are committed as a fan base, but would also show that should we make a change in the very near future that this fan base is committed to winning and giving the needed resources to do so to be successful.

Never in the history of college football have fans had such a direct interest and impact on results on the field than they do now by giving and supporting the football program.

I have more to add, but I think this is a good conversation for us to look in the mirror and check our true potential and temperature of how we view NIL and if we are committed to doing exactly what our rivals did by embracing the new era and building and giving. Can we all pull together lock step and support the program… Again this isn’t a Lebby hate thread think bigger picture when answering. This isn’t to start and argument it’s to have a civil discussion about our program and fan base. No wrong answers here.

 

[PCHSDawg]

With the millions being made by college sports I have better places to spend what little extra I have. I may not be the demographic that you are asking this of, but I wouldn't donate to my favorite pro team and that is all college football is anymore.

 

[Pak Drescott]

There was a Mississippi State basketball game on at the same time and an NFL game so didn't catch any of their game. Plus they already destroyed Tulane once this year and didn't expect any different results the 2nd time. If me not paying college players means that we suck then I'll just have to live with that

 

[POTUS]

No. Ole Miss will not win the title. They cannot win it. There is a very limited club of programs who can win it. The only way in the club is to have a whole lot of money. You can tell that Ole Miss is not in it (and us) because the minute a program like ours (or theirs) knocks on the door of the club, the members come and take our shiny toys from us (Mullen, Kiffin, etc.). We will never take anything from them that they want to keep.

Texas Tech may buy their way into the club, but OM and State will not. So why give money to a game we literally cannot win? That's the question the NIL supporters have to answer.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Three points, and we'll see if YOU can be civil and attempt to understand.

1) As far as Ole Miss, no, that did not affect me. At least any more than Indiana and Texas Tech. This just proves that historical have nots can make the playoff. We will see how they ultimately do as far as a title but making the playoff is close enough in my view. I think we need to shed this whole 'what is Ole Miss doing' stuff but that's my opinion and I've been screaming it for years.

2) Money wise - no, I will not give to NIL. Not because of what you think......but because believe it or not, I did find a female to procreate with and now have other obligations besides MSU football. ESPECIALLY paying players. But fundamentally I do disagree that 'every little bit helps'. This isn't an election. $50 a month is $600 a year. No, that does not add up. It's a rich man's game, and they have to bear the brunt of NIL. Well, anything above our TV money or whatever.

I support by going to games. I will admit that most of my ticket buying and game attendance is baseball. If I ever did do NIL, it will likely be baseball.

3) I have a fundamental disagreement with how we are currently running our football program. I don't think we have much chance to be successful. This certainly affects my attendance at games. I have outlined my blueprint many times on here and a few agree, but we are in the minority, so I've damn near given up any hope. I really don't like our historical culture around football, and we all are aware of our built-in disadvantages......location, small population center state with divided allegiances, close to Ole Miss and Alabama, etc.

There you go. Bring on the insults.

 

[Mr. Cook]

Three points, and we'll see if YOU can be civil and attempt to understand.

1) As far as Ole Miss, no, that did not affect me. At least any more than Indiana and Texas Tech. This just proves that historical have nots can make the playoff. We will see how they ultimately do as far as a title but making the playoff is close enough in my view. I think we need to shed this whole 'what is Ole Miss doing' stuff but that's my opinion.

2) Money wise - no, I will not give to NIL. Not because of what you think......but because believe it or not, I did find a female to procreate with and now have other obligations besides MSU football. ESPECIALLY paying players. But fundamentally I do disagree that 'every little bit helps'. This isn't a vote. $50 a month is $600 a year. No, that does not add up. It's a rich man's game, and they have to bear the brunt of NIL. Well, anything above our TV money or whatever.

I support by going to games. I will admit that most of my ticket buying and game attendance is baseball. If I ever did do NIL, it will likely be baseball.

3) I have a fundamental disagreement with how we are currently running our football program. I don't think we have much chance to be successful. This certainly affects my attendance at games. I have outlined my blueprint many times on here and a few agree, but we are in the minority, so I've damn near given up any hope. I really don't like our historical culture around football, and we all are aware of our built-in disadvantages......location, small population center state with divided allegiances, close to Ole Miss and Alabama, etc.

There you go. Bring on the insults.

Well stated. Agree with virtually all of this.

And will add this: MSU leadership has an opportunity to rectify the current state of affairs. If watching the “in-state rival” isn’t enough motivation for MSU to do better, then not only am I deeply disappointed — it is undeserving of my financial support. I refuse to fund an athletic program that aspires to be .500.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If watching the “in-state rival” isn’t enough motivation for MSU to do better

Oh, make no mistake, that's the ONLY motivation. And maybe I'm alright with that, but what I do NOT want to see is us try to do things the exact same way they did. And I also want to see us continue to strive and execute a plan even when Ole Miss is not good.

They have a different dynamic than us. A notch better history, fan support, culture. It's just true. We should not follow their lead and aspire to be them.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Three points, and we'll see if YOU can be civil and attempt to understand.

1) As far as Ole Miss, no, that did not affect me. At least any more than Indiana and Texas Tech. This just proves that historical have nots can make the playoff. We will see how they ultimately do as far as a title but making the playoff is close enough in my view. I think we need to shed this whole 'what is Ole Miss doing' stuff but that's my opinion and I've been screaming it for years.

2) Money wise - no, I will not give to NIL. Not because of what you think......but because believe it or not, I did find a female to procreate with and now have other obligations besides MSU football. ESPECIALLY paying players. But fundamentally I do disagree that 'every little bit helps'. This isn't an election. $50 a month is $600 a year. No, that does not add up. It's a rich man's game, and they have to bear the brunt of NIL. Well, anything above our TV money or whatever.

I support by going to games. I will admit that most of my ticket buying and game attendance is baseball. If I ever did do NIL, it will likely be baseball.

3) I have a fundamental disagreement with how we are currently running our football program. I don't think we have much chance to be successful. This certainly affects my attendance at games. I have outlined my blueprint many times on here and a few agree, but we are in the minority, so I've damn near given up any hope. I really don't like our historical culture around football, and we all are aware of our built-in disadvantages......location, small population center state with divided allegiances, close to Ole Miss and Alabama, etc.

There you go. Bring on the insults.

No insults. I said this to be civil.
Indiana struck gold with Cig. No doubt. But Mark Cuban a few others are throwing money at the program after years of not supporting it. IU football history is worse than ours.
I think supporting baseball is like setting money on fire. It’s a niche sport that’s only really popular in the SE. I along with other (some very influential donors might i add) are moving funding from baseball. UVA damn near made the playoffs this year after defunding the BB program . No coincidence there.

Niche offenses don’t work in P4. No one runs one now because the majority of P4 teams don’t have to. We have greatly improved and closed the gap on NIl but could exceed our ceiling of everyone was lock step. Niche offense wouldn’t work in this modern era.

You say the 50 a month doesn’t count but if we had 5K giving 50 a month that’s 3MM collectively a year, if we had 10K or more at 50 a month that’s 6MM a year. So yes every little bit helps.
I appreciate you and others have family’s as do I. But I want to see us be successful in football and basketball.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

I am very curious to see read the responses here but this is a needed and warranted conversation.

There is no doubt we still have fans who vehemently hate the NIL and won’t give yet they also seem to be the loudest in the room when it comes to complaining about our football team and administration. That being said, here is my question to all of you.

Did watching our rival yesterday almost put 70k in the stadium, hosting and winning a playoff game change now how you view NIL and further more the BC/SEF/ BI?

Granted some on here like myself give and give freely and generously but did seeing our rival yesterday motivate you like myself to dig down and give a little more?

For those that don’t give did yesterday motivate you to look at this new era of football and decide to give even if it’s just 25 to 50 a month?’ (Don’t scoff at the small amount here every donation counts and helps)

I understand there is some trepidation about the program and leadership under Lebby and I to share some of of thoughts , however I still belive that we still need to arm the current leader with as much firepower as we can. This would not only show the current administration and staff we are committed as a fan base, but would also show that should we make a change in the very near future that this fan base is committed to winning and giving the needed resources to do so to be successful.

Never in the history of college football have fans had such a direct interest and impact on results on the field than they do now by giving and supporting the football program.

I have more to add, but I think this is a good conversation for us to look in the mirror and check our true potential and temperature of how we view NIL and if we are committed to doing exactly what our rivals did by embracing the new era and building and giving. Can we all pull together lock step and support the program… Again this isn’t a Lebby hate thread think bigger picture when answering. This isn’t to start and argument it’s to have a civil discussion about our program and fan base. No wrong answers here.

Not one bit

 

[aTotal360]

I didn't watch a single second of their game. I don't even watch much college sports unless it's a State game.

 

[olblue]

I am very curious to see read the responses here but this is a needed and warranted conversation.

There is no doubt we still have fans who vehemently hate the NIL and won’t give yet they also seem to be the loudest in the room when it comes to complaining about our football team and administration. That being said, here is my question to all of you.

Did watching our rival yesterday almost put 70k in the stadium, hosting and winning a playoff game change now how you view NIL and further more the BC/SEF/ BI?

Granted some on here like myself give and give freely and generously but did seeing our rival yesterday motivate you like myself to dig down and give a little more?

For those that don’t give did yesterday motivate you to look at this new era of football and decide to give even if it’s just 25 to 50 a month?’ (Don’t scoff at the small amount here every donation counts and helps)

I understand there is some trepidation about the program and leadership under Lebby and I to share some of of thoughts , however I still belive that we still need to arm the current leader with as much firepower as we can. This would not only show the current administration and staff we are committed as a fan base, but would also show that should we make a change in the very near future that this fan base is committed to winning and giving the needed resources to do so to be successful.

Never in the history of college football have fans had such a direct interest and impact on results on the field than they do now by giving and supporting the football program.

I have more to add, but I think this is a good conversation for us to look in the mirror and check our true potential and temperature of how we view NIL and if we are committed to doing exactly what our rivals did by embracing the new era and building and giving. Can we all pull together lock step and support the program… Again this isn’t a Lebby hate thread think bigger picture when answering. This isn’t to start and argument it’s to have a civil discussion about our program and fan base. No wrong answers here.

Spend your money how ever you see fit, but you will be a lot more content and have more time to ponder things that really matter if you stop thinking about how others spend theirs.

 

[RopeDawg]

delete

 

[Dawg1976]

Nope.

 

[Ranchdawg]

I came on here and asked why anyone was watching Old Myth when we were playing Memphis in basketball. Everyone knew the outcome of the football game so why waste the time?

I have loved college and pro football since I was 5 years old. I quit liking pro football after seeing some seedy crap going on with gambling back in 1980s. I loved the purity of amateur football although I've known cheating was going on as far back as Bear Bryant. However, it was not so rampant that I gave up on it like I did pro football. I predicted Saban would destroy college football when he was hired at Alabama. I knew he would get the boosters ramped up like he did at LSU. He did with his recruiting system and his assistants went to other schools and used it. I like being a conspiracy theorist because most of the time the truth eventually comes out.

Saban retired because he understood that NIL would neutralize his recruiting system and he could no longer stack the deck like he had in the past. We are indeed in a new era of college football and I find it ridiculous. Now I wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes. With this much money changing hands corruption is sure to follow. An Alabama baseball coach was fired because he was caught gambling on his games using the margin of victory. How many boosters were doing the same? Was Saban doing this with his boosters? Saban wasn't stupid enough to lay the bets himself.

We give $45/month to support a child in Africa. We give to our church and we give to the Bulldog Club. Of those 3 I see the BC as the lowest priority. I believe the problem with the "give until it hurts" posts like yours is that it ultimately doesn't matter. If we raise $40M most of the SEC will raise $80M. If we raise $50M they will raise $100M. Where does this stop? The purity of college football is gone and we will never get it back. NIL is supposed to be an athlete selling themselves for advertising rights. Instead it is fans throwing money to buy the best athletes.

So, what does this mean? I don't really care who wins the NC. They bought and paid for it. We are not going to match the big programs so going to bowl games is fine with me. In fact, I'm probably one of the few on here happy with Lebby. I was disappointed he didn't fire his DC last year. I'm willing to give him more time especially knowing the recruiting disadvantages he faces.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

No insults. I said this to be civil.
Indiana struck gold with Cig. No doubt. But Mark Cuban a few others are throwing money at the program after years of not supporting it. IU football history is worse than ours.
I think supporting baseball is like setting money on fire. It’s a niche sport that’s only really popular in the SE. I along with other (some very influential donors might i add) are moving funding from baseball. UVA damn near made the playoffs this year after defunding the BB program . No coincidence there.

Niche offenses don’t work in P4. No one runs one now because the majority of P4 teams don’t have to. We have greatly improved and closed the gap on NIl but could exceed our ceiling of everyone was lock step. Niche offense wouldn’t work in this modern era.

You say the 50 a month doesn’t count but if we had 5K giving 50 a month that’s 3MM collectively a year, if we had 10K or more at 50 a month that’s 6MM a year. So yes every little bit helps.
I appreciate you and others have family’s as do I. But I want to see us be successful in football and basketball.

Doesn't have to be niche offenses. We have to get innovative and creative from everything from roster management to tailgating.

We simply cannot just hope to land a great coach and let that be that. We need an overarching outline that makes hiring coaches easier because they fit the blueprint.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Three points, and we'll see if YOU can be civil and attempt to understand.

1) As far as Ole Miss, no, that did not affect me. At least any more than Indiana and Texas Tech. This just proves that historical have nots can make the playoff. We will see how they ultimately do as far as a title but making the playoff is close enough in my view. I think we need to shed this whole 'what is Ole Miss doing' stuff but that's my opinion and I've been screaming it for years.

2) Money wise - no, I will not give to NIL. Not because of what you think......but because believe it or not, I did find a female to procreate with and now have other obligations besides MSU football. ESPECIALLY paying players. But fundamentally I do disagree that 'every little bit helps'. This isn't an election. $50 a month is $600 a year. No, that does not add up. It's a rich man's game, and they have to bear the brunt of NIL. Well, anything above our TV money or whatever.

I support by going to games. I will admit that most of my ticket buying and game attendance is baseball. If I ever did do NIL, it will likely be baseball.

3) I have a fundamental disagreement with how we are currently running our football program. I don't think we have much chance to be successful. This certainly affects my attendance at games. I have outlined my blueprint many times on here and a few agree, but we are in the minority, so I've damn near given up any hope. I really don't like our historical culture around football, and we all are aware of our built-in disadvantages......location, small population center state with divided allegiances, close to Ole Miss and Alabama, etc.

There you go. Bring on the insults.

I find your 2nd hardest to believe. How did YOU find a female that would do that? ***

 

[olblue]

No insults. I said this to be civil.
Indiana struck gold with Cig. No doubt. But Mark Cuban a few others are throwing money at the program after years of not supporting it. IU football history is worse than ours.
I think supporting baseball is like setting money on fire. It’s a niche sport that’s only really popular in the SE. I along with other (some very influential donors might i add) are moving funding from baseball. UVA damn near made the playoffs this year after defunding the BB program . No coincidence there.

Niche offenses don’t work in P4. No one runs one now because the majority of P4 teams don’t have to. We have greatly improved and closed the gap on NIl but could exceed our ceiling of everyone was lock step. Niche offense wouldn’t work in this modern era.

You say the 50 a month doesn’t count but if we had 5K giving 50 a month that’s 3MM collectively a year, if we had 10K or more at 50 a month that’s 6MM a year. So yes every little bit helps.
I appreciate you and others have family’s as do I. But I want to see us be successful in football and basketball.

Cignetti is obviously one of the great hires anybody has made in the last 10 years. But it’s not just him. They have an AD that is not your typical athletic administrator who worked his way up through the ranks. He picked up some business acumen along the way. And it doesn’t hurt that he has access to Cuban’s brilliant and creative business mind (hence Campus Ink). Selmon doesn’t have that.

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[atomic dawg]

Probably not. I’m not going to say there won’t come a time where I would be willing to donate a little here and there but the whole premise of fans funding a semi pro team that flys under a university banner, while the team generates millions of dollars is stupid. We, the fan, have to BUY better athletes to have a chance at success??? No guarantees, mind you. Its just gambling on a bunch of 18, 19, and 20 something’s to perform as needed. Ultimately it’s really just a funding race of who has the most money.

Maybe if they implement contracts, salary caps and other stipulations to bring some degree of parity, it might be worth it. As it stands now, at smaller schools you’re mostly throwing your money away. There are much better ways to invest.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Feel like digging deep and donating more isn’t an effective strategy without some very different approach because we’re poorer than everyone else in the SEC. If we did it based on a bidding war, other teams would dig deeper and get their fans to donate more, so we’d just drive up the price for the exact same output. It’s like the opposite of undercutting price; it’s not in and of itself a strategy and doesn’t work

I want us to fund our rev sharing maximum so I’m fine with that. Would be helpful to see where that money is coming from. I tried to find some financial statements for our athletic department in the past and couldn’t find anything with enough detail to be useful but that may have changed.

if I were in a financial situation where I felt good about retirement, kids’ college, and general savings, I would do it but I’m not there. I make good money but in a very uncertain industry/position with a slow job turnaround if I lose my current one so I try to set a lot aside until I feel very comfortable with where my finances are at

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Fire Keenum and then we can have a conversation.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Doesn't have to be niche offenses. We have to get innovative and creative from everything from roster management to tailgating.

We simply cannot just hope to land a great coach and let that be that. We need an overarching outline that makes hiring coaches easier because they fit the blueprint.

The game day changed in tailgating have been tremendous. If you haven’t noticed then you havent attended games this year

 

[L4Dawg]

No, I do not like the way college sports is going at all.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Cignetti is obviously one of the great hires anybody has made in the last 10 years. But it’s not just him. They have an AD that is not your typical athletic administrator who worked his way up through the ranks. He picked up some business acumen along the way. And it doesn’t hurt that he has access to Cuban’s brilliant and creative business mind (hence Campus Ink). Selmon doesn’t have that.

Mark Cuban told CBS Sports he gave “big number” donation to IU Athletics

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Selman has done a tremendous job cleaning up the disaster that was the cohen error.
Yes we need to get football off and running. I laid out the positives on Friday in a thread.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

No. Ole Miss will not win the title. They cannot win it. There is a very limited club of programs who can win it. The only way in the club is to have a whole lot of money. You can tell that Ole Miss is not in it (and us) because the minute a program like ours (or theirs) knocks on the door of the club, the members come and take our shiny toys from us (Mullen, Kiffin, etc.). We will never take anything from them that they want to keep.

Texas Tech may buy their way into the club, but OM and State will not. So why give money to a game we literally cannot win? That's the question the NIL supporters have to answer.

Ole Miss can 100 % win the national title. 3 of the 4 games in the next round of the playoff have a spread of a touchdown or less. There has never been more parity.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Ole Miss can 100 % win the national title. This is a bunch of cope. 3 of the 4 games in the next round of the playoff have a spread of a touchdown or less.

I am intrigued to see if Indiana and Ole Miss do like the typical have-nots in this next round, or if they are legit contenders. History would tell you that Alabama and Georgia would methodically plow them.

 

[Maroon13]

OM having that game yesterday pissed me off. It pissed me off when they were pushing "taking over Davis Wade" and our fans didn't buy tickets. It pissed me off when we hired an inexperienced HC. It pissed me off to sit around opposing fans every home game and hear trash talk. All this causes me to wonder if State even has enough fans willing to come to a game to help right the ship, much more give blindly to nil.

It makes me mad we can't win one damn sec game. But Vandy can. Indiana can win their conference. It makes we question many many things at MSU rather than motivate me to give more. (I buy 4 season tickets I don't need and give a little to SEF).

1. I'm afraid our leadership is incompetent and State just simply can't attract good coaches.

2. Fans not coming to games. Does State even have enough fans that care enough to come? No, no we don't. Even in 2014 some games were an easy ticket.

3. More direct to your question, I think it's plainly obvious we don't have the nil funds that others have. I agree with Goat, we can have a grass roots pledge drive to raise funds but ultimately we need a few more millionaires and billionaires to spearhead NIL. I simply believe State doesn't have the number of millionaires other schools have.

So yeah .... maybe yesterday doesn't motivate me to give more. However it motivates me to really analyze deeper if State is really willing and capable from Keenum to Selmon to Lebby to the last fan. From what I see.... no.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

I am intrigued to see if Indiana and Ole Miss do like the typical have-nots in this next round, or if they are legit contenders. History would tell you that Alabama and Georgia would methodically plow them.

The days of Georgia and Alabama having the depth to do that are over. They still have the talent to win the whole thing and a lot of years a blue blood still will, but Indiana and Ole Miss will be in the game and it will be close. Of course there will still be blowouts sometimes as well, just like the NFL has blowouts in the playoffs. But systematically the teams are equal enough talent wise at this stage that either team could win. Indiana beat Ohio State a couple of weeks ago. Ole Miss is 12-1. The portal has changed everything. The lack of depth has evened the playing field. This would be the best time in our history to actually accomplish something if we were run competently. I don’t believe we are run competently so it’s just a big waste of time and money for us currently, IMO….but if we ever get our heads out of our asses and get a good coach and complete buy in from the donors we can do the same thing OM is doing. It’s there for the taking if we get our sh*t together. All of the older systems handicapped us to the point that I did not blame leadership for our lack of ability to compete. This system in place puts the responsibility solely on our leadership and is shining a bright light on the incompetence. There is no more blaming the system. It’s all on us now. There are plenty with our type history doing much better than us.

 

[ckDOG]

What OM does or doesn't do has zero impact on how I give my money to anyone.

 

[Herbert Nenninger]

I’d love to contribute, but I’m still paying off my ER bill from last year’s potato incident.

 

[BTCMoonBoy]

I have more money than I can spend in two lifetimes and wouldn’t give a torn $2 bill to NIL

 

[Maroon13]

Well stated. Agree with virtually all of this.

And will add this: MSU leadership has an opportunity to rectify the current state of affairs. If watching the “in-state rival” isn’t enough motivation for MSU to do better, then not only am I deeply disappointed — it is undeserving of my financial support. I refuse to fund an athletic program that aspires to be .500.

Well said.

They have a law firm in Ridgeland handling their nil and jones. Who the hell do we have? One guy in Starkville?

They have a billionaire willing to get down in the streets. I don't think we do.

for clarification I see the benefactors of MSU all over the campus. I appreciate their contributions. I won't say what they should or shouldn't do with their money. That's their prerogative.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Nope!

But if I did have the money to donate, it would go to Baseball first, Football second.

Also remember that State has prided itself on being “The People’s University”.

We have the highest diversity Alumni in the State. Many are former foreign students who don’t give a flip about American Football. I grew up in the Delta. Many of the Farners kids in my age group attended Mississippi State. They got married and had kids. The girls grew up and went to Ole Miss instead of State. They married Rebels. Their kids are now Ole Miss students. It is a social thing. SAD! I flat told my son, I would help him as much as I could if he went to State. I couldn’t help much. He chose State anyway. And loves it like he loves his dog!

Loyalty from the most successful MSU graduates or Former Athletes who are very successful is where the NIL funding has to come from. Most of us could buy a couple of players a pizza. It’s the AD’s job to get those pros involved financially.

 

[Dawg Raid]

I won’t give to NIL but I also never planned to give money to the university. I have more important things to give money to

 

[HotMop]

I am very curious to see read the responses here but this is a needed and warranted conversation.

There is no doubt we still have fans who vehemently hate the NIL and won’t give yet they also seem to be the loudest in the room when it comes to complaining about our football team and administration. That being said, here is my question to all of you.

Did watching our rival yesterday almost put 70k in the stadium, hosting and winning a playoff game change now how you view NIL and further more the BC/SEF/ BI?

Granted some on here like myself give and give freely and generously but did seeing our rival yesterday motivate you like myself to dig down and give a little more?

For those that don’t give did yesterday motivate you to look at this new era of football and decide to give even if it’s just 25 to 50 a month?’ (Don’t scoff at the small amount here every donation counts and helps)

I understand there is some trepidation about the program and leadership under Lebby and I to share some of of thoughts , however I still belive that we still need to arm the current leader with as much firepower as we can. This would not only show the current administration and staff we are committed as a fan base, but would also show that should we make a change in the very near future that this fan base is committed to winning and giving the needed resources to do so to be successful.

Never in the history of college football have fans had such a direct interest and impact on results on the field than they do now by giving and supporting the football program.

I have more to add, but I think this is a good conversation for us to look in the mirror and check our true potential and temperature of how we view NIL and if we are committed to doing exactly what our rivals did by embracing the new era and building and giving. Can we all pull together lock step and support the program… Again this isn’t a Lebby hate thread think bigger picture when answering. This isn’t to start and argument it’s to have a civil discussion about our program and fan base. No wrong answers here.

That game was so covered that it was shown on TNT, nobody cared.

I'll still not donate a dime to a Professional Football Player that has zero loyalty to anyone but themselves, see the portal for that complaint.

 

[campshelbydog1116]

Nope!

But if I did have the money to donate, it would go to Baseball first, Football second.

Also remember that State has prided itself on being “The People’s University”.

We have the highest diversity Alumni in the State. Many are former foreign students who don’t give a flip about American Football. I grew up in the Delta. Many of the Farners kids in my age group attended Mississippi State. They got married and had kids. The girls grew up and went to Ole Miss instead of State. They married Rebels. Their kids are now Ole Miss students. It is a social thing. SAD! I flat told my son, I would help him as much as I could if he went to State. I couldn’t help much. He chose State anyway. And loves it like he loves his dog!

Loyalty from the most successful MSU graduates or Former Athletes who are very successful is where the NIL funding has to come from. Most of us could buy a couple of players a pizza. It’s the AD’s job to get those pros involved financially.

Not saying you should not do whatever you want with your money, but this is a major reason we struggle to compete in football. Everyone else in our league cares more about football than any other sport. Our fans do not. If that mindset does not shift, we will never be all in the way OM is or be able to compete at that level. If a baseball school is what we want to be, then so be it. Whatever makes people happy. It’s not my business to tell people what they should enjoy. But it’s a fact that we can’t be what our ceiling is in football with our boosters being this obsessed with baseball. Maybe that’s not a bad thing, but it is a thing.

 

[rockydawg1013]

Nope. Not at all. College athletics is absolute garbage right now. I’m not giving one red cent to an 18 year old who can change their mind next year.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

If college football is considered an investment by the fans,

1. I want players to sign contracts
2. I want players to finish the season
3. I want coaches to be paid by the win.
4. I want detailed budget statements.
5. I want P/E statements and cost/benefit analyses charted every season.

Imagine shaming shareholders to commit their cash without any of this stuff.

 

[MStateU]

Nope. Have never. Will never.

I spend plenty with the university. I have a degree and am paying for another with one child now.

I choose to buy season tickets as to how I spend my money. 8 in football and 4 in baseball. Those tickets and bulldog club dues are way more than $25-$50 a month. That’s how I support athletics.

What will make everyone’s life easier is to spend your money however you want and I’ll do the same.

 

[Mr. Cook]

OM having that game yesterday pissed me off. It pissed me off when they were pushing "taking over Davis Wade" and our fans didn't buy tickets. It pissed me off when we hired an inexperienced HC. It pissed me off to sit around opposing fans every home game and hear trash talk. All this causes me to wonder if State even has enough fans willing to come to a game to help right the ship, much more give blindly to nil.

It makes me mad we can't win one damn sec game. But Vandy can. Indiana can win their conference. It makes we question many many things at MSU rather than motivate me to give more. (I buy 4 season tickets I don't need and give a little to SEF).

1. I'm afraid our leadership is incompetent and State just simply can't attract good coaches.

2. Fans not coming to games. Does State even have enough fans that care enough to come? No, no we don't. Even in 2014 some games were an easy ticket.

3. More direct to your question, I think it's plainly obvious we don't have the nil funds that others have. I agree with Goat, we can have a grass roots pledge drive to raise funds but ultimately we need a few more millionaires and billionaires to spearhead NIL. I simply believe State doesn't have the number of millionaires other schools have.

So yeah .... maybe yesterday doesn't motivate me to give more. However it motivates me to really analyze deeper if State is really willing and capable from Keenum to Selmon to Lebby to the last fan. From what I see.... no.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

The resources we have not only is directly tied to the talent on the field, but the resources we have and/or have available dictate the quality assistant coach, head coach, AD to President we can attract and hire.

yes, we need more millionaires to give, but we need the new graduate sending in $50 a month too.