Randy Gregory

[Tuco Ramirez]

The article is saying that RG has entered and undisclosed treatment facility. Are we sure this is just about weed?

It was probably required by his employer to show an effort to get clean. I agree for weed it seems a little silly.

In a common sense world, I agree, but in a public business like the NFL, weed will never be accepted. At least not in the near (or likely far) future. That would be PR suicide.

I think that's pretty much what the NBA has done.

but, I don't think he should be high on the job. and the problem is they don't have testing specific enough to determine, if he's high while on the job or on his own time.
there's a big difference to me if he's high while playing or practicing, compared to if he's out fishing or watching a movie at home.

Actually, there better ways to detect the immediacy of the usage. As you alluded to, urine tests will only measure what the THC breaks down into, so they test for pass usage and not current intoxication. But, one of the issues with some of the states it's been legalized in is DWI. That's driven more blood testing which tests directly for active chemicals. There is still considerable disagreement on what constitutes being high, but it's at least more accurate the urine tests. I believe saliva tests also target current intoxication, but they are less reliable.

The feds need to revise their testing guidelines to target current intoxication (via blood) rather than pass usage (via urine.) Most employers who do random drug tests follow the fed guidelines because it provides some legal protection versus privacy or unfair termination suits. I suspect this will be the second federal legislative change if the pro-legalization movement continues. (The first will be to formalize a hands-off approach on states where it is legal.)

 

[jeans15]

In Dallas the word is Randy is self medicating for a emotional disorder.

 

[walnut creek]

what a waste. Druggies gonna drug.

 

[schuele]

I mean if @kaz36 wants to raise sheep for his personal enjoyment that should be his prerogative when he isn't working.

But how many sheep can Kaz have before he's considered a dealer?

 

[otismotis08]

In Dallas the word is Randy is self medicating for a emotional disorder.

Ya, that makes perfect sense.

 

[siebo454]

I haven't smoked weed a day in my life. I do however believe it should be legalized for its proven medicinal purposes. But my question is what are its effects on the human lungs. If i'm paying an athlete to be at their peak athletically, I don't want them doing anything that is going to affect their performance like smoking would

 

[Tuco Ramirez]

I haven't smoked weed a day in my life. I do however believe it should be legalized for its proven medicinal purposes. But my question is what are its effects on the human lungs. If i'm paying an athlete to be at their peak athletically, I don't want them doing anything that is going to affect their performance like smoking would

It certainly doesn't help the lungs. But pot smokers tend to smoke much less than tobacco smokers, so it's definitely better than that. And using a vaporizer is going to be better than burning. Going the edible route would be best on the lungs, but I doubt many athletes go that route because the effects tend to linger longer.

I would bet that smoking pot has less effect on performance than drinking booze. You can get stoned out of your mind and run several miles the next day. Try that with drinking and you'll be puking out your guts. I wouldn't say there is no hangover with pot, but it doesn't interfere with physical activity. And, of course, there are anti-inflammatory and pain relief aspects to pot as well. I'm guessing those are big reasons why pot is so popular with athletes.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

Marijuana is not addictive?

Exhibit A: Randy Gregory

Exhibit B: Dozens of your high school/college classmates that had potential but turned into potheads because they had it under control and they never "needed" it

Anything is mentally addictive. Hell to some, this message board is addictive.

When people say marijuana is not addictive, they mean it's not chemically (physically) addictive. Things like alcohol, meth, and heroin are both chemically and habitually addictive.

Alcohol is far worse than weed

 

[otismotis08]

Anything is mentally addictive. Hell to some, this message board is addictive.

When people say marijuana is not addictive, they mean it's not chemically (physically) addictive. Things like alcohol, meth, and heroin are both chemically and habitually addictive.

Alcohol is far worse than weed

So you agree it is addictive.

We can disagree about which one is worse, as I'm sure it's different for everyone. I've personally witnessed weed as an absolute anchor on many people's lives.

Weed also just so happens to be illegal, and is not allowed by his employer.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

We can disagree about which one is worse, as I'm sure it's different for everyone. I've personally witnessed weed as an absolute anchor on many people's lives.

Weed just so happens to be illegal. It is also not allowed by his employer.

Huh, my mom personally witnessed alcohol as an absolute anchor on my grandfathers life by not having a job etc etc etc. Same goes for my brother-in-law with his dad.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

Weed also just so happens to be illegal.

Depends on where you live. Also, booze is also illegal in parts of the bible belt. Even in Texas

So you agree it is addictive.

Again, ANYTHING can be habitually addictive. But it is not chemically addictive. I'm taking it you don't understand the difference.

That means with the right state of mind (habitually addictions) can be can be beat without treatment really. A person who is chemically addictive to booze, meth, or heroin can really want to quit and have the right mind set but their body wont let them quit. They need treatment. They go thru withdrawals when they try to quit and its hell on earth for them. There isn't those types of withdrawals on pot. You may get a little moody or slight headaches but that's about it.

I've personally witnessed weed as an absolute anchor on many people's lives.

I've witnessed Nebraska football games as an anchor on peoples lives. How many people on this board have gotten drunk after a loss? Or gotten hammered after a big win. Hell, I am sure some even did hard core drugs because of it.

Anything can be an anchor. Don't play that card. Cheeseburgers can be an "anchor" and I don't see anyone here trying to outlaw that. Eating fatty foods sure have hell have had more of an effect on football players play then weed has.

Think weed is the devil or don't, I can not care less. What I don't like are the myths or misguided facts in this thread. You know what the biggest argument against weed is? It makes one lazy and reduces your intelligence. It's not chemically addictive. It's not going to kill you. But it turns you into a log.

I use to love going to Colorado. I use to love the bar scene. Last time I went, I was bored to death. Everyone was just laying around with a f-trard look on their face because they were high. The best commercial for anti-weed was the one where a bunch of teens were sitting around stoned. The narrative was a kid saying, "your right, we got high. We didn't mess anything up. We didn't cause trouble. We didn't OD. And that's the thing. We just sat here. We didn't do anything. We didn't live life." or something like that.

 

[otismotis08]

Depends on where you live. Also, booze is also illegal in parts of the bible belt. Even in Texas




Again, ANYTHING can be habitually addictive. But it is not chemically addictive. I'm taking it you don't understand the difference.

That means with the right state of mind (habitually addictions) can be can be beat without treatment really. A person who is chemically addictive to booze, meth, or heroin can really want to quit and have the right mind set but their body wont let them quit. They need treatment. They go thru withdrawals when they try to quit and its hell on earth for them. There isn't those types of withdrawals on pot. You may get a little moody or slight headaches but that's about it.




I've witnessed Nebraska football games as an anchor on peoples lives. How many people on this board have gotten drunk after a loss? Or gotten hammered after a big win. Hell, I am sure some even did hard core drugs because of it.

Anything can be an anchor. Don't play that card. Cheeseburgers can be an "anchor" and I don't see anyone here trying to outlaw that. Eating fatty foods sure have hell have had more of an effect on football players play then weed has.

Think weed is the devil or don't, I can not care less. What I don't like are the myths or misguided facts in this thread. You know what the biggest argument against weed is? It makes one lazy and reduces your intelligence. It's not chemically addictive. It's not going to kill you. But it turns you into a log.

I use to love going to Colorado. I use to love the bar scene. Last time I went, I was bored to death. Everyone was just laying around with a f-trard look on their face because they were high. The best commercial for anti-weed was the one where a bunch of teens were sitting around stoned. The narrative was a kid saying, "your right, we got high. We didn't mess anything up. We didn't cause trouble. We didn't OD. And that's the thing. We just sat here. We didn't do anything. We didn't live life." or something like that.

You can categorize "addictive" however you want. Weed is still addictive as you admitted. I am close to many people who just can't seem to quit it. It's an anchor for these people and has led to bad decision-making, with life-altering consequences. And it is a gateway drug for them. I've seen it happen over and over again.

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

Along the same lines, my wife has never drank so I chose to give that up when I married her to avoid the conflict it can bring.

The conflict can be avoided by continuing to drink, but having lots of cluttered cabinets out in the garage to hide your pint in.

 

[Thor4NU]

I doubt he's entered treatment for only marijuana.

Hardest part of getting clean for an addict is separating themselves from the environment and people who enabled or encouraged the drug use. Oftentimes this means distancing themselves from friends, family, significant others, home and other hangouts. Good for him getting clean but if he doesn't make substantial lifestyle and other big changes he likely won't stay clean. I'm praying he (and all addicts) can.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

In Dallas the word is Randy is self medicating for a emotional disorder.

Yeah, he made it pretty public that he was using it for anxiety. hopefully they can find a better way to address this for him.