Question worth asking yourself?

Pospecteer

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I think its been proven that no one can peaceably march or protest any more...whether it be on the left or right. Not a lot of MLKs out there any more. Seems like the only people that protest are ****ing kooks w/ nothing better to do...again on both sides.

How convenient..no more rioting...if everyone did not see this coming a mile away...this is not even like...the 2nd man in fighting
 

WVUALLEN

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Do you think the founding fathers would agree?

The Founders designed a government that would resist mob rule. They didn’t anticipate how strong the mob could become.

Madison referred to impetuous mobs as factions, which he defined as a group united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community. Factions arise, he believed, when public opinion forms and spreads quickly. But they can dissolve if the public is given time and space to consider long-term interests rather than short-term gratification.
 

WVUALLEN

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I think its been proven that no one can peaceably march or protest any more...whether it be on the left or right. Not a lot of MLKs out there any more. Seems like the only people that protest are ****ing kooks w/ nothing better to do...again on both sides.

Martin Luther King Jr. is spinning in his grave. With all of the racial divisiveness and hatred going on now, the entire county is sitting on a powder keg.
 

oceantide83

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Under no circumstance. Thanks for the softball.
So let me get this straight. If the government decides the population of this country needs reduced in order to have enough food for everybody and to reduce pollution and orders that 25% needs to be eliminated, you are just going to sit there in compliance with a smile on your face hoping you're one of the ones selected for sacrifice?
 

moe

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So let me get this straight. If the government decides the population of this country needs reduced in order to have enough food for everybody and to reduce pollution and orders that 25% needs to be eliminated, you are just going to sit there in compliance with a smile on your face hoping you're one of the ones selected for sacrifice?
Well, first I'm going to shove you and your family to the front of the population reduction line as a favor to everybody. If you have something serious to say then say it. You're beyond stupid here. By the time we reach your apocalyptic scenario, society as we know it would have fallen apart and it would already be every man/woman for themselves. I love this thread as right wing retards fish for reasons for armed insurrection. Slow news day I guess.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I think this was not a good reason, but I think our politicians has gotten to big for there britches..
They have let power go to their heads & need to realize power resides in the people.
Would love to see people from all political ideologies step up & march.
I'm against violence unless they try & change the constitution...then let all hell break loose
Vote better. We get the elected representatives we elect.
 

cam_blev

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Vote better. We get the elected representatives we elect.
The problem with this is the type of person that wants to be a ruler is not the type of person that you need to be the ruler.

Addition:
Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them.
-Michael Malice
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The problem with this is the type of person that wants to be a ruler is not the type of person that you need to be the ruler.

Addition:
Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them.
-Michael Malice
Notice I said elected representatives, and not leaders. To the other point, again, our representative behave the way we allow them to. Vote them out unless they serve their constituency per the platform they were elected on. Trump, for his many failings, delivered or attempted to deliver on almost everything he ran and was elected on. Certainly more so than any President in the past that I can remember.
 

cam_blev

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Notice I said elected representatives, and not leaders. To the other point, again, our representative behave the way we allow them to. Vote them out unless they serve their constituency per the platform they were elected on. Trump, for his many failings, delivered or attempted to deliver on almost everything he ran and was elected on. Certainly more so than any President in the past that I can remember.
He didn't end a single war and he (or at least the government under him) spent as much money as every president before Obama combined in less than 4 years.
 

cam_blev

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Notice I said elected representatives, and not leaders. To the other point, again, our representative behave the way we allow them to. Vote them out unless they serve their constituency per the platform they were elected on. Trump, for his many failings, delivered or attempted to deliver on almost everything he ran and was elected on. Certainly more so than any President in the past that I can remember.
Which representative is it that was supposed to not be elected that led to the NSA spying on every us citizen allowing our government to piss all over the 4th amendment, lie about it, then there are no consequences?
 

cam_blev

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Yes.

You are ignorant on the history of the country, what the constitution means and how our government works. Educate yourself.
Do you believe the government follows the rules that were put in place to keep it contained?
If the answer is no how do you think you will replace those that have already trampled on your rights and disregarded the constitution by playing their game in which they don't have to follow the rules.
 

WVUBRU

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Do you believe the government follows the rules that were put in place to keep it contained?
If the answer is no how do you think you will replace those that have already trampled on your rights and disregarded the constitution by playing their game in which they don't have to follow the rules.
Yes and no. For the most part, the government works as designed. There are checks and balances and often times, either the legislative or executive branch attempts to go too far and that is where the Judicial system is there for to make sure it stays within the guardrails. And more often than not in our history, it has worked.

I don't understand your comments on the 4th amendment fully but if you are railing against the Patriot Act, I would agree with you that it is a violation. I said it on here in many posts many years ago and I maintain that position. I spoke up on here many times to hold those that favored it responsible and vote them out on that one issue alone. However, even if our government and our elected officials attempt to go too far, the citizens have no right to enact violence and do what they did yesterday. And the President inciting the violence was a direct conflict of his oath and is a violation of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
 

Pospecteer

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Well, first I'm going to shove you and your family to the front of the population reduction line as a favor to everybody. If you have something serious to say then say it. You're beyond stupid here. By the time we reach your apocalyptic scenario, society as we know it would have fallen apart and it would already be every man/woman for themselves. I love this thread as right wing retards fish for reasons for armed insurrection. Slow news day I guess.

I read the book 1984 in 1978. My class agreed that this would never happen....welcome to 2023...he was only off by 30 years....not too shabby.
 

roadtrasheer

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Vote better. We get the elected representatives we elect.
I see your point & I try & research every person I vote for ....but we have people voting just on party lines & swallowing MSM garbage.
I hate that the protests went violent but hopefully some politicians **** themselves just a tad bit ....
I think the two party system sucks , the party heads run the politicians & I dont believe voting better will change that , if a D or R dont toe the party line they lose money come election time . The party will find a different candidate to primary against the rebel . I dont believe for a moment Biden wanted Kamala as VP
 

Pospecteer

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Yes and no. For the most part, the government works as designed. There are checks and balances and often times, either the legislative or executive branch attempts to go too far and that is where the Judicial system is there for to make sure it stays within the guardrails. And more often than not in our history, it has worked.

I don't understand your comments on the 4th amendment fully but if you are railing against the Patriot Act, I would agree with you that it is a violation. I said it on here in many posts many years ago and I maintain that position. I spoke up on here many times to hold those that favored it responsible and vote them out on that one issue alone. However, even if our government and our elected officials attempt to go too far, the citizens have no right to enact violence and do what they did yesterday. And the President inciting the violence was a direct conflict of his oath and is a violation of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Put down the crack pipe...you have officially lost it.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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He didn't end a single war and he (or at least the government under him) spent as much money as every president before Obama combined in less than 4 years.
Dude, from a foreign war perspective, we’re so much closer to the end now than we were before he took office, it’s not even debatable. There are less folks in Iraq and AFG combined than there used to be at one MOB. I think we’re down to like 5000 total and almost all of that is in an advisory capacity. We have less people there than we do in Germany.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Which representative is it that was supposed to not be elected that led to the NSA spying on every us citizen allowing our government to piss all over the 4th amendment, lie about it, then there are no consequences?
I’m not sure I understand you’re question.

Regardless, you’re not going to get me defending the Patriot Act. I’ve been against it from the start. It took exactly 1 administration for all of the concerns I had with it to come to fruition.
 

cam_blev

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I’m not sure I understand you’re question.

Regardless, you’re not going to get me defending the Patriot Act. I’ve been against it from the start. It took exactly 1 administration for all of the concerns I had with it to come to fruition.
Do you think the Patriot Act could have been prevented by "electing better representatives"?
 

oceantide83

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Well, first I'm going to shove you and your family to the front of the population reduction line as a favor to everybody. If you have something serious to say then say it. You're beyond stupid here. By the time we reach your apocalyptic scenario, society as we know it would have fallen apart and it would already be every man/woman for themselves. I love this thread as right wing retards fish for reasons for armed insurrection. Slow news day I guess.
It is such a treat that you allow me to trigger you so easily. Thank you.
 

dedhoops24

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Riiiiiight like I'm going to put that out there in a public forum Mr. FBI agent

At least you wackos know that the crazy **** you spew on the internet has eyes on it now.....

@WVU82 should be shitting his diaper for what he has published on this board......
 

cam_blev

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What about if people stormed the capitol claiming that the government lied us into war and was spending billions and sending civilians to die based off of lies? What about if it was just after the war was starting and it could save millions of lives and dollars?
 

dave

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Under what circumstances and for what reasons would it be justified for angry citizens to storm the capitol?
Lets discuss a rigjt way and a wrong way for citizens to "storm" the capitol.

Pushing through security, ignoring police commands and interrupting official proceedings including violence and destruction of proerty is never right.

Storming the capitol in mass numbers to peacefully, loudly and respectfully protest the government's actions is more safe and ultimately more effective if your intention is to have the support of Americans in massive numbers.