Question for Stans critics?

[jlat13]

Brady argument is dumb to me. They got fired because their schools don't accept mediocrity. I had friends say they wanted to keep Stans because it was the one program right now that isn't a joke. Is that how we really feel? That could explain why Gottfried and Brady were fired. They had down seasons and their other athletic programs were doing well, so they just didn't accept it. I think Stans is a great defensive coach, good recruiter, and not the worst coach ever at making adjustments. My real gripes are on the offensive side of the ball.

But anyway, what other power conference coach keeps a coach after the following results...
2004-2005 = 8 seed
2005-2006 = 15-14 record
2006-2007 = NIT birth
2007-2008 = 8 seed<span class="text_exposed_show">
2008-2009 = 13 seed
2009-2010 = NIT birth
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<span class="text_exposed_show">Is this the consistency you speak of? I mean we are consistently decent. Hey, if that is the best we can do, then so be it. But, we haven't done anything over the last few years. If that's all we can expect from your basketball program, then keep Stansbury. But I don't think he would still have a job at many other schools. </span></p>

 

[Coach34]

I dont want the consistency we have- consistently average

I'd rather mix in a couple of losing seasons in between Sweet 16 or Elite 8 runs than play weak schedules and then have to win the SEC Tourney every year to get into the NCAA Tourney

 

[Dawgfan61]

C34 wrote:

I'd rather mix in a couple of losing seasons

Now that is ignorant, its your personal choice and you are entitled to it. But, I would rather make the tournament more years than not and consistently have chances to breakthrough to a sweet 16 or elite 8 and never have a losing season.

In the last 3 years has Stansbury's program started falling? I would agree and say yes. He needs to do something next year especially if the field expands to 96 teams. But to do the John Brady approach I say unequivocally 17 NO, I would much rather compete year in and year out than mix in a few losing seasons.

The perfect example is Gonzaga. Take away Gonzaga's first few years in the tournament and they haven't been that successful. They have gone out in the second round each of the last two years that I know of and maybe longer back than that.

 

[Hanmudog]

How many schools have fired coaches that have done this:
-won 93 games the last 4 years
-been to the NCAA tournament 50% of his seasons

And you are flat out wrong about the reasons Gottfried and Brady were fired. Medicority my butt, their teams were awful in their last years. If they had a 24 win season in their last season then they would have still been at their respective schools.

 

[fishwater99]

Made the tourney and to the second round this year and he was still canned...</p>

 

[Coach34]

Last 11 years:

LSU has 5 NCAA's, 2 NIT's, 3 SEC Titles, a Sweet 16, a Final Four

State has 6 NCAA's, 3 NIT's, 1 SEC Title, 2 SEC Tourney titles


How anybody would want that over having some greatness from time to time is amazing to me

 

[Hanmudog]

Made the tourney and to the second round this year and he was still canned...</p>

MSU basketball does not equal Wake Forest basketball. Do you think Wake will be better next year as a result? I don't.

Stansbury should be fired when the following things happen:
1.) SEC record is below .500
2.) Fail to win at least 20 games
3.) Fail to make any post season tournament.
4.) Gets caught partying with hookers and coke.

 

[MSUArrowCS]

but those first three criteria are complete garbage, given the state of the SEC West and the abundance of postseason tourney bids. Winning 20 and being at .500 used to mean something when the conference was worth a crap, but neither of those is a ticket to the Big Dance anymore.

 

[Hanmudog]

but those first three criteria are complete garbage, given the state of the SEC West and the abundance of postseason tourney bids. Winning 20 and being at .500 used to mean something when the conference was worth a crap, but neither of those is a ticket to the Big Dance anymore.

I did not say these things were great accomplishments. They aren't. However, those criteria are generally what merits a firing. We would look like total morons for firing a guy that just won 24 games and went 9-7 in their conference. Find me one single coach in the history of the SEC that has been fired after a season comparable to that. It shouldn't take long....there is not one.

PS: For the last MFing time for you reading impaired Stans bashers....I think Stans did a bad job this season and his seat needs to be at least a little warm to get him to perform better.

 

[MSUCosmo]

How about firing a coach that went 22-14, 8-8 in the much more respected SEC East and lost in the 3rd round of the NIT?

Or what about one who went 22-12, 9-7 in that same SEC East and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tourney?


I introduce you to Billy Clyde Gillispie and Tubby Smith.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Brady lucked up and got those NBA players.

 

[Dawgfan61]

How about just posting results for all years including records. LSU had some extremely ****** teams in that span. And their future TODAY looks absolutely horrid. They very nearly went winless in the SEC this year. How anyone can tolerate that for a couple of more NCAA tourney victories is completely beyond me.

 

[Coach34]

There are plenty of examples of coaches having NBA players on their teams and not doing as much as Brady or Williams did when they got their one chance

In Williams case, he made the Sweet 16 with only one NBA player who was no better than Jarvis on the offensive side of the ball- and it took the National Champion to beat him out at that.

 

[Hanmudog]

How about firing a coach that went 22-14, 8-8 in the much more respected SEC East and lost in the 3rd round of the NIT?

Or what about one who went 22-12, 9-7 in that same SEC East and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tourney?

I introduce you to Billy Clyde Gillispie and Tubby Smith.

You got me there but I will add that Gillespie's drinking problem had alot to do with his firing and was Tubby officially "fired"? I can't remember.

 

[Coach34]

When all is said and done- does it matter than Stansbury won a few more games vs Jacksonville State, Belmont, and Auburn than LSU did?

The end result is what matters, and when you look at the end results, theirs are better than ours...being decent every year is nothing to get all excited about

 

[Hanmudog]

When all is said and done- does it matter than Stansbury won a few more games vs Jacksonville State, Belmont, and Auburn than LSU did?

The end result is what matters, and when you look at the end results, theirs are better than ours...being decent every year is nothing to get all excited about

Ask LSU fans how excited they are about hoops right now. Or better yet.....ask yourself.

 

[MSUArrowCS]

In my opinion, if we are consistently missing the tournament, that would merit firing. Maybe that's unreasonable, but we've seen that it can be done. It's certainly reasonable relative to Stansbury's salary. It's entirely possible for us to consistently win 20, go .500 and still be on the outside looking in, as we all know. If we were to be in that situation year after year, then why the hell would we (MState) want to allow it to continue?

For the record, I'm nowhere near a Stans basher, nor do I want him going anywhere, but the guy is making 1.3 million. That's #30 in the country as far as salaries go, according to this data: http://www.usatoday.com/s...ches-salary-database.htm

If we want a mediocre coach that's under no pressure to consistently make the tourney, we can get one for less that 1.3 mil.

Personally, I think we have the chance to be relevant in basketball. I want Stans to continue to do what it takes to keep it that way. Playing cream puffs and making no adjustments to your core staff while your performance is slipping would seem to indicate that Stans is getting pretty cozy in Starkville. I hope he's willing to do what it takes for us to be successful, that's all. I'm not ready to see the guy go, but the idea that we could never fire him if he's not doing what he can to make us successful seems ridiculous, whether he's winning 15 games or 25.

 

[Coach34]

if I have the confidence its going to lead to something.

Pelphrey?? Should have been better this season- suspensions and injuries killed them. He damn well better get it done in 2011

Johnson? He chose the 2 season rebuild. I don't agree with it, but if he gets the desired results down the road it's no problem.

Stansbury?? Knowing that possibly winning the West and barely qualifying for the NCAA Tourney is as good as its ever going to get is pretty depressing come March every season

 

[Dawgfan61]

surely you can be honest with yourself and answer that question.

 

[Coach34]

however, if we screw it up again, and end up in the NIT aGAIN, it doesnt really matter

 

[Dawgfan61]

With the 96 team field I doubt we ever miss the tourney again. If you go to the dance enough times eventually you get to dance with the prom queen. Unlike LSU who is stuck at home after almost going winless in the conference. That is hard to do.

You don't mind a few losing years. Hell I do mind, unlike LSU it would take MSU a lot more time to recover from a few losing seasons. I would rather be at the doorstep consistently.

 

[Coach34]

and actually makes it worse smelling the aroma when the door opens and you stuck on the outside.

We havent been inside since 1996, and we won't get in again until we get another coach to lead us

 

[Coach34]

Would you rather sleep with Kate Hudson or Jessica Alba every now and then when they come in town, or would you rather have Connie Britton a couple of nights a week coming over to stay the night?


I'll pick my spots with Hudson and Alba over quantity with Britton

 

[Dawgfan61]

Yeah LSU got to bang Hudson and Alba, but they are getting 17ed in the *** by Deebo (the bad guy from Friday) now. Excuse me but I never want that to happen.

Seriously, I understand your point, I JUST DON"T AGREE WITH YOU. That doesn't make you or me wrong. We just have differences of opinion. Surely you are adult enough to respect someone else's opinion.

 

[MSUCosmo]

I guess my problem with the whole thing is, MSU fans always seem to have that "we can't do any better than what we've got now" attitude and would rather wait till we hit rock bottom so the decision is made with a much clearer conscience.

In 2 decades we've had 3 football coaches. In 2001, it started to go downhill and nobody wanted to believe it. We held on for 2 more seasons and the program has yet to recover. Croom gave us 4 years of evidence that his offense was not going to work but we just had to hold on till 45-0 happened.

Same story in baseball, essentially 3 coaches in 2+ decades and even then we had MSU fans kicking and screaming as "The Legend" was being shown the door.

So finally here we are in hoops, only on our 2nd coach in 2 decades waiting on rock bottom to happen and even then we will have a healthy share of fans putting up a fight if Stans is told to walk.

MSU fans, especially basketball, say that the formula for hiring a coach (an up and comer, successful mid major) wouldn't work here. We finally broke down and tried it in football and it's still too early to tell. But, has "the MSU way" of giving coaches lifetime free reign had much success here recently?

 

[1MSUDawgFan]

that makes him making the dance at below 50%............in medical sales, you come in 50%, and you are fired. no questions asked. I dont know any medical sales reps making 1.3 million either.......accountability is all im saying......winning the sec west doesnt get you to the dance......and THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.....

And batting .400 in baseball gets you in the HOF. And baseball players make a hell of alot more than 1.3 million a year. Keep things in perspective here. Sports analogies with the real world typically don't relate.

 

[mstatedawgs]

retardation runs rampant on this board.

 

[jlat13]

That isn't cherry picking... In most coaching jobs they don't care what you did two season ago much less six. I am not saying he should have been fired this year. I actually was always a Stansbury supporter. I was shocked when I went back and saw how mediocre we have been. I am not going to say I am okay with losing seasons because I am not, but I'm also not satisfied with being a bubble team year in and year out.

I will never say I would rather have Gottfried or Brady, but when you play a non-conference schedule like we do, the whole 93 wins argument is complete BS. The SEC has been down overall the last few years. And honestly getting in the tournament 50% of the time isn't good enough to me. My main points with Gottfried and Brady are this... People say we shouldn't fire Stans because he is the winningest coach in School history, he has led us to X number of SEC west championships. (All past events) Its a MSU attitude that keeps us where we are. If Gottfried and Brady had the exact same records they had at their schools at MSU people would point to the final four's and elite eights to say they shouldn't be fired.

Next year, everyone won't expect much from us. We will go 8-8/9-7 in the SEC, win most of our terrible nonconference games, and be on the bubble again. Everyone will say we overacheived and we shouldn't have expected anything more.Well, I expect more and honestly MSU should too. But come year after next, it will be the same thing and that is how we will always be.