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Are you all still standing by Donnie Jr’s meeting as a smoking gun?

@countryroads89 @Boomboom521

I’m curious, was he colluding or was he seeking “opposition research”, the term now being thrown about by the left at a cyclic rate.

Also, what are your thoughts that HRC funded firm arranged the meeting with a Kremlin agent and Donnie Jr.?

Thoughts? Comment?
 

atlkvb

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Are you all still standing by Donnie Jr’s meeting as a smoking gun?

@countryroads89 @Boomboom521

I’m curious, was he colluding or was he seeking “opposition research”, the term now being thrown about by the left at a cyclic rate.

Also, what are your thoughts that HRC funded firm arranged the meeting with a Kremlin agent and Donnie Jr.?

Thoughts? Comment?

It was still Trump's fault. He knew that they knew that he knew that the Russians were working with Hillary to make sure he couldn't use them to turn her smears on him into smears on her so he is trying now to flip the legitimate dirt she had dug up on him into a campaign to smear her using the Russians to fake her smears on him into false smears on her.

That's your "collusion".

************late add***************...and Country steps right into it and proves my absurd sh*t by posting even more absurdity to defend Hillary and still blame Trump!!!!! Almost right on cue proving my point!!!!!!
Just read the next post (#4) that country added to this thread after I posted my crazy sh*t that country stepped right into... unreal

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Yes, Donnie Jr colluded. Classic definition.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign national

(a) it shall be unlawful for

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Hillary's campaign paid for opposition research to a D.C. Firm. It happens all the time, even the Republican (unnamed) did it in the primary.

As far as Hilary funding the firm that arranged the meeting, i haven't seen a credible source say that.

I have seen this from the WaPo dated July 11:

This week’s revelations about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyerhave shined a new spotlight on a small Washington opposition research firm that worked with her on a legal case for years and then subsequently commissioned a dossier full of salacious allegations of the Russian government’s attempts to collude with the Trump presidential campaign.

The firm, Fusion GPS, will be one subject of a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing next week that was planned well before the story broke of Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Fusion GPS says it had no involvement in the meeting although it did work on a lawsuit that involved Veselnitskaya for more than two years. The firm’s work on the Trump dossier was on a different timeline. Nevertheless, Trump’s legal team is already conflating the two issues as part of their defense of the president’s son.
 

atlkvb

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Yes, Donnie Jr colluded. Classic definition.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign national

(a) it shall be unlawful for

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.


Hillary's campaign paid for opposition research to a D.C. Firm. It happens all the time, even the Republican (unnamed) did it in the primary.

As far as Hilary funding the firm that arranged the meeting, i haven't seen a credible source say that.

I have seen this from the WaPo dated July 11:

This week’s revelations about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyerhave shined a new spotlight on a small Washington opposition research firm that worked with her on a legal case for years and then subsequently commissioned a dossier full of salacious allegations of the Russian government’s attempts to collude with the Trump presidential campaign.

The firm, Fusion GPS, will be one subject of a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing next week that was planned well before the story broke of Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Fusion GPS says it had no involvement in the meeting although it did work on a lawsuit that involved Veselnitskaya for more than two years. The firm’s work on the Trump dossier was on a different timeline. Nevertheless, Trump’s legal team is already conflating the two issues as part of their defense of the president’s son.

OK country...so using your own explanation of this...explain how what Donnie "received" or even "solicited" from that 5 minute meeting constituted "collusion" and the payments Hillary's campaign made directly to that same Russian affilliated group through the DNC in exchange for "receiving" their fake dossier wasn't "collusion"?

I'm dying to hear your Perry Mason on this one.
 
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TarHeelEer

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Yes, Donnie Jr colluded. Classic definition.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign national

(a) it shall be unlawful for

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Hillary's campaign paid for opposition research to a D.C. Firm. It happens all the time, even the Republican (unnamed) did it in the primary.

As far as Hilary funding the firm that arranged the meeting, i haven't seen a credible source say that.

I have seen this from the WaPo dated July 11:

This week’s revelations about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyerhave shined a new spotlight on a small Washington opposition research firm that worked with her on a legal case for years and then subsequently commissioned a dossier full of salacious allegations of the Russian government’s attempts to collude with the Trump presidential campaign.

The firm, Fusion GPS, will be one subject of a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing next week that was planned well before the story broke of Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Fusion GPS says it had no involvement in the meeting although it did work on a lawsuit that involved Veselnitskaya for more than two years. The firm’s work on the Trump dossier was on a different timeline. Nevertheless, Trump’s legal team is already conflating the two issues as part of their defense of the president’s son.

Well, I've had this one saved for a special moment, this seems like the time.

Link

You see, your own Russian law professors already confirmed that Clinton did indeed break 18 § 953.

"A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election can be a crime," Persily said. "And if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it could be a crime."

Persily pointed to a 2011 U.S. District Court ruling based on the 2002 law. The judges said that the law bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate."

Another election law specialist, John Coates at Harvard University Law School, said if Russians aimed to shape the outcome of the presidential election, that would meet the definition of an expenditure.

"The related funds could also be viewed as an illegal contribution to any candidate who coordinates (colludes) with the foreign speaker," Coates said.

Translation for you:

«Иностранные государственные расходы на финансирование федеральных выборов могут быть преступлением», - сказала Перси. «И если гражданин США соглашается, вступает в сговор или помогает в этих расходах, тогда это может быть преступлением».

Настойчиво указала на 2011 г. США. Решение районного суда на основании закона 2002 года. Судьи сказали, что закон не политический ».

Джон Коутс из юридического факультета Гарвардского университета сказал, что если русские будут принимать решение о президентских выборах.

«Связанные с этим средства также могут рассматриваться как незаконный вклад в любой кандидат с координатами (сговорами) с иностранным докладчиком», - сказал Коутс.
 

atlkvb

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Well, I've had this one saved for a special moment, this seems like the time.

Link

You see, your own Russian law professors already confirmed that Clinton did indeed break 18 § 953.

"A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election can be a crime," Persily said. "And if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it could be a crime."

Persily pointed to a 2011 U.S. District Court ruling based on the 2002 law. The judges said that the law bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate."

Another election law specialist, John Coates at Harvard University Law School, said if Russians aimed to shape the outcome of the presidential election, that would meet the definition of an expenditure.

"The related funds could also be viewed as an illegal contribution to any candidate who coordinates (colludes) with the foreign speaker," Coates said.

Translation for you:

«Иностранные государственные расходы на финансирование федеральных выборов могут быть преступлением», - сказала Перси. «И если гражданин США соглашается, вступает в сговор или помогает в этих расходах, тогда это может быть преступлением».

Настойчиво указала на 2011 г. США. Решение районного суда на основании закона 2002 года. Судьи сказали, что закон не политический ».

Джон Коутс из юридического факультета Гарвардского университета сказал, что если русские будут принимать решение о президентских выборах.

«Связанные с этим средства также могут рассматриваться как незаконный вклад в любой кандидат с координатами (сговорами) с иностранным докладчиком», - сказал Коутс.

Classic!:eek:kay:
 

Boomboom521

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Someone’s all giddy and tingly aren’t they?

Junior’s email chain, I feel, reveal the desire for collusion with a foreign government.

I don’t think it should be a legitimate campaign strategy, but I think hiring an organization to research an opponent is ok (especially if you believe that opponent is dangerous to the nation). As the Republican candidates that began the research thought as well.

I’m very interested in the recent and potentially damning information on the conduct of Clinton’s campaign and the DNC. I look forward to a thorough explaination from either the House, Senate, or IC investigation. I think any key evidence that proves Clinton-Podesta-etc....were working with a foreign government to sway the election should lead to indictments.

My Russian obsession is less about my hatred for Trump (although it’s true I’ve been seething since election night), and more about my concern for Russian influence over the election process in the US. Social media combined with the discrediting of traditional media outlets and the advanced technological abilities of Russian operatives has brought us to a critical period of vulnerability, IMO. I am concerned about their strategy, the status of our defense, and the potential for figures to use the Russian influence for political gain. So.....if Clinton or the DNC were guilty of using Russia, I’m glad they are going to get exposed.
 
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Well, I've had this one saved for a special moment, this seems like the time.

Link

You see, your own Russian law professors already confirmed that Clinton did indeed break 18 § 953.

"A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election can be a crime," Persily said. "And if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it could be a crime."

Persily pointed to a 2011 U.S. District Court ruling based on the 2002 law. The judges said that the law bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate."

Another election law specialist, John Coates at Harvard University Law School, said if Russians aimed to shape the outcome of the presidential election, that would meet the definition of an expenditure.

"The related funds could also be viewed as an illegal contribution to any candidate who coordinates (colludes) with the foreign speaker," Coates said.

Translation for you:

«Иностранные государственные расходы на финансирование федеральных выборов могут быть преступлением», - сказала Перси. «И если гражданин США соглашается, вступает в сговор или помогает в этих расходах, тогда это может быть преступлением».

Настойчиво указала на 2011 г. США. Решение районного суда на основании закона 2002 года. Судьи сказали, что закон не политический ».

Джон Коутс из юридического факультета Гарвардского университета сказал, что если русские будут принимать решение о президентских выборах.

«Связанные с этим средства также могут рассматриваться как незаконный вклад в любой кандидат с координатами (сговорами) с иностранным докладчиком», - сказал Коутс.


You realize your link supports exactly what I said, right? Do you not understand what you posted? You just confirmed little hands jr broke the law.

Thanks!
 

TarHeelEer

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You realize your link supports exactly what I said, right? Do you not understand what you posted? You just confirmed little hands jr broke the law.

Thanks!

I don't have a problem with him going to jail. But Hillbag will be going for a lot longer.
 

atlkvb

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Lots to "unpack" here boom...you're making good arguments but for the wrong reasons!

Junior’s email chain, I feel, reveal the desire for collusion with a foreign government.

Perhaps...but legally no damages are either alleged or proved. OTOH with Clinton and Podesta we've created a whole potential illegal scenario complete with possible criminal indictments based on a fictitious document illegally solicited and paid for directly by the opposing candidate's party! There is not only illegality involved here, but actual damages if Trump wanted to press charges in the case. He was slandered and libeled!

I don’t think it should be a legitimate campaign strategy, but I think hiring an organization to research an opponent is ok

Again, noting illegal here. However when the intent is to disrupt the legitimate election process and then hide their activity or blame the disruption of the electoral process on your intended opponent to cover your own tracks, not only is that "collusion", as @TarHeelEer pointed out in his post it is indeed illegal!

As the Republican candidates that began the research thought as well.

Regardless, it was Hillary and the DNC that executed the ultimate strategy and with help of the media and "never Trump" Republicans floated the fake dossier around until someone had the nerve to publish it (Buzzfeed) then they used it as a basis of an alleged plot to steal the election. Again if not illegal, slanderous.

I’m very interested in the recent and potentially damning information on the conduct of Clinton’s campaign and the DNC

Good. Because Congressional investigations into their money laundering and bribery racket should result in some indictments, and convictions. It was criminal AND illegal.

I think any key evidence that proves Clinton-Podesta-etc....were working with a foreign government to sway the election should lead to indictments.

All of the evidence points directly to them for exactly that purpose boom. Lynch, Comey, Clapper, Holden Powers...they all were in on the scam trying to assure Hillary's election so it all could just be easily swept away with no one aware of anything. Trump's election screwed up the whole scam, now it's all unraveling with the Democrats playing 'possum' trying to expose it all. You should be angry as hell at them!

My Russian obsession is less about my hatred for Trump (although it’s true I’ve been seething since election night), and more about my concern for Russian influence over the election process in the US. Social media

Then you should be more angry with the laziness, stupidity, bias, and wrongness of the American news media. Without their complicity in this scam and refusal to fully expose it, the American people would be better informed and outraged over the level of Democrat cheating throughout the entire process...from Bernie getting robbed in the primaries to Hillary's illegal U1 Russian deals. Forget Social media and the Russians their (main news media's) silence and refusal to report on damaging evidence against Hillary has enabled and emboldened the cheating Dems to cheat even more. People aren't being told and that's not only bias it's dangerous.

combined with the discrediting of traditional media outlets and the advanced technological abilities of Russian operatives has brought us to a critical period of vulnerability, IMO.

Again boom, the American media has brought discredit upon themselves by their one-sided feigned ignorance over Hillary's ongoing corruption. Their hatred for Trump has left them either creating issues against him or speculating on non issues, meanwhile Hillary's blatant disregard for our Law goes unchecked or uncalled by them. They've lost all credibility and the Russians couldn't have been more damaging to them even if they were trying to discredit them.

I am concerned about their strategy, the status of our defense

There is only one defense against criminality and lies boom. Truth and respect for the Law. This nation at its core, is a nation of Laws and no one person or party is supposed to be above it! (Law) Tell that to the Left, Hillary, or the modern Democrat party. to them, the Law is what they say it should be or is for their own selfish purposes.

and the potential for figures to use the Russian influence for political gain

Dems were certainly trying to use the Russians for their own political gain, and they had the nerve to blame Trump for doing what they were already knee deep in!

So.....if Clinton or the DNC were guilty of using Russia, I’m glad they are going to get exposed

Here I agree with you but again I'm not sure we see it the same way? You are worried about how the Russians successfully infiltrated our electoral processes to influence our votes. I'm concerned about that, but not as much as I am angry over how the Democrat party used them to try and steal the election by creating an alibi and blaming Trump for the crime!

Big difference Boom.
 
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mule_eer

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Are you all still standing by Donnie Jr’s meeting as a smoking gun?

@countryroads89 @Boomboom521

I’m curious, was he colluding or was he seeking “opposition research”, the term now being thrown about by the left at a cyclic rate.

Also, what are your thoughts that HRC funded firm arranged the meeting with a Kremlin agent and Donnie Jr.?

Thoughts? Comment?
Can't I think that both sides did stupid stuff that was at best questionable judgement and at worst illegal? Junior shouldn't have taken that meeting. He's a political novice, but Manafort, a participant, isn't. That's troubling to me. I can list a number of troubling things about HRC's campaign as well. It all goes back to a choice between 2 horrible major party candidates. That's why I couldn't make myself vote for either of them.
 

atlkvb

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Can't I think that both sides did stupid stuff that was at best questionable judgement and at worst illegal

Yes, because one side was (poor judgement) and the other side certainly was (illegal)

I'll let you figure out which was which but they are NOT the same.
 

mule_eer

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Yes, because one side was (poor judgement) and the other side certainly was (illegal)

I'll let you figure out which was which but they are NOT the same.
Illegal requires proof. Right now I would say both exhibited poor judgement, but the status may jump to illegal for either or both based on continuing investigation.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Are you all still standing by Donnie Jr’s meeting as a smoking gun?

@countryroads89 @Boomboom521

I’m curious, was he colluding or was he seeking “opposition research”, the term now being thrown about by the left at a cyclic rate.

Also, what are your thoughts that HRC funded firm arranged the meeting with a Kremlin agent and Donnie Jr.?

Thoughts? Comment?
Yes, I do. Especially with the emails Jr. released.
 

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Someone’s all giddy and tingly aren’t they?

Junior’s email chain, I feel, reveal the desire for collusion with a foreign government.

I don’t think it should be a legitimate campaign strategy, but I think hiring an organization to research an opponent is ok (especially if you believe that opponent is dangerous to the nation). As the Republican candidates that began the research thought as well.

I’m very interested in the recent and potentially damning information on the conduct of Clinton’s campaign and the DNC. I look forward to a thorough explaination from either the House, Senate, or IC investigation. I think any key evidence that proves Clinton-Podesta-etc....were working with a foreign government to sway the election should lead to indictments.

My Russian obsession is less about my hatred for Trump (although it’s true I’ve been seething since election night), and more about my concern for Russian influence over the election process in the US. Social media combined with the discrediting of traditional media outlets and the advanced technological abilities of Russian operatives has brought us to a critical period of vulnerability, IMO. I am concerned about their strategy, the status of our defense, and the potential for figures to use the Russian influence for political gain. So.....if Clinton or the DNC were guilty of using Russia, I’m glad they are going to get exposed.
You do realize that desire doesn't mean he did. Do you really rob a bank if you can't break into it?
 

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Illegal requires proof. Right now I would say both exhibited poor judgement, but the status may jump to illegal for either or both based on continuing investigation.
If one fails to get anything from a meeting, does that rise to criminal act? Merely wanting information isn't a crime if you don't get any, correct?
 

WVUCOOPER

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If one fails to get anything from a meeting, does that rise to criminal act? Merely wanting information isn't a crime if you don't get any, correct?
Perhaps a board lawyer could jump in, but I think you are way off on that point. It's the intent.

That said, I'm not sold on collusion being illegal. Makes the lies and stories so much more fascinating.
 

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You do realize that desire doesn't mean he did. Do you really rob a bank if you can't break into it?
You don’t have to actually kill a President to be arrested on charges either. Sometimes the attempt is all that needs to happen in order for guilt to be present. I’m not saying this is the case with junior, but it’s enough for me to be concerned about the actions of the Trump campaign.
 

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You don’t have to actually kill a President to be arrested on charges either. Sometimes the attempt is all that needs to happen in order for guilt to be present. I’m not saying this is the case with junior, but it’s enough for me to be concerned about the actions of the Trump campaign.
Personally, I think both instances of this are fine. I think Donnie Jr taking a meeting for the purpose of doing Opposition Research is no different than the DNC/HRC paying for opposition research.

I do think it’s a little shady that Fusion facilitated the meeting between Donnie Jr. and this Kremlin agent while being under the employ of the DNC/HRC. To me, I think that was purposefully done as a Machiavellian maneuver. But, whatevs, it’s politics.

I just want some consistency, they’re either both wrong or they’re both fine.
 

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As long as you are saying both instances are, then I’m fine. They either both are or they both aren’t.
I think they both are, but also see the difference between using a Russian agent and a Western intelligence agent. At least to me.
 

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Perhaps a board lawyer could jump in, but I think you are way off on that point. It's the intent.

That said, I'm not sold on collusion being illegal. Makes the lies and stories so much more fascinating.
Alan Dershowitz says collusion isn't a crime. Not good, but isn't a crime. This may be what hilliary needs to get out of jail on that charge. However, taking a bribe is and the Clintons did.
 

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You don’t have to actually kill a President to be arrested on charges either. Sometimes the attempt is all that needs to happen in order for guilt to be present. I’m not saying this is the case with junior, but it’s enough for me to be concerned about the actions of the Trump campaign.
Be concerned about every campaign but your high and mighty appraoch seems to leave out how dirty the Clintons and Obama seem to be on the U1 deal, with bribes, and authorizing the sell and paying a foreigh agent to put together a completely false dossier.
 

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Be concerned about every campaign but your high and mighty appraoch seems to leave out how dirty the Clintons and Obama seem to be on the U1 deal, with bribes, and authorizing the sell and paying a foreigh agent to put together a completely false dossier.
It’s not “high and mighty”.....I said that I’m very interested in the seemingly damning information regarding the U1 deal. I also said I’m glad to see that it’s being investigated. I’m not a worshipper of all things Democrat, AP, I don’t like conservative policy more than I like conservative policy......but at our heart......most of us hold allegence to good government, liberty, and civilized society.
 

atlkvb

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Perhaps a board lawyer could jump in, but I think you are way off on that point. It's the intent.

That said, I'm not sold on collusion being illegal. Makes the lies and stories so much more fascinating.

Coop "intent" is the whole basis Comey used not to indict Hillary over her illegal use of that server was it not? So let's suppose Trump Jr. showed no intent to use any information gathered from that BS meeting, does that now make him innocent in your eyes?

Isn't that what you're arguing trying to say he's still guilty regardless of what actually happened after the meeting?
 
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WVUCOOPER

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Coop "intent" is the whole basis Comey used not to indict Hillary over her illegal use of that server was it not? So let's suppose Trump Jr. showed no intent to use any information gathered from that BS meeting, does that that now make him innocent in your eyes?

Isn't that what you're arguing trying to say he's still guilty regardless of what actually happened after the meeting?
It is. Though I'm not arguing, nor am I in a position to argue, if it's criminal/illegal. As I have stated numerous times, I do not think "collusion" is illegal.
 

atlkvb

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It is. Though I'm not arguing, nor am I in a position to argue, if it's criminal/illegal. As I have stated numerous times, I do not think "collusion" is illegal.

OK Coop, then explain what the Left has been in such anorexia nervosa over during the past year about Trump and "collusion"?

Isn't Trump correct it's just their BS excuse for trying to explain how Hillary lost?
 

WVUCOOPER

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OK Coop, then explain what the Left has been in such anorexia nervosa over during the past year about Trump and "collusion"?

Isn't Trump correct it's just their BS excuse for trying to explain how Hillary lost?
Oh look this conversation again. Ask them. My guess is the vocal idiots think Mueller is going to install a Democrat President. My hope is that we the voters learn what went on and actually hold our electeds accountable. I don't hold out much hope. Good luck on your quest!
 

atlkvb

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Oh look this conversation again. Ask them. My guess is the vocal idiots think Mueller is going to install a Democrat President. My hope is that we the voters learn what went on and actually hold our electeds accountable. I don't hold out much hope. Good luck on your quest!

Nice dodge Coop. You good!
 
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As long as you are saying both instances are, then I’m fine. They either both are or they both aren’t.
and that is the trouble with dems/libs....to them one is real and the other is fake news....their only problem as it seems to me is that the situation is reversed on them now......what they hoped was true wasn't and what they hoped wasn't true is........it must be hell to be a dyed in the wool democrat these days....no wonder they are on here bitching about DJT every waking minute....it's to try to cover up their own party's failings.....but when your party spokesperson is wearing a silly looking cowboy hat....well that's hard to hide
 

atlkvb

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and that is the trouble with dems/libs....to them one is real and the other is fake news....their only problem as it seems to me is that the situation is reversed on them now......what they hoped was true wasn't and what they hoped wasn't true is........it must be hell to be a dyed in the wool democrat these days....no wonder they are on here bitching about DJT every waking minute....it's to try to cover up their own party's failings.....but when your party spokesperson is wearing a silly looking cowboy hat....well that's hard to hide

A couple of them are on here trying to say Trump defenders are deflecting from his lies by going after Hillary.

But two things about that are true.

1) They haven't specified what Trump is lying about? (on his collusion)

2) They are ignoring or refuse to defend Hillary's and the entire Democrat party's lies about Trump's alleged "collusion" with Russians.

So I'm asking any of them accusing us (Trump defenders) to give us what he is lying about and I'd also like for one of them to defend Hillary's and/or all the Democrat lies on this story?

Any takers?
 
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mule_eer

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A couple of them are on here trying to say Trump defenders are deflecting from his lies by going after Hillary.

But two things about that are true.

1) They haven't specified what Trump is lying about?

2) They are ignoring or refuse to defend Hillary's and the entire Democrat party's lies about Trump and his "collusion" with Russians.

So I'm asking any of them accusing us (Trump defenders) to give us what he is lying about and I'd also like for one of them to defend Hillary's and/or all the Democrat lies.

Any takers?
What about the lies about the meeting with the Russian? It went from "it never happened" to "it wasn't fruitful" once the email chain got out. Also, it went from "only Trump, Jr" to "junior, Manafort and Kuschner". How are those not lies?
 

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What about the lies about the meeting with the Russian? It went from "it never happened" to "it wasn't fruitful" once the email chain got out. Also, it went from "only Trump, Jr" to "junior, Manafort and Kuschner". How are those not lies?
They are lies. They just want it reposted and reposted and reposted.....