Rating Every Player Since 1945 (And a Few Extra)

[Blueism]

My last post was about using an algorithm to rank every team. After revisions, I felt that my system was balanced enough to move into the next phase of my project. I'm working on creating video game rosters that make each major Kentucky team playable. I took my point allocation system that was used to rank every team to decide how many points each roster would earn. This ensures great teams play like the great teams and the bad teams play like bad teams. Using the point allocation system, a team would receive a specified number of points. Those points will be the sum of the overall rating for each of the top eight rotation players from each squad. Combining the point allocation system with an individual player overall metric that I created by prioritizing accolades, as well as accounting for impact and statistical performance, I was able to provide a rating for virtually every single player since 1945. Have a peek at the PDF file and see what you think. I'm looking forward to feedback, especially since most of the teams prior to 1998 are teams I did not watch live. I did use gameplay footage to learn about as many of these players as I could.

 

[Anon1756769150]

Interesting. Your rankings of the top players on each team and the quality of the top years matches what my eyes saw.

 

[Artlaibesghost]

Derrick Hord was not the best player on his team. I would go with Robey on 77 team.

 

[Blueism]

Derrick Hord was not the best player on his team. I would go with Robey on 77 team.

For the 77 team, Givens and Robey had virtually the same accolades, but Givens was the primary scorer on the team. I have them ranked as one overall point within one another.

For the 82 team, Derrick Hord was the only player on the team with first team all-conference accolades---and his were unanimously agreed on by both Coaches and AP. He led the team in scoring by a healthy margin, as Master was second by over three points less per game. The 82 team wasn't very successful and Hord is one of the worst, in my opinion, primary star players on a team in that era. Therefore, he earned a lowly 84 overall rating, which certainly doesn't portray him as some type of elite player. If you can demonstrate why he wasn't the best player using metrics or accolades, however, I'm all ears.

 

[Artlaibesghost]

For the 77 team, Givens and Robey had virtually the same accolades, but Givens was the primary scorer on the team. I have them ranked as one overall point within one another.

For the 82 team, Derrick Hord was the only player on the team with first team all-conference accolades---and his were unanimously agreed on by both Coaches and AP. He led the team in scoring by a healthy margin, as Master was second by over three points less per game. The 82 team wasn't very successful and Hord is one of the worst, in my opinion, primary star players on a team in that era. Therefore, he earned a lowly 84 overall rating, which certainly doesn't portray him as some type of elite player. If you can demonstrate why he wasn't the best player using metrics or accolades, however, I'm all ears.

Sam or Dinnerbell Mel were both better players than Black Hole Hord

 

[Blueism]

Sam or Dinnerbell Mel were both better players than Black Hole Hord

You're gonna have to give me something I can work with rather than "player bad". Metrics? Accolades? Hord is an 84, which is low for a first team All-Conference player who averaged 16.33 ppg on 49% FG. As for "Dinnerell Mel" Turpin, this was his Sophomore season. He averaged 13.07 ppg and wasn't elected to any All-SEC teams, other than a UPI third team selection. Sam Bowie was inactive due to a redshirt that season, coming off his injury.

 

[Artlaibesghost]

I was a psychologist by trade so I am very familiar with statistical analysis. I find it very problematic when used in sports. The main problem I have with strictly using statistics in sports is they usually don't measure key elements. Take Derrick Hord for example, did he hit big shots down the stretch at critical points in the games, did he pull down critical rebounds or make a steal at key moments or lock down on D against the opponents key guys.Do you measure stuff like that, if so how. I watched him play most of the games in college. and can say he did not very often. He shot alot because Joe B always had a couple of guys on each team that he wanted taking the bulk of shots, and boy did Hord take em. He was streaky as hell and went ice cold late in several key games that season. I just don't see how you can truly measure basketball performance using statistics as the sole barometer. As for accolades they are the opposite of statistical analysis as they are completely subjective and voted on thru a filter of league politics often. as well as the fact that many of the sports writers and coaches who vote don't even watch many of the games, I find them less than useless.

 

[fs-ripcord65]

Derrick Hord was not the best player on his team. I would go with Robey on 77 team.

For the 77 team, Givens and Robey had virtually the same accolades, but Givens was the primary scorer on the team. I have them ranked as one overall point within one another.

For the 82 team, Derrick Hord was the only player on the team with first team all-conference accolades---and his were unanimously agreed on by both Coaches and AP. He led the team in scoring by a healthy margin, as Master was second by over three points less per game. The 82 team wasn't very successful and Hord is one of the worst, in my opinion, primary star players on a team in that era. Therefore, he earned a lowly 84 overall rating, which certainly doesn't portray him as some type of elite player. If you can demonstrate why he wasn't the best player using metrics or accolades, however, I'm all ears.

If you had been there to watch Derrick Hord during the '82 season, you would appreciate what a great player he was. But you would have also seen how Joe B. Hall hounded Hord, unmercifully, any time he made a mistake. At the beginning of his junior year (the 81-82 season) Derrick Hord was on his way to being an All-American. And then Joe B. single-handedly ruined Derrick Hord during the last 3/4 of that season. Hord averaged 16.33 ppg in his junior year, and then dropped to 8.94 ppg in his senior season. I saw it happen with my own eyes over those two UK basketball seasons. It made me so mad I couldn't see straight - and it still makes me made to think about it now. Joe B. Hall ruined the career of a great basketball player and a fine young man. I repeat - I saw it happen. Just tragic !

If you had been th3

 

[Artlaibesghost]

There was good reason for Coach Hall to criticize Hord. Joe B didn't " ruin " Hord his play did that

 

[Blueism]

There was good reason for Coach Hall to criticize Hord. Joe B didn't " ruin " Hord his play did that

What do you think made him so bad, specifically in the 1982 season? 16ppg on 49% shooting from the guard position doesn't grow on trees. What made him bad?

 

[jr40831]

In '78 it was Chris Gettelfinger.

 

[M080470]

Long before the internet but there was discussion among UK fan sat the time that Hord needed positivity and that was not Hall's style and Hord retreated rather than got tougher. I was 12 so I don't know how true but there was a feeling that Hall mishandled Hord.