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realhoops2

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1. Reconfigured oline is worst than last seasons version despite same personnel. Injuries are no excuse.
2. Play calling is suspect at best. Very predictable and extremely lateral. Middle of the field is not utilized.
3. Defensive scheme every week allows wide open receivers in the 1st half. The scheme is changed at halftime and 2nd half pass defense is much better. This pattern is repeated week after week. Thats poor game planning and that's on the coaching staff.
 
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ruvsi

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1. Reconfigured online is worst than last seasons version despite same personnel. Injuries are no excuse.
2. Play calling is suspect at best. Very predictable and extremely lateral. Middle of the field is not utilized.
3. Defensive scheme every week allows wide open receivers in the 1st half. The scheme is changed at halftime and 2nd half pass defense is much better. This pattern is repeated week after week. Thats poor game planning and that's on the coaching staff.
Offense could not run or pass on the middle of the field. It did not matter we were getting called for delay of game penalties. How do you get a delay of game coming off a timeout? Never saw that before today.
 

Caliknight

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I’m guessing Gleeson had a play call that was too risky for Schianos liking so they tried to switch it up to something that was less likely to turn the ball over and it caused the delay.

The problem is this isn’t changing. Schiano is the exact same guy. I give him credit for hiring Gleeson and attempting to get modern. He’s just not capable of it ultimately. It’s not who he is nor will he ever be. He’d rather win a 10-7 game then a 45-43 game.
 
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I’m guessing Gleeson had a play call that was too risky for Schianos liking so they tried to switch it up to something that was less likely to turn the ball over and it caused the delay.

The problem is this isn’t changing. Schiano is the exact same guy. I give him credit for hiring Gleeson and attempting to get modern. He’s just not capable of it ultimately. It’s not who he is nor will he ever be. He’d rather win a 10-7 game then a 45-43 game.
Maybe it was the same play, but going into a commercial break, Schiano cupped the microphone on his headset and he was screaming into it.
 

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I‘m firmly in the lack of talent crowd. I don’t care what plays are being called, if you can’t block the defensive front consistently, it all doesn’t natter. They had like 65 yds on 32 carries.or so rushing. . The QB was under consistent pressure and had to move. The team played poorly and had way too many penalties and mistakes. Ulimately it goes on the coaches but they do not have enough B1G level talent. It’s not really going to be about play calling until the team has some speed and some more athletic lineman.
 

RUJMM78

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I‘m firmly in the lack of talent crowd. I don’t care what plays are being called, if you can’t block the defensive front consistently, it all doesn’t natter. They had like 65 yds on 32 carries.or so rushing. . The QB was under consistent pressure and had to move. The team played poorly and had way too many penalties and mistakes. Ulimately it goes on the coaches but they do not have enough B1G level talent. It’s not really going to be about play calling until the team has some speed and some more athletic lineman.
Schiano knows the team lacks talent and therefore game strategy is to protect the football by conservative playcalling and try to control field position by punting the ball near the opponents goal line.Early success against out of conference opponents was based on turnovers which aren't happening against league competition.
 

koleszar

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1. Reconfigured online is worst than last seasons version despite same personnel. Injuries are no excuse.
Don't get this one. When two of five starters are hurt at a position where you didn't have any depth at to begin with. Because the previous recruiting at the position was atrocious for years, how are injuries not an excuse? Offensive lineman take years to develop, if the previous guys leaves you sh*t, you'll have sh*t. A lot of these backups will be processed out before their Senior year.
 
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BigEastPhil

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Schiano continues to be risk averse ; continues to be stubborn and continues to be a poor game day coach Not a good combo. #!Free Snyder.
 
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RAC’emUp

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Offense could not run or pass on the middle of the field. It did not matter we were getting called for delay of game penalties. How do you get a delay of game coming off a timeout? Never saw that before today.
Actually I’m pretty sure it happened earlier in the year. And it definitely happened with Ash. Of course it should never happen.
 

Scarlet_Monster

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I get the OL may not be polished but Pierce is nearly 7 feet tall and in the mid 300s you'd think just with raw power he'd be able to push forward. I've never seen an OL absolutely fail to do any thing especially on screen plays where they are getting beat by 180lb corners.

Honestly Aurich has been kind of a bust he couldn't close the deal with players he was the HC for in HS, and as the OL as poorly rated they might have been out of HS don't look one iota better in the season and a half he's been coaching them.
 

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I’m guessing Gleeson had a play call that was too risky for Schianos liking so they tried to switch it up to something that was less likely to turn the ball over and it caused the delay.

The problem is this isn’t changing. Schiano is the exact same guy. I give him credit for hiring Gleeson and attempting to get modern. He’s just not capable of it ultimately. It’s not who he is nor will he ever be. He’d rather win a 10-7 game then a 45-43 game.
Who really knows. We don't have a QB to win a 45-43 game.
 

Jtung230

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Coaches don’t have confidence in this OL group. I can assure you that GS would love to run wildknight on short yardage. The only reason we don’t is because he knows we won’t get it. Look at those QB draws. DL was running through our OL, not around.
 
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Rokodesh

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Don't get this one. When two of five starters are hurt at a position where you didn't have any depth at to begin with. Because the previous recruiting at the position was atrocious for years, how are injuries not an excuse? Offensive lineman take years to develop, if the previous guys leaves you sh*t, you'll have sh*t. A lot of these backups will be processed out before their Senior year.
Greg has already flushed out the Ash guys he didn't want. O'Neal is a good player, Sutton is a good player. Who are the Ash backups waiting to be processed? You can now bring in experienced kids through the portal. Ash was fired 2 years ago. This is all Schiano's team.
 

Jtung230

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Greg has already flushed out the Ash guys he didn't want. O'Neal is a good player, Sutton is a good player. Who are the Ash backups waiting to be processed? You can now bring in experienced kids through the portal. Ash was fired 2 years ago. This is all Schiano's team.
Kids that can play go to the portal to land on good teams. Don’t think kids say let me go help this team rebuild in my senior year.
 

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I was hoping/expecting we'd win this one too.... but alas, it's going to take a couple more years. I still have faith that Greg will get it done. It's not all his fault... we need a few more recruiting cycles with Greg's players. Then we'll see.
 
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Letitrip

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Greg has already flushed out the Ash guys he didn't want. O'Neal is a good player, Sutton is a good player. Who are the Ash backups waiting to be processed? You can now bring in experienced kids through the portal. Ash was fired 2 years ago. This is all Schiano's team.
Silly post and not a realistic expectation.
 

Shelby65

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I’m guessing Gleeson had a play call that was too risky for Schianos liking so they tried to switch it up to something that was less likely to turn the ball over and it caused the delay.

The problem is this isn’t changing. Schiano is the exact same guy. I give him credit for hiring Gleeson and attempting to get modern. He’s just not capable of it ultimately. It’s not who he is nor will he ever be. He’d rather win a 10-7 game then a 45-43 game.
Yes he’d rather win 10-7 but that philosophy of scoring one TD guarantees you’ll lose.
 
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realhoops2

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Don't get this one. When two of five starters are hurt at a position where you didn't have any depth at to begin with. Because the previous recruiting at the position was atrocious for years, how are injuries not an excuse? Offensive lineman take years to develop, if the previous guys leaves you sh*t, you'll have sh*t. A lot of these backups will be processed out before their Senior year.
This staff had Bryan Felter and CJ Hanson in a center guard rotation with Krimin and Palliant last season. What happened to them? A wasted year of development if they are so bad converted D linemen are ahead of them. Bordner and Rainey from D to O line may eventually work out but right now they are liabilities. This staff elevated Pierce to a prominent role in the line up and he too is currently a liability for the most part. Granted Sutton injury hurts and O'Neil has missed some time but the line play was better before this staff made the changes/so-called improvements they've made this season
 

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Rewatched and on every completed pass more than 15 yards (other than the 3rd and 17 when NU rolled the pocket), Hilinski got the ball out of his hand in less than 2.7 seconds. So the RU pass rush wasn't as bad as we thought. Within 3.5 seconds he started to scramble or just throw the ball away, almost every time.

With Rutgers on the other hand, Vedral only had two passes beyond the line of scrimmage where he got the ball out in less than 4 seconds (and I think one was the jump pass). Offensive line wasn't great but they were being asked to do a lot more than NU's was.
 
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dasonata259

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This staff had Bryan Felter and CJ Hanson in a center guard rotation with Krimin and Palliant last season. What happened to them? A wasted year of development if they are so bad converted D linemen are ahead of them. Bordner and Rainey from D to O line may eventually work out but right now they are liabilities. This staff elevated Pierce to a prominent role in the line up and he too is currently a liability for the most part. Granted Sutton injury hurts and O'Neil has missed some time but the line play was better before this staff made the changes/so-called improvements they've made this season
The line looked a lot better once it looked like Hanson (though maybe could have been Gus) was in at center with Krimin at guard. Paillant looked like he was playing hurt and his replacement Ireland Brown (formerly Burke) flashed a little, but also got beaten a few times. Troy Rainey on the rewatch wasn't as bad as I saw in real time, but is still not reliable in pass protection on his own. Pierce gave up one sack where Vedral was 11 yards behind the line of scrimmage and the DE just ran around the outside, otherwise Hollin is still servicable though not "good" per se, yet. Blitz pickup was not great, but a few times it was because the back got in the way of the blitzer but Vedral stepped into space that allowed the defender to not even need to engage the back.

I don't understand why they can't play Felter though he was better in run blocking than pass last year also, so they probably think Paillant and Rainey mainly will get more push in the run game. They need to just forget the run game though as a priority because if you score 7 points on Northwestern, you are not going to be able to run against anybody else without the threat of a pass. So they need to get the best pass blocking OL combination possible by whatever means necessary and then if they get a lead or are in non-passing situations when they can play action OR throw on early downs, then maybe you reconsider and put in someone like Rainey who can shove some people around. Otherwise just run off of the pass since what they are doing now isn't working anyway, especially with quick hitting runs that were successful. Even though runs were not working, play action would have worked if the ball came out quick because the linebackers were biting. Unfortunately they had way too much time to recover back to the second level when the ball was coming out in more than 4 seconds virtually every time. Watching the Gleeson Princeton highlights, the ball always came out quick. At Oklahoma State, the ball either came out quick OR the quarterback rolled in a pre-designed way so the line knew where he was going. When they didn't do that the OSU QBs faced the same fate Vedral did today, you just can't put that much pressure on this Offensive line. Northwestern's OL would have been just as bad if they always had to block for 4 seconds.

The long developing, particularly QB option runs were allowing NW to have one crashing LB take both the QB and the RB, like on the fumble play. Monangai has success because he dives the ball quick and is at the line of scrimmage within 1 second, not more than 2. You can't do a strategy with long developing runs AND long developing passes, it has to be one or the other.
 
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I’m guessing Gleeson had a play call that was too risky for Schianos liking so they tried to switch it up to something that was less likely to turn the ball over and it caused the delay.

The problem is this isn’t changing. Schiano is the exact same guy. I give him credit for hiring Gleeson and attempting to get modern. He’s just not capable of it ultimately. It’s not who he is nor will he ever be. He’d rather win a 10-7 game then a 45-43 game.

C'mon, this attacking Schiano for Gleesons inept offense is comical. You can call any play in the BIG12 and score points. Defenses actually know what they are doing in the BIG10 and this guy isn't up to the challenge.

He can't get the plays in on time, calls screen after screen, never pushes the ball down the field, completely ignores the middle of the field, the plays are super slow to develop and the QB is even slower with his reads. Blaming the OL and Schiano is a joke. It's his job to figure this out. There is enough talent at RB and WR to make it work.

Fridge would have us scoring points no problem.
 

realhoops2

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Rewatched and on every completed pass more than 15 yards (other than the 3rd and 17 when NU rolled the pocket), Hilinski got the ball out of his hand in less than 2.7 seconds. So the RU pass rush wasn't as bad as we thought. Within 3.5 seconds he started to scramble or just throw the ball away, almost every time.

With Rutgers on the other hand, Vedral only had two passes beyond the line of scrimmage where he got the ball out in less than 4 seconds. Offensive line wasn't great but they were being asked to do a lot more than NU's was.
We all know the Oline needs serious upgrading but this narrative that claims he is running for his life on every dropback is BS. In every game he has a decent number of opportunities to make plays and the bottom line is too often he misses, throws a wounded duck that results in an almost immediate tackle or worse yet doesn't pull the trigger on time or at all. The blame certainly isn't all on Vedral but having a good QB can mask a lot of deficiency . Hopefully that guy is on the roster and we will get a little glimpse of what he can do by the spring at the latest
 

koleszar

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This staff had Bryan Felter and CJ Hanson in a center guard rotation with Krimin and Palliant last season. What happened to them? A wasted year of development if they are so bad converted D linemen are ahead of them. Bordner and Rainey from D to O line may eventually work out but right now they are liabilities. This staff elevated Pierce to a prominent role in the line up and he too is currently a liability for the most part. Granted Sutton injury hurts and O'Neil has missed some time but the line play was better before this staff made the changes/so-called improvements they've made this season
IMO the rotating is not working but it's what Aurich and Gleason like to do. The 5 do not have a chance to learn each others habits. Offensive line play is a split second game. You gain the advantage or lose it that quick. When five are working as one they know each other, communication becomes second nature there's no guessing. The way it is now you never know who's going to be next to you which leads to confusion. These plays take forever to develop. Even the runs, there's no quick hitters, no RB's running downhill. A QB who sometimes takes forever and has sh*t for pocket awareness. Nothing worse for an OLineman than a QB who helps out the DL.

Also the staff has decided Bordner is a tackle(maybe out of necessity), he simply doesn't move well enough in space he's more an insider mauler. I didn't like the move of Sutton to guard he moved well on the outside. Reminds me of the Applefield debacle. Blazek was sure he was a guard. Transfers to Virginia acquits himself very well and he's the starting tackle on a pretty good Cavalier team. Right now the lines a mess, they're just throwing sh*t at a wall to see if something sticks.
 
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Colbert17!

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I would like to go through one offensive series without throwing a wide receiver screen.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Maybe it was the same play, but going into a commercial break, Schiano cupped the microphone on his headset and he was screaming into it.
That was near the end of the first half.. and screaming was well deserved. QB draw there? WTF. Then not having a play ready? again.. WTF.

Maybe there's a case of QB not executing the proper playcall option... making the OC look worse. That is, checking down to calling his own number... we'll never know because that's the kind of thing that only the coaches know. And a few here keep blaming GS for too-conservative playcalls... we don't know that happened... but I do suspect that GS was just flabbergasted at end of the half and said, incorrectly, to just run out the clock and get into the lockerroom to tear into the OC team or to get some answers.

This reminds me of RU BBALL coach Gary Waters or promised a press and run defense/offense the entire time he was here.. what he was known for before we hired him... and he never delivered on that vision except if a few spots. But he did win some big games.. something we'd not see for a long time after him.

We're promised an OK State type run and gun RPO... we're told that Vedral is the best QB we have to run that... and yet we see nothing like it.

S P R E A D the damn field and occasionally stretch it long. Make the opponent play honest. Is that too much to ask for? I'm not even asking for success or a win... just some sign that we're willing to try anything.

2 weeks to prep for Illinois. I expect some magic. OC is capable of it.. he has had some nice scripts to start 2nd half a few times. But then we revert to that "check with me" crap and end up with some crap calls.
 
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Colbert17!

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I'm sorry but I can't watch Noah anymore. He's a good, tough kid but his abilities are limited. He has a good completion % because he he only throws the ball about 5 yards. When he throws deep it looks like his arm hurts. He can't let IT fly because there is no IT there.
Wimsatt is the future of the program but he doesn't play this year. Give Snyder and/or Simon a chance to show if they can compete and offer Noah a GA position next year.