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Who, if anyone, around the state will have field turf for the first time this fall?

And here is a 6a question, but you know me. Will the new Charles Colgan HS win a game this year?
 

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Who, if anyone, around the state will have field turf for the first time this fall?

And here is a 6a question, but you know me. Will the new Charles Colgan HS win a game this year?
Around here I know William Byrd is getting field turf.
 

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I read in the times dispatch that 6 schools in Henrico were getting field turf but I think it is slated for 2018. Then the rest would get it by 2019. Could be slighlty off on the numbers and completion dates but I am pretty sure its comimg regardless.
 
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Below is Colgan's schedule for the upcoming season. Several of their opponents are traditionally very strong programs so it will be difficult to get wins and they will take their lumps like any new program. To answer your question DP, I think they might pull out one or two wins against the group of Osbourn Park, Osbourn, Gar-Field, and Woodbridge but that might be about it. Games with the latter three in the above group are later in the season so if they have gotten their feet under them by then their chances of grabbing a win or two are much better. Three wins or more with this schedule would be an accomplishment for this season, IMO.

Forest Park
Battlefield
Patriot
Osbourn Park
Potomac
Bye
Hylton
Gar-Field
Woodbridge
Osbourn
Freedom (PW)
 
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Below is Colgan's schedule for the upcoming season. Several of their opponents are traditionally very strong programs so it will be difficult to get wins and they will take their lumps like any new program. To answer your question DP, I think they might pull out one or two wins against the group of Osbourn Park, Osbourn, Gar-Field, and Woodbridge but that might be about it. Games with the latter three in the above group are later in the season so if they have gotten their feet under them by then their chances of grabbing a win or two are much better. Three wins or more with this schedule would be an accomplishment for this season, IMO.

Forest Park
Battlefield
Patriot
Osbourn Park
Potomac
Bye
Hylton
Gar-Field
Woodbridge
Osbourn
Freedom (PW)
I graduated from good old Osbourn back in '83. Handley's current principal was in my class, and the principal at Clarke when my daughter went there left to be the principal at Osbourn.

Osbourn, not Osbourn Park. :p
 
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Who, if anyone, around the state will have field turf for the first time this fall?

And here is a 6a question, but you know me. Will the new Charles Colgan HS win a game this year?

All I know about Colgan is that they deserve mad respect for going with the nickname "Sharks". They will be the only high school in Virginia with an entire week of programming on the Discovery Channel devoted to them.
https://www.google.com/search?q=col..._AUIDCgE&biw=320&bih=460#imgrc=Nge_YdUHkovP6M:
 
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Yeah, I think that may be the second strangest matchup I've seen.
I talked to one of Armstrong's assistants back in April. He was actually from Galax of all places. He basically told me that there was not much hope for the program. Good kids over there but it's hard when you're surrounded by 4 projects, one of which has had 6 homicides just this year. I want to see the Richmond Public Schools do well so bad!
 

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Spartan, that is a pretty cool logo. And only half in jest, the owner of the Discovery Channel probably lives in the Colgan school district.

You think they will use the Jaws theme song when the team takes the field?
 
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Spartan, that is a pretty cool logo. And only half in jest, the owner of the Discovery Channel probably lives in the Colgan school district.

You think they will use the Jaws theme song when the team takes the field?

I don't know if they will, but if they don't, that's an awesome opportunity wasted.
 
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I talked to one of Armstrong's assistants back in April. He was actually from Galax of all places. He basically told me that there was not much hope for the program. Good kids over there but it's hard when you're surrounded by 4 projects, one of which has had 6 homicides just this year. I want to see the Richmond Public Schools do well so bad!

Sad what is going on between Mosby and Creighton, for those that don't know those PJ's are basically at war. Tough for a group of kids to focus on football with those real life type of problems. North Richmond needs an athletic sanctuary school desperately. 23 school age children were shot during non-school hours in one calendar year. At least south richmond has one new school. Where do you go if you are in North Richmond though and you want to play football? With they way it is set up now... you just don't play.
 

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Sad what is going on between Mosby and Creighton, for those that don't know those PJ's are basically at war. Tough for a group of kids to focus on football with those real life type of problems. North Richmond needs an athletic sanctuary school desperately. 23 school age children were shot during non-school hours in one calendar year. At least south richmond has one new school. Where do you go if you are in North Richmond though and you want to play football? With they way it is set up now... you just don't play.
Gilpin isn't any better. I hear that ANYBODY who wants to play football and live on the Northside goes to Herm, Varina, or HS. I even heard that TJ lost a good player to Matoaca this past year.

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Or play at one of the private schools.
 
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It is a self escalating problem. The worse it gets in the neighborhood, the more the people that want something better for their kids find a way out. What is left is people with no way out, and people that prey on them, and each other. I don't know what the answer is, but it damn sure isn't with the way it is now.

And the victims are the ones that don't get a vote, the kids.
 

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How sure are you about that? I read in the NOVA that they would not have a senior class in year 1. First sr class would be 2019.
That would be typical for a new high school. When Warhill opened here no senior class the first year only freshmen thru Juniors. What administration wants Seniors after 3 years spend their last year at a different and new school with some friends left behind?
 

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@mbonape1 off subject question but I love hearing people from RVA's prospective, do you think the city will actually go thru with the new coliseum? It's a shame that they didn't go thru with the new baseball stadium in Shockoe Bottom. I will be moving to Shockoe at the end of the month and I can't think of a better place for a field.
 

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They will go forward with reduing the coliseum. They need to do tht and it is imperative for the growth of the city. The baseball field wasnt but I agree it would have been awesome. There were some political road blocks and "historical" reasons why that staduim deal died. Now is a great time to grab property downtown, even in bad areas. The city is not going to put up with the extreme violence much longer. All those projects are going to pushed out to jeff davis hwy and chesterfield. The city can't highlight the rebirth of downtown and keep having bodies falling a couple 100 yards away. Something has gotta give and you already know what the outcome will be. A lot of people will be priced out or relocated.
 

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I'm so disgusted with government at all levels, and from all parties, that I don't have faith that they can do ANYTHING right. From curbing to coliseums, from ball parks to birdbaths, they find a way to screw up everything. Sorry mbonape, I respectfully disagree. I don't expect any sustained resurgence in inner city Richmond in my lifetime.
 

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DP and Mbonape I see it from both of your prospectives. I hope Richmond can build a nice 18k-21k venue to house some big time games and concerts. The Diamond is an eyesore and hopefully VCU and the city can partner and build a sports complex between the Boulevard and Hermitage Rd (at least a 13k seat baseball stadium, a multi-purpose field for track, soccer and football) and most importantly, bring a Triple A affliciate back. I now call Richmond my home (I love the city and I don't want to be anywhere else) but from living there for 4 years, I can see what DP is saying. Seems rather hopeless. The city talks a big game until it's time to put forth action.
 

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The Tidewater area is really kicking RVA's tail in terms of progression. Harbor Park is an absolutely gorgeous place to watch a game. It's even housed a couple of big time high school football games. VA Beach is in the process of building a new 19k+ seat arena. They'll more than likely get an expansion NHL team since Las Vegas is getting one for the western conference. They'll more than likely be the next destination for an NBA team if a team moves or if they do an expansion.
 
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I'm so disgusted with government at all levels, and from all parties, that I don't have faith that they can do ANYTHING right. From curbing to coliseums, from ball parks to birdbaths, they find a way to screw up everything. Sorry mbonape, I respectfully disagree. I don't expect any sustained resurgence in inner city Richmond in my lifetime.

Don't necessarily disagree with you... but its the private sector and not the government that is driving the rehabs. Its already happening in church hill, manchester (ric) and now starting in HP. People are starting to move back downtown and rehab. Its just millenials with no kids though, unless you can pay for private schools... the school district is undesireable.
 

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I am shocked that a coalition of the counties around Richmond haven't put together a plan for a AAA quality ballfield somewhere other than in Richmond. Mayor Stoney may be a more cooperative and sensible leader than the previous mayor, and we may yet see a new ballfield. But, I still have zero confidence that Richmond will ever get its act together.

Professional Hockey and Basketball have always had a good following in Richmond and down in Tidewater. I'm not sure we will see a NHL or NBA franchise in the near future, but I think it's inevitable we will see one or both 10 to 20 years from now.
 

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Don't necessarily disagree with you... but its the private sector and not the government that is driving the rehabs. Its already happening in church hill, manchester (ric) and now starting in HP. People are starting to move back downtown and rehab. Its just millenials with no kids though, unless you can pay for private schools... the school district is undesireable.

Even in Petersburg, they are seeing the same type of revitalization. There must be a million new loft type of appartments in the greater "Old Town" area. And it's driving a resturaunt and similar types of businesses boom. But, if and when the millennials have kids, they will NOT put them in the Petersburg school system. And there are nowhere near the private school options in the tri-Cities area that there are in Richmond. This leads me to believe that the area will eventually digress into something less vibrant.
 

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Don't necessarily disagree with you... but its the private sector and not the government that is driving the rehabs. Its already happening in church hill, manchester (ric) and now starting in HP. People are starting to move back downtown and rehab. Its just millenials with no kids though, unless you can pay for private schools... the school district is undesireable.
Having worked for 15 years in Richmond near the diamond (ABC) the problem is nice areas such as the Fan and Carytown is literally blocks from high crime sections. Tough to get any broad commitment from that scenario. Everyone is going west to Short Pump in Henricp and Goochland.
 

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Speaking of the ABC, you know I'm sure, that they are looking to relocate the distribution center. I understand that the old Central State Hospital property is a strong candidate. Not to remodel and use any of the existing structures, but to start from the ground up. I hope so because that property is in Dinwiddie. We wouldn't get any tax dollars from it, but we don't now. But the other economical side-benefits are more than welcome.

I understand that the most important criteria is access to the interstates. They would basically be at the confluence on I95, I85, 460 west towards Roanoke, and 460 east towards Tidewater. Good paying jobs, a professionally run type business, yep, come on to Dinwiddie. We would love to have them.

(Any chance you could talk to your old contacts there and tell them to include a scratch and dent factory outlet?)
 

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Having worked for 15 years in Richmond near the diamond (ABC) the problem is nice areas such as the Fan and Carytown is literally blocks from high crime sections. Tough to get any broad commitment from that scenario. Everyone is going west to Short Pump in Henricp and Goochland.

Like mbonape said, if the revitalization is successful and sustained, it does do what he said. The property values soar, and it chases the trouble out. Raleigh NC experienced an amazing example of this. They had an area of the city that had grown old, and people like our grandparents generation passed away and their kids had no interest in moving back. Many of the houses became rental units. A lot of them were particianed off inside to make two, four, and sometimes six apartments. I don't know how or why it got started, but the transformation is utterly amazing. You virtually can't afford a home there now.

In a way, that's what has happened to the Fan in Richmond. They need to get really tough on crime in the VCU footprint before it seriously affects the area. But, go try to rent or buy in that area. Better bring Bleeding Navy's checkbook if you plan to afford something.
 
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Speaking of the ABC, you know I'm sure, that they are looking to relocate the distribution center. I understand that the old Central State Hospital property is a strong candidate. Not to remodel and use any of the existing structures, but to start from the ground up. I hope so because that property is in Dinwiddie. We wouldn't get any tax dollars from it, but we don't now. But the other economical side-benefits are more than welcome.

I understand that the most important criteria is access to the interstates. They would basically be at the confluence on I95, I85, 460 west towards Roanoke, and 460 east towards Tidewater. Good paying jobs, a professionally run type business, yep, come on to Dinwiddie. We would love to have them.

(Any chance you could talk to your old contacts there and tell them to include a scratch and dent factory outlet?)
Relocating the warehouse and possibly the central office personnel has been talked about for years. But it is a very hot political potatoe to move anything out of Richmond City. The warehouse is too small for future business and instead of relocating as a private business would have about 7 years ago they put in a whole new warehouse system for some 10-12 million. But it will not be sufficient going out 10-20 years. I would suspect that they will go to multiple watehouses in several key areas and eventually go away from one central warehouse for the whole state. Logistically that would make sense but who knows what's going to happen. When I left 17 months very little was in the works but maybe now with change from
Speaking of the ABC, you know I'm sure, that they are looking to relocate the distribution center. I understand that the old Central State Hospital property is a strong candidate. Not to remodel and use any of the existing structures, but to start from the ground up. I hope so because that property is in Dinwiddie. We wouldn't get any tax dollars from it, but we don't now. But the other economical side-benefits are more than welcome.

I understand that the most important criteria is access to the interstates. They would basically be at the confluence on I95, I85, 460 west towards Roanoke, and 460 east towards Tidewater. Good paying jobs, a professionally run type business, yep, come on to Dinwiddie. We would love to have them.

(Any chance you could talk to your old contacts there and tell them to include a scratch and dent factory outlet?)
when I left 18 months ago very little was on tap. But when as of July 1 2018 when they chang from executive branch agency to an independent agency and have far more independence in their decisions- including pay I don't doubt it. The Richmond warehouse in just a few years will be strapped to receive and ship the neccesay volumes and they already have put in the best new handling system a half dozen years ago. That location would be very good. Maybe I'll ask a few questions!
 
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Please, let me know if you find out anything. I got my info from a friend on the inside, but it isn't secret or anything. They had a significant budget to do nothing but identify the best possible location. So let's hope it is real this time.
 

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How sure are you about that? I read in the NOVA that they would not have a senior class in year 1. First sr class would be 2019.

I saw it in several articles but I am not connected to the school. Colgan opened last fall with grades 9-11, so they will have a senior class this fall that will graduate next spring, 2018. The football program only had Fr and JV last year so this will be their first varsity season.
 
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Oh ok I sidn't realize it had already been open. Maybe the article I read in insidenova.com was dated. Yeah if this is their second year open then the SR's will be there for sure
 
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Still boggles my mind that it opened as a large 6a school. I have absolutely nothing against the good people that live in NOVA, just Thank God that I don't.
 

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Still boggles my mind that it opened as a large 6a school. I have absolutely nothing against the good people that live in NOVA, just Thank God that I don't.
Moved down from Loudoun Co. 20 years ago just as the crazy traffic and overbuilding was beggining. Been up on business many times over the years and I just don't know how they all contend with it every day.
 
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Still boggles my mind that it opened as a large 6a school. I have absolutely nothing against the good people that live in NOVA, just Thank God that I don't.
I live here mostly because of work-got to live where the jobs are in your career field. I do wish I lived in an more rural area like Dinwiddie. I really like NOVA, but for the following reasons:
1. Traffic
2. Traffic
3. Traffic
4. It is one big suburban megalopolis for about 30 miles (or more) in any direction from DC
5. Did I say traffic?
 

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I am shocked that a coalition of the counties around Richmond haven't put together a plan for a AAA quality ballfield somewhere other than in Richmond. Mayor Stoney may be a more cooperative and sensible leader than the previous mayor, and we may yet see a new ballfield. But, I still have zero confidence that Richmond will ever get its act together.

Professional Hockey and Basketball have always had a good following in Richmond and down in Tidewater. I'm not sure we will see a NHL or NBA franchise in the near future, but I think it's inevitable we will see one or both 10 to 20 years from now.
As long as we keep voting in career politicians and not making Constitutional Amendments for term limits in the Legislative Branch, this country will go nowhere.

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