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Houstondog

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I played football for MSU and my best friend did not even play High School ball. He claims to know more about the game (X and O's) than I do. My question to the pack is, can someone who has never set foot on a football field really understand what is going on?
 

noxdog

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I don't think he played college FB. Ask Manny Diaz. That should answer your question.
 

jcdawgman18

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I agree with you. But, just because someone played longer than someone else doesn't necessarily mean they know more. The best players don't always make good coaches and mediocre to below average players turn into great coaches. <div>
</div><div>ETA: I think to have a FULL understanding, you need to have played some ball. You need to understand that things don't always go as planned, stuff like that.</div>
 

mabtsdawg

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Whether or not someone has played football, his/her comments are welcome here. So, even if they don't actually know anything about what is going on in a football game, they can post about it.
 

noxdog

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Who am I thinking of that coaches in the NFL? Mcdaniels? Wiess I know did not. any others?
 

FlabLoser

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Not football, but Ken Hitchcock coached the Dallas Stars to in NHL's Stanley Cup. Before that, he coached championship teams at every level of hockey starting with little kids leagues. He never played hockey a day in his life.

So yeah, I'd say it is possible for somebody that never played a sport to know a lot about it. MSU's own Manny Diaz has never played football, at least not at the college level.
 

Original48

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"Diaz, who worked at ESPN from 1995 to 1997, was a Miami Herald Honorable Mention All-Dade County Scholar-Athlete for football, basketball, and baseball in 1991. "

"Sean attended Naperville Central High School in Naperville, IL, starting as quarterback his senior year before graduating in 1982. He then had a successful career playing quarterback at Eastern Illinois University, leading the Panthers to an 11–2 record and the quarter-finals of the Division I-AA Playoffs in 1986; while at EIU, he became a member of the Sigma Chi Fraternity. The Panthers, under Payton's lead, were called Eastern Airlines during this time because of their passing game, typically in which Payton would throw for 300 to even 500 yards per game. He followed Jeff Christensen who was drafted by the Bengals and had a brief NFL career.

Professional career
Playing career
In 1987, he played quarterback for the Chicago Bruisers during the inaugural season of the Arena Football League. He was also a member of the Chicago Bears squad of replacement players during the 1987 NFL players strike. In 3 games he completed 8 of 23 passes (34.8%), for 79 yards, 0 TDs, and 1 INT, for a QB Rating of 7.3. He was also sacked 7 times for 47 yards and had one rush attempt for 28 yards.

In 1988, he played in the United Kingdom for the Leicester Panthers. Payton landed the starting quarterback role for the Panthers. Payton led the Panthers to a touchdown on the first possession. That same season saw the Panthers go to the Quarterfinals of the British League, eventually losing to the London Olympians after Payton had returned early to the US to take up a coaching position."
 

Todd4State

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for sure, and you would definately be more qualified to run a team based on your experience. But as far as X's and O's- and strictly X's and O's- it's not like that info isn't abudant on the Internet.

You can find all kinds of old playbooks on pretty much any offense, defense, or ST out there- and from people like Bill Walsh, Bill Bellicheck, Bear Bryant, and I've even found a MSU playbook from Joe Lee Dunn out there, and all of those are pretty informative sources of info, and the stuff that doesn't make a lot of sense can also be looked up fairly qiuckly with google. This is going to sound a little bit silly to, but I really think the Madden and NCAA football video games also are helpful as far as "educating" the casual fan on some of the X's and O's. If I want to see some Spread offense plays, I can download a MSU playbook on PS3 on NCAA and see some "sample" plays are generic for that type of offense. Now, by no means does looking up a bunch of playbooks and playing video games make someone an expert, but it does educate to a degree.

Also ESPN, and stuff like the NFL Network does a lot of really cool stuff explaining X's and O's as well to the casual fan.

Personally, as far as baseball, I never played myself above 8th grade competitively. But, my Dad played baseball at MSU, and he would take me to Jackson Mets games as a child- I was six or so, and he would educate me on the game. He would tell me stuff like why a manager would do something or why a pitcher would throw a pitch in a certain situation, or what a hitter would be thinking. I also had an uncle that played professionally for the Kansas City Royals and St. Louis Cardinals in the big leagues for nine seasons as a relief pitcher, and later he coached minor league baseball for years. When I was in college at MSU, I would spend my spring break in Florida at spring training, and my uncle would let me hang out with the team. I learned a LOT about baseball just by doing that and seeing what they taught and how they taught it, and also how they coached it. My Uncle taught me a LOT about pitching and also what it really takes to make it and stay at the MLB level. A lot of people don't appreciate how much work it takes to get to that level, along with the God given talent. I honestly believe that I have the work ethic to make it and the desire, but I don't have the talent. Even though I don't have the talent, I am very blessed to have even been in a situation where I was allowed to hang out with those guys for free and just learn.

My favorite memory of all time growing up was watching the 1990 Mayor's Trophy Game with my Dad, and we were sitting behind first base. The umpire screws up a call at first that allowed Ole Miss to have a runner that shouldn't have been there. My Dad goes- "Todd, you're about to see an arguement, so let's get our shots in". My Dad then proceeds to yell at the umpire, and thus teaches me how to yell at an umpire- you know stuff like if you use a lot words with P's, you can get a lot of spit on an umpire, use technical stuff like "you were out of position" and sure enough Ron Polk comes out, argues with the home plate umpire for a little bit, and then Polk trots out to the first base umpire and just goes off on the guy in classic Polk fashion right there in front of me and my Dad. The umpire actually kicked Polk out twice because he wouldn't get off of the field. It was the BEST arguement I have ever seen live. And the whole time, my Dad is telling me what's going to happen. Stuff like- "Yeah, this is going to take awhile", "He's going to try to take him down the RF line", and "The other umpires must think that guy is a real *******, because no one is helping him get Polk off of the field". It was awesome.
 

rhs43

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Lawrence Frank who coached the New Jersey Nets was never able to make his high school team, but I have always been the person to think that it really helps to have played at least on the college level to really understand the x's and o's of said sport. There are some exceptions, like the ones that have been mentioned here. These are the people that really love the sport they did play, so when their playing days are over, they stick around the game in another way. The JUCO baseball program I played for always let walk-ons who didn't make the team get first dibs at manager, which I'm sure is not all that uncommon. So, if your friend was involved in football in some other way like being a manager or grad assistant, he might still know a lot, but if he never did anything like that, I would tell him to kiss my ***. It really helps to be around the game in some capacity to really know the x's and o's.
 

Optimus Prime 4

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Paul Johnson and Charlie Weis both only played like one year of football I think, and they're pretty knowledgeable.
 

VirgilCain

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they seem to know their stuff better than most players.

After a quick search, I can't even find mention of him playing highschool basketball
 

Todd4State

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Sorry, couldn't help myself. It was a good life lesson for all though:

1. Don't lie on your resume, people might actually check the validity of it.

2. Don't lie on your resume, people might actually call your references. Or look for an action shot for the media guide- like ND did with O'Leary.

3. If you're going to be the HC of ND, don't lie on your resume. You might find yourself at Central Florida getting beat by a guy like Sly Croom in the Liberty Bowl 10-3 wondering where it all went wrong, but at least you got some good bar-b-que out of it somehow.

And a random thought: Is George O'Leary only allowed to be the head coach of teams that have gold in them- GT, ND redacted, and UCF?
 

Todd4State

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that Tony Robertson, a former MSU player under Felker, and card carrying member of the Tech and 10 team, would post some highly questionable stuff on Genespage.

Of course, he may not have believed everything he typed and just supported Croom regardless, but he had some Grande Internet cred on the Lake. He may still post there, I don't know.

Also, how can we forget our very own Troy McClure, an alleged Jackie Sherrill special teamer.