Ray-Z Going Hard It Seems..BSR's Malik Newman Update
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That was a good question that was asked. "What impact will he have on the program, even though he's only staying one year." Basically if he's on the team, how many wins does he add the the talent we currently have?
I know several have given Ray props for this possibly happening. After listening to that I'm inclined to think that it wouldn't matter who the coach was. If we did land him it seems it has less to do with Ray and more to do with whats best for his inner circle. Not that I care as long as we land him. I'm just glad Horatio played for us.
Back to the first point. Right or wrong I've yet to be sold on Ray. I'm not calling for his head but I'm not confident he is the man for the job. I have not seen enough to convince me he is anything but an average or slightly above average teacher of the game. These type of coaches can succeed if they are better than average recruiters which Ray isn't. Blast me but he reminds me of Rod Barnes.
Unlike some who get blinded by their dislike for a coach, I hope I'm wrong about him. But if I am not, and he we do land Newman, how long could that prolong his stay with us. A good year, hopefully more, could buy Ray a couple of extra years that he may not deserve.
Back to the first point. Right or wrong I've yet to be sold on Ray. I'm not calling for his head but I'm not confident he is the man for the job. I have not seen enough to convince me he is anything but an average or slightly above average teacher of the game. These type of coaches can succeed if they are better than average recruiters which Ray isn't. Blast me but he reminds me of Rod Barnes.
Unlike some who get blinded by their dislike for a coach, I hope I'm wrong about him. But if I am not, and he we do land Newman, how long could that prolong his stay with us. A good year, hopefully more, could buy Ray a couple of extra years that he may not deserve.
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Very reasonable post IMO...I agree with most of what you are saying -- but will offer this. Remember when it looked like John Cohen couldn't coach his way through a t-ball game? Everything he did was a disaster. Butch Thompson made it all the way through year 3 with a significant portion read to get rid of him -- before having the #1 pitching staff in the country in year 4. It wasn't that long ago and there is extensive archives from that time period on this very website. The point being -- low numbers and low talent "can" make even the best coaches look average or worse.
Now that's not to imply that Ray is equal to John Cohen or Butch Thompson in any way. It's just to imply that, in my opinion, it's still too early to really form concrete judgement(which you obviously haven't, making your viewpoint fair and level-headed IMO) either positive or negative. That said, rubber meets the road this year one way or another. By the time this basketball season is over, I feel like we'll probably, for the most part, have our answer on Ray. Either we improve drastically, as I think we can -- or it'll be time to start considering other options.
To me, the worst case scenario is one you point out -- the "status quo". Not good, but not bad enough to fire
I see your point and agree. I do hope Ray proves me wrong. We all know Polk did Cohen no favors. I could never understand why so many weren't willing to let Cohen work himself out of that mess. Was it that they could not comprehend the mess left behind because it was Polk who left it? One thing that was hard to deny about Cohen despite the tough start was that he had "it". He had also proven himself at this level.
Stans left Ray a cluster17 to deal with. This is why I'm not as hard on him as others. However, unlike Cohen, he doesn't seem to exude "it", at least not to me. Nor does he have a resume that proves he can do this, at this level, as the top dawg. I hope we are the stop that he earns that respect. And Ill not deny that maybe it is his lack of time as the head man that makes me more skeptical that I was with Cohen. But using another coach as an example, Mullen had never been the head man at this level either but he had "it". Anybody not wearing pink polos, khaki pants, and fairy looking loafers saw it.
Now it isn't fair to compare Ray to either but recent success has made me want, expect, demand more. Hell, that's probably not fair either. How many SEC teams can claim high level coaches in all three sports. But it does concern me that he may not be the man needed. And I hate to think his tenure is prolonged if we sign a certain player. Some claim Croom was gone regardless but if it took the 45-0 asswhoppin to get rid of him then I'm glad it happened because I hate to think of the what ifs. Would we have given him another year had we won that game and where would our program be if we had? I don't even want to think about it.
Stans left Ray a cluster17 to deal with. This is why I'm not as hard on him as others. However, unlike Cohen, he doesn't seem to exude "it", at least not to me. Nor does he have a resume that proves he can do this, at this level, as the top dawg. I hope we are the stop that he earns that respect. And Ill not deny that maybe it is his lack of time as the head man that makes me more skeptical that I was with Cohen. But using another coach as an example, Mullen had never been the head man at this level either but he had "it". Anybody not wearing pink polos, khaki pants, and fairy looking loafers saw it.
Now it isn't fair to compare Ray to either but recent success has made me want, expect, demand more. Hell, that's probably not fair either. How many SEC teams can claim high level coaches in all three sports. But it does concern me that he may not be the man needed. And I hate to think his tenure is prolonged if we sign a certain player. Some claim Croom was gone regardless but if it took the 45-0 asswhoppin to get rid of him then I'm glad it happened because I hate to think of the what ifs. Would we have given him another year had we won that game and where would our program be if we had? I don't even want to think about it.
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I agree with that post too. My thing is -- it's really hard to have an "it factor" when you are in a terrible situation and know your teeth are going to get beat in. It's hollow unless you can back it up. So, we'll see beginning this year. Rubber has got to meet the road.
To me, an example of what I'm trying to say is how Spurrier kept his mouth shut the first couple of years at South Carolina. Stayed quiet enough that people were accusing him of having lost his desire and his "it" factor. Then, suddenly it's a new day, and he's back to the Spurrier from UF and needling Clemson, Georgia, FSU, Saban, everybody. His "swag" came back right along with the quality of his teams.
My thing is -- either Ray gets it done or he doesn't. I just hope it's decisive. We will certainly be in a much, much better place to hire a new coach this time around if it comes to that. We should be able to chase an entirely different league of coaches with the amount of revenue we will be generating by then. That's not to say I can totally trust Stricklin to go and make a homerun hire -- but I can't totally distrust him either with the softball and women's basketball hires.
To me, an example of what I'm trying to say is how Spurrier kept his mouth shut the first couple of years at South Carolina. Stayed quiet enough that people were accusing him of having lost his desire and his "it" factor. Then, suddenly it's a new day, and he's back to the Spurrier from UF and needling Clemson, Georgia, FSU, Saban, everybody. His "swag" came back right along with the quality of his teams.
My thing is -- either Ray gets it done or he doesn't. I just hope it's decisive. We will certainly be in a much, much better place to hire a new coach this time around if it comes to that. We should be able to chase an entirely different league of coaches with the amount of revenue we will be generating by then. That's not to say I can totally trust Stricklin to go and make a homerun hire -- but I can't totally distrust him either with the softball and women's basketball hires.
Feel free to go through all 10 of my former posts and show how you come to this conclusion. I know low post count draws suspicion but that doesn't make them a troll. If I offended your delicate sensitivities then please have a mod delete it. Since I'm sure you had never seen or used it before I apologize for any discomfort that was caused when, out of curiosity, you goggled it to see what it meant. Unless you already knew, which is my suspicion. If that is indeed the case then stop being such a hypocrite. Maybe I'm just cut from a different cloth. Until now I have never thought twice about the guys on my crews(black, white, and hispanic) calling me that <insert acronym="" that="" must="" not="" be="" used="">. They don't mean it as disrespect, I don't take it as disrespect.
But that matters not, my opinion doesn't matter here. So Mods if I offended anyone other than this douche I apologize to you and them. Ban me if you must. I was a long time reader before I stopped being lazy and created the account, I will be a long time reader after. No hard feelings. It's not like my scores of posting contributions will be missed.</insert>
But that matters not, my opinion doesn't matter here. So Mods if I offended anyone other than this douche I apologize to you and them. Ban me if you must. I was a long time reader before I stopped being lazy and created the account, I will be a long time reader after. No hard feelings. It's not like my scores of posting contributions will be missed.</insert>
Lying *******.
I did I did read the other ten and they confirmed it. You are pathetic.
And nice attempt at deflection because no one in their right mind would use that type of language unless to try and pretend to be a fan on a rival's message board. Your schtick is so obvious.
Go back where you came from rebel troll.
I did I did read the other ten and they confirmed it. You are pathetic.
And nice attempt at deflection because no one in their right mind would use that type of language unless to try and pretend to be a fan on a rival's message board. Your schtick is so obvious.
Go back where you came from rebel troll.
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That was part of the idea, to sneak it into a long post hoping it would get skimmed over. Only to allow other rival boards to try and make it look like it was part of our vernacular.
Witty people using their God given writing skills to harm others, pathetic.
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So in that small sample size of posts I have made in the past year you have determined I am a troll.
Lets dissect this shall we. My first post was in response to a post where we were naming our top 5 tv shows. After that came a post in the thread about Mississippi being the poorest, fattest, and watchers of porn for the longest duration State in the union. Third was the thread about personal scary stories. I see a pattern. I tend to reply to threads that I find interesting and avoid threads about sports, for the very reason we find ourselves in now i might add.
Oh **** the fourth post is football related. It was in response to a few people being happy we showed life against A&M despite the fact that everyone they played had scored and moved on their D. I suppose this could be seen as a poor attempt at trolling but it isn't like i was the only one that shared that opinion. I guess I didn't sell being pissed we lost bad enough.
The fifth post shows me worried about the Ark. game if Dak and Russell were out. Is that really trolling? I know Ark. sucked but was I the only one worried about both being out? I even said if our D played like it had been it wouldn't matter but I think missing your 2 best QB's is reason to worry. Troll scale minimal.
Six and seven are in the same thread and I was called a bear. But if anyone recalls the thread, it was a rehash of a topic that had been discussed at length a few weeks prior. No new info was provided, just people bitching about the same ****. I doubt Im the only one that gets frustrated seeing that ****. Someone also poked fun at me being like my avatar Raffi because me grammar is ...umm not so good. Hell I know this so i didn't take offense. I thought it was funny. Troll Rating 4/10 or 8/10...depending how obtuse you are.
Post 8 was about Walking Dead. On the plus side it wasn't negative MSU. Sadly while talking Walking Dead i didn't incorporate MSU so Ill give this troll probability 5/10.
The rest of my posts are in this thread. Lets see, I'm concerned about Ray. Not uncommon but low post count...must be troll. To much praise on other subjects...low post count so cant be genuine...must be attempt to cover up...must be troll. You either nailed me as a troll or you just are not that bright. Ill let the board decide.
One thing I have on my side, Engie is pretty damn good at spotting trolls on here and ED(Im a super troll, I read that site as well) and we were having a nice discussion until you. I've never seen him do that, not even when attempting to bait a troll.
Lets dissect this shall we. My first post was in response to a post where we were naming our top 5 tv shows. After that came a post in the thread about Mississippi being the poorest, fattest, and watchers of porn for the longest duration State in the union. Third was the thread about personal scary stories. I see a pattern. I tend to reply to threads that I find interesting and avoid threads about sports, for the very reason we find ourselves in now i might add.
Oh **** the fourth post is football related. It was in response to a few people being happy we showed life against A&M despite the fact that everyone they played had scored and moved on their D. I suppose this could be seen as a poor attempt at trolling but it isn't like i was the only one that shared that opinion. I guess I didn't sell being pissed we lost bad enough.
The fifth post shows me worried about the Ark. game if Dak and Russell were out. Is that really trolling? I know Ark. sucked but was I the only one worried about both being out? I even said if our D played like it had been it wouldn't matter but I think missing your 2 best QB's is reason to worry. Troll scale minimal.
Six and seven are in the same thread and I was called a bear. But if anyone recalls the thread, it was a rehash of a topic that had been discussed at length a few weeks prior. No new info was provided, just people bitching about the same ****. I doubt Im the only one that gets frustrated seeing that ****. Someone also poked fun at me being like my avatar Raffi because me grammar is ...umm not so good. Hell I know this so i didn't take offense. I thought it was funny. Troll Rating 4/10 or 8/10...depending how obtuse you are.
Post 8 was about Walking Dead. On the plus side it wasn't negative MSU. Sadly while talking Walking Dead i didn't incorporate MSU so Ill give this troll probability 5/10.
The rest of my posts are in this thread. Lets see, I'm concerned about Ray. Not uncommon but low post count...must be troll. To much praise on other subjects...low post count so cant be genuine...must be attempt to cover up...must be troll. You either nailed me as a troll or you just are not that bright. Ill let the board decide.
One thing I have on my side, Engie is pretty damn good at spotting trolls on here and ED(Im a super troll, I read that site as well) and we were having a nice discussion until you. I've never seen him do that, not even when attempting to bait a troll.
I said nothing about your post count. Just your posts, and it's obvious as hell that you are a troll. And a despicable troll at that.
You know it, I know it, and others with common sense know it. Only someone attempting to do harm to MSU would come to an MSU board and type the stuff you do.
You can keep trying to sell your BS tickets all you want but I can see through you easily. It's a damn shame others haven't already.
You know it, I know it, and others with common sense know it. Only someone attempting to do harm to MSU would come to an MSU board and type the stuff you do.
You can keep trying to sell your BS tickets all you want but I can see through you easily. It's a damn shame others haven't already.
edited and removed. I honestly didn't think twice about it. My guys seriously text me "H_ _ C we done with this job headed to the next." It gets used so commonly that I don't think twice about since it is never used in a derogatory manner. But that is not an excuse. Even if it offended one person it shouldn't have been used. Since I'm the suck at typing I tend type and not think in order to get it out. Until you guys(Req and Eng, both of whom I respect, pup can eat a bag of dicks) brought it up, skin color didn't even cross my mind. I could have used it in regards to Mullen just as easily. But again, no excuse, just because I didn't realize doesn't mean i shouldn't have.
Nice try and I still don't believe you. In this, the year 2014 when the most profane and offensive word in the English language is put in association with MSU, and you try to act like you didn't realize it!! I'm not buying it. Don't try to play dumb with me, you may be able to fool some others with your silver tongue begging for sympathy BS but I ant buying. Go eat a bag of whatever you want but stay the hell away from me.
This will be my last response to you. No need to defend myself further and waste board space. I'll let the board decide. I'll abide by the decision.
All name calling aside and with an attempt to be civil, outside of a mistake that I have admitted to and addressed, what other reasons do you have to label me as you have. Present your case. I have. You says it is obvious but I'm not sure you know what obvious means. Please, show me where it is obvious. I do agree with you if you can believe that. What I typed wasn't the best use of judgement. So in accord with what needed to be done I changed it, I didn't wait for a mod to do it, i did it because you were right and i was wrong. If you have not been such a dickhead about if from the start it would have been corrected sooner. But that's neither here nor there. So again I ask, aside from this one mistake that has been addressed, present your case.
All name calling aside and with an attempt to be civil, outside of a mistake that I have admitted to and addressed, what other reasons do you have to label me as you have. Present your case. I have. You says it is obvious but I'm not sure you know what obvious means. Please, show me where it is obvious. I do agree with you if you can believe that. What I typed wasn't the best use of judgement. So in accord with what needed to be done I changed it, I didn't wait for a mod to do it, i did it because you were right and i was wrong. If you have not been such a dickhead about if from the start it would have been corrected sooner. But that's neither here nor there. So again I ask, aside from this one mistake that has been addressed, present your case.
Ok I cant help myself. Maybe you are trolling me since i just cant seem to stop. Since I haven't made it obvious, I do not care if you believe me. I've never asked you to believe me. I honestly think you are borderline stupid. I don't say this to get a rise out of you, I honestly believe it. Nowhere have I begged people for sympathy. I said something stupid without thinking, that doesn't entitle me to sympathy. If anything I deserve ridicule and ridicule I would endure because it would be deserved....for my mistake. But I will not suffer your other ******** because you feel the need to be a board super hero and unmask a troll. So again, state your case in that regard or shut the 17 up.
Oh and it is 2014, that word you claim is the most profane and offensive gets said 5 times as often in the norm than it does by those using it for harm. Makes your claims about it being the worst word in the English language sound ignorant. That doesn't make it right. But that does make it one step closer to being harmless.
edited to add, for anyone reading this BS and since I have edited it, I just want it known I never used the word in question, just the acronym. Not wise but certainly not as bad as if i had typed the actual word.
Oh and it is 2014, that word you claim is the most profane and offensive gets said 5 times as often in the norm than it does by those using it for harm. Makes your claims about it being the worst word in the English language sound ignorant. That doesn't make it right. But that does make it one step closer to being harmless.
edited to add, for anyone reading this BS and since I have edited it, I just want it known I never used the word in question, just the acronym. Not wise but certainly not as bad as if i had typed the actual word.
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If that is the way you truly feel then all I can do is shake my head. The only thing you have clearly shown is that you aren't very bright. See what I did there. I pointed out yet again why you could easily be viewed as slow. You claimed my posts prior to today clearly, without a shadow of a doubt showed I was a troll. But you have done nothing to show how or why they are. Which post? Posts? I haven't seen you clearly describe anything other than your opinion. You are entitled that that opinion, but it doesn't make it right.
Based on this thread- even if he is trolling- so what? He is well informed and intelligently discussed MSU basketball. Those 2 things are more than most of MSU's fanbase is capable of.
Seriously- say he is a troll. He makes good points that are measured and hardly over the top or inflammatory. Where is the harm?
You crack me up. His prior posts are hardly about MSU sports, and when they are, like this thread they are measured and not extreme.
If he is a troll, he is the worst troll of all time since he makes good points and knows more than a lot of actual fans.
Seriously- say he is a troll. He makes good points that are measured and hardly over the top or inflammatory. Where is the harm?
You crack me up. His prior posts are hardly about MSU sports, and when they are, like this thread they are measured and not extreme.
If he is a troll, he is the worst troll of all time since he makes good points and knows more than a lot of actual fans.