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Cal won multiple conference championships. An actual championship and final fours. Thats not moral victories.
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He's also been a head coach for almost 40 years. I would hope he's won something at this point. He surely didn't win anything his last 5 or so years at UK.
 
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He's also been a head coach for almost 40 years. I would hope he's won something at this point. He surely didn't win anything his last 5 or so years at UK.
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Pope has been a head coach for almost 15 years. He has 0 championships of any kind. No NCAA or conference tourney, or even regular season titles.
 
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Pope has been a head coach for almost 15 years. He has 0 championships of any kind. No NCAA or conference tourney, or even regular season titles.
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Cool story. Lets go back and hang some banners in Rupp for all of Cal's #1 recruiting classes, and preseason #1 ranking in the polls. Since that's so important. That was the entire point of this thread. PRESEASON RANKINGS.
 
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Cool story. Lets go back and hang some banners in Rupp for all of Cal's #1 recruiting classes, and preseason #1 ranking in the polls. Since that's so important. That was the entire point of this thread. PRESEASON RANKINGS.
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It's a little different. With Calipari you could always expect a solid 20-25 wins. Because he had a sample size, that showed that. His last season here, he would have those type of regular seasons, but flame out in the tourney. When it started becoming a pattern, of losing early in the NCAAT and SECT, he bailed. With Pope, we can infer, it's most likely going to be another 11 or 12 loss season, with no SEC or NCAA hardware. His career here, at BYU, and Utah Valley, shows that.

People, Mark Pope is not a young, unproven, head coach. Every great coach has had success somewhere. Hurley was elite as a HS coach, Calipari made final fours at doormats, Coach K got Army to the NIT, Knight took Army to the NIT 4 times. Pope couldn't get BYU any conference titles. Never made the NCAAT as even a 15-16 seed at Utah Valley.
 
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His last 5 seasons at UK, Cal averaged 12 losses, and had a total of 1 NCAA tournament win.
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Cal was running on early 2010's momentum. It finally petered out in the 2020's. He exploited a market inefficiency, perception of freshman ability, but then everybody caught up and Duke got even better at it than him. I also believe Cal lost a bit of coaching edge. He just couldn't get his teams to defend like they did in the early 2010's anymore.
 
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It's a little different. With Calipari you could always expect a solid 20-25 wins. Because he had a sample size, that showed that. His last season here, he would have those type of regular seasons, but flame out in the tourney. When it started becoming a pattern, of losing early in the NCAAT and SECT, he bailed. With Pope, we can infer, it's most likely going to be another 11 or 12 loss season, with no SEC or NCAA hardware. His career here, at BYU, and Utah Valley, shows that.

People, Mark Pope is not a young, unproven, head coach. Every great coach has had success somewhere. Hurley was elite as a HS coach, Calipari made final fours at doormats, Coach K got Army to the NIT, Knight took Army to the NIT 4 times. Pope couldn't get BYU any conference titles. Never made the NCAAT as even a 15-16 seed at Utah Valley.
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Your sentiment is understood, but Pope did make the tournament in 2 out of the 4 opportunities he had a BYU. There was no tournament in 2020, which ironically, was probably his best team at BYU. In the mythical 2020 tournament, we might have been destined to play against them in a 4/5 seed matchup.
 
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