Raney’s decision thread

[chasepollard]

This made it sound like you were questioning whether he could win any championships at all to me. That's why I replied.

"Makes me question his dominance ability 100% and his ability to win championships"

No worries!

The narrative was 4x champ and dominant among most. I don’t believe you can predict a 4xer at all, but last year, you could’ve convinced me, maybe?

I’m currently thinking he’s gonna be very, very good, if he can deal with the stress of his expectations.

 

[uncle jim 62]

4x champ That doesn't happen very often. Iowa would love to have one. Then throw in dominant 4x champ? The only one that comes to mine as far as 4x dominant to me, would be Cael. All the wrestlers mentioned above will be very good. Actually, very very good. If I had to pick one that might be a smirch better, I pick Duke.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

No worries!

The narrative was 4x champ and dominant among most. I don’t believe you can predict a 4xer at all, but last year, you could’ve convinced me, maybe?

I’m currently thinking he’s gonna be very, very good, if he can deal with the stress of his expectations.

Bassett is a great recruit, no question, but he isn't Spencer Lee as much as Iowa wants him to be.

Everyone knew Lee was going to win National Championships, it was just a question of how many.

Bo may not win any, he just isn't as "can't miss" and there does exist a small but real bust factor that didn't exist with Lee.

 

[chasepollard]

Bassett is a great recruit, no question, but he isn't Spencer Lee as much as Iowa wants him to be.

Everyone knew Lee was going to win National Championships, it was just a question of how many.

Bo may not win any, he just isn't as "can't miss" and there does exist a small but real bust factor that didn't exist with Lee.

I don’t think there is a bust factor.

If a guy is a 4x AA, I don’t consider him a bust. Honestly, if expectations don’t derail him, that’s his floor IMO.

 

[643Bsbl]

Lee was so good coming into college!!!! His knees slowed him at Iowa and he still was a bad *** but when Lee was healthy he was a freak show . Bo isn’t Lee level and never will be but now he could end up with a NC also.

 

[PennState1985]

I don’t think there is a bust factor.

If a guy is a 4x AA, I don’t consider him a bust. Honestly, if expectations don’t derail him, that’s his floor IMO.

My personal expectation is two titles with a Mark Hall type career, who finished 1-2-2. His only losses at nationals were to Zahid. Same with DT. Only losses at nationals were to Dake. There will be at least one Zahid or Kyle for Bo over time. I question whether he will be as dominant as a Lee or a Retherford for a long stretch to overcome whomever that wrestler is.

Based on expectations, being "just" a 4x AA would be a bust. He would need to win at least a title to escape that title imo.

Edit: How could I forget Bubba. That said, that match was one of the all time one-off upsets which doesn't diminish DT in any way.

 

[chasepollard]

My personal expectation is two titles with a Mark Hall type career, who finished 1-2-2. His only losses at nationals were to Zahid. Same with DT. Only losses at nationals were to Dake. There will be at least one Zahid or Kyle for Bo over time. I question whether he will be as dominant as a Lee or a Retherford for a long stretch to overcome whomever that wrestler is.

Based on expectations, being "just" a 4x AA would be a bust. He would need to win at least a title to escape that title imo.

Yeah, those expectations are the only thing that would make him a bust. I would take the bet that he wins one, and AA's 4x...if expectations don't weigh him down.

BUT, the last two classes have some absolute beasts that he will have to contend with. Who knows where weights shake out, but he could very well have to topple some generational type talents to win a Title.

 

[PennState1985]

Yeah, those expectations are the only thing that would make him a bust. I would take the bet that he wins one, and AA's 4x...if expectations don't weigh him down.

BUT, the last two classes have some absolute beasts that he will have to contend with. Who knows where weights shake out, but he could very well have to topple some generational type talents to win a Title.

what is his latest weight projection? Start at 149 and migrate to 157 over time? He weighed 64.5kg last weekend.

 

[cowboyfan05]

Jordyn vs. Jayden in last year's US Open finals. Jordyn had and has a size advantage, but they both fought hard, tons of attacks

 

[chasepollard]

what is his latest weight projection? Start at 149 and migrate to 157 over time? He weighed 64.5kg last weekend.

I almost bet he starts out at 41. Getting down to weight this weekend didn't make him look sucked down.

 

[tom_v31]

Bassett is a great recruit, no question, but he isn't Spencer Lee as much as Iowa wants him to be.

Everyone knew Lee was going to win National Championships, it was just a question of how many.

Bo may not win any, he just isn't as "can't miss" and there does exist a small but real bust factor that didn't exist with Lee.

I don’t disagree with you at all. There’s intangibles you get with Bo, assuming he stays the same as he is. With him, you get culture, leadership. He’s not on the same level as Jax, blaze, but few are. I would put him 1a. Maybe a half step behind. That can change easily though. Unbelievable get though.

 

[tom_v31]

My personal expectation is two titles with a Mark Hall type career, who finished 1-2-2. His only losses at nationals were to Zahid. Same with DT. Only losses at nationals were to Dake. There will be at least one Zahid or Kyle for Bo over time. I question whether he will be as dominant as a Lee or a Retherford for a long stretch to overcome whomever that wrestler is.

Based on expectations, being "just" a 4x AA would be a bust. He would need to win at least a title to escape that title imo.

Edit: How could I forget Bubba. That said, that match was one of the all time one-off upsets which doesn't diminish DT in any way.

If he is in the same sentence with Mark Hall and DT, he’s had some very good company.

 

[newguy123]

Bo could be a champ, he could underperform expectations, he could get injured in that room, that $5 million or whatever bag plus the social media attention-grabbing could create unhealthy vibes, who knows. It's uncharted territory with that kind of money and Main Character Energy flying around. He will need to add some subtlety to his wrestling to succeed at D1, can't just outwork your opponents anymore because they'll be scouting the heck out of him. Would've been stoked to have him, but also generally more stoked to have the humble hammers that are coming in.

 

[cowboyfan05]

Bo could be a champ, he could underperform expectations, he could get injured in that room, that $5 million or whatever bag plus the social media attention-grabbing could create unhealthy vibes, who knows. It's uncharted territory with that kind of money and Main Character Energy flying around. He will need to add some subtlety to his wrestling to succeed at D1, can't just outwork your opponents anymore because they'll be scouting the heck out of him. Would've been stoked to have him, but also generally more stoked to have the humble hammers that are coming in.

I don't think the money or the fame will bother him, I think he thrives on it. I do wonder if any teammates or potential teammates will be put off by it though

 

[PennState1985]

I almost bet he starts out at 41. Getting down to weight this weekend didn't make him look sucked down.

He always looks kinda thick to me so you may be right.

 

[PennState1985]

I do wonder if any teammates or potential teammates will be put off by it though

That was always my reservation with Bo joining PSU. Why create that drama if you're the coach.

 

[PennState1985]

If he is in the same sentence with Mark Hall and DT, he’s had some very good company.

Ha, he has to get there first. I can see him getting to that level and I can see him being Mike Kemerer on the low side, which was still a great career but disappointing. Bo comes in with higher expectations than Mike though.

 

[Harleycowboy]

Ha, he has to get there first. I can see him getting to that level and I can see him being Mike Kemerer on the low side, which was still a great career but disappointing. Bo comes in with higher expectations than Mike though.

I did watch a freestyle match between Bo and Jordyn Raney in summer of 22 and the match was close until Raney pinned Bassett. Very impressive.

 

[tom_v31]

Ha, he has to get there first. I can see him getting to that level and I can see him being Mike Kemerer on the low side, which was still a great career but disappointing. Bo comes in with higher expectations than Mike though.

Time will tell

 

[tfpoke]

Which Raney is named Bo? I'm confused.... thought this was a Raney thread?

 

[chasepollard]

Which Raney is named Bo? I'm confused.... thought this was a Raney thread?

That’s fair, we can shut off that talk.

I’ve gone back and watched some Raney matches, and I am more excited. That Greco background can sometimes create a slow attack in folk, a feast/famine attack or a an exciting run of big scoring.

I’m not sure what brother I was watching at a certain time, but they pour on the action. They chose the right school!

 

[TheJimReaper]

That’s fair, we can shut off that talk.

I’ve gone back and watched some Raney matches, and I am more excited. That Greco background can sometimes create a slow attack in folk, a feast/famine attack or a an exciting run of big scoring.

I’m not sure what brother I was watching at a certain time, but they pour on the action. They chose the right school!

Yeah I’ve watched a couple of their matches and I have no issue believing they’ll be great in folkstyle. Jordyn in particular used several good folkstyle moves against Jax that worked.

 

[cowboyfan05]

Yeah I’ve watched a couple of their matches and I have no issue believing they’ll be great in folkstyle. Jordyn in particular used several good folkstyle moves against Jax that worked.

Agreed. They appear to be high level in all three styles rather than specialists. Having some upper body moves can be a great ace up the sleeve in the free and folk

 

[Howie_Fartz]

Which Raney is named Bo? I'm confused.... thought this was a Raney thread?

I get it but I just have to add something. Feel free to agree or disagree but Bo will never be the best he could be going to Iowa imo. They CANNOT develop on the same level as OSU and psu.

That’s fair, we can shut off that talk.

I’ve gone back and watched some Raney matches, and I am more excited. That Greco background can sometimes create a slow attack in folk, a feast/famine attack or a an exciting run of big scoring.

I’m not sure what brother I was watching at a certain time, but they pour on the action. They chose the right school!

Love guys with some greco stuff in their arsenal! I agree 100% with everything you said. And one feet to back move and your halfway to a tech!

 

[chasepollard]

I get it but I just have to add something. Feel free to agree or disagree but Bo will never be the best he could be going to Iowa imo. They CANNOT develop on the same level as OSU and psu.


Love guys with some greco stuff in their arsenal! I agree 100% with everything you said. And one feet to back move and your halfway to a tech!

Greco guys are generally exciting because of presence of big moves, but their attack skills often lack. You seldom see a Greco guy that is slick with leg attacks and high shot counts. BUT, these guys are NOT that.

I can't imagine what they'll develop on their feet just because of an opponents fear of getting their pilots license. They chose the right spot IMO.

 

[tom_v31]

Yeah I’ve watched a couple of their matches and I have no issue believing they’ll be great in folkstyle. Jordyn in particular used several good folkstyle moves against Jax that worked.

Now Jax has jump d levels since then, but Jordyn gave Jax a great match. You get those brothers in OSU room, they will jump levels too