I spoke with a player who was on the team in 98 and he knew several players that were on Jackies last two years and he said the **** that was going on in around our football team was totally oposite of the way Jackie ran things when he was there. He was talking about practice, player discipline, thugs as team leaders, etc. It was his take that Jackie did not care anymore, or had at least stop working at it. LT is to blame for not pulling the trigger on Jackie sooner.
Read an interesting quote today by Mullen...
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well enough to be under center that much.
I WANT to believe he's going to gain the experience in the spring to be able to be more of a master of it, but I'm not convinced. He's talented, and obviously can make things happen. But you cannot run Mullens offense with only a 20 percent understanding of the playbook and how to read a defense. My opinion? sure, but convince me otherwise.
Russell, like Lee who had less talent and physical attribute played in front of Relfbecause he had a better understanding of the offense than Relf. Russellhas experience in this type of offense, a year on the scout squad, and all the talent and physical attributes Lee did not posses. You simply have no basis, outside of a UK and Ole Miss game to have a reason to believe Relf is going to get significant playing time over Russell.
I WANT to believe he's going to gain the experience in the spring to be able to be more of a master of it, but I'm not convinced. He's talented, and obviously can make things happen. But you cannot run Mullens offense with only a 20 percent understanding of the playbook and how to read a defense. My opinion? sure, but convince me otherwise.
Russell, like Lee who had less talent and physical attribute played in front of Relfbecause he had a better understanding of the offense than Relf. Russellhas experience in this type of offense, a year on the scout squad, and all the talent and physical attributes Lee did not posses. You simply have no basis, outside of a UK and Ole Miss game to have a reason to believe Relf is going to get significant playing time over Russell.
but with another Spring under his belt, plus the game experience he had, AND the confidence he got from being successful in moving the ball for us will benefit him a whole bunch. Plus, he fits what Mullen really wants to run much more than Russell does.
It has also been said by our coaches that Russell is not ready physically to lead the offense, plus he is not a very good runner. Lee was a better runner than Russell probably will ever be- thats where he stands right now. We'll see how it goes this Spring, and I'm very curious myself to see the outcome. But I'll be very shocked if a starter is even named this Spring
It has also been said by our coaches that Russell is not ready physically to lead the offense, plus he is not a very good runner. Lee was a better runner than Russell probably will ever be- thats where he stands right now. We'll see how it goes this Spring, and I'm very curious myself to see the outcome. But I'll be very shocked if a starter is even named this Spring
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the quote about Russell was mid season or before. By the end of the season coaches were stating something completely different to the tune of 'he's the best qb on the team but we cant afford to burn the redshirt'. Might have been a rumor, but I tend to think there is some truth in it.
Secondly, I dont think Mullen wants to 'run' the ball even more for the sake of doing it. I think he wants to 'distribute' the ball to the weakness of the defense more. With our offensive line being as strong, that could very well mean just as many or more running plays. However I think it means that the qb is going to have to be MUCH better this year at checking off to the weakness of the defense and spreading the field wide as the 'spread' namesake indicates.
This is where Relf concerns me. I just dont think he walks up to center with the notion of detecting where the weakness is. He simply runs over whomever is in his way on the play that is called. He'll have to expand his mental game is what I'm saying. No he doesnt have to rise to the peyton manning ability, but he's got to get better. </p>
Secondly, I dont think Mullen wants to 'run' the ball even more for the sake of doing it. I think he wants to 'distribute' the ball to the weakness of the defense more. With our offensive line being as strong, that could very well mean just as many or more running plays. However I think it means that the qb is going to have to be MUCH better this year at checking off to the weakness of the defense and spreading the field wide as the 'spread' namesake indicates.
This is where Relf concerns me. I just dont think he walks up to center with the notion of detecting where the weakness is. He simply runs over whomever is in his way on the play that is called. He'll have to expand his mental game is what I'm saying. No he doesnt have to rise to the peyton manning ability, but he's got to get better. </p>
but did you see something in Relf in that UPig game that gave you an indication that he was doing more than just running over the guy in front of him, handing to Dixon and throwing to a primary receiver?
I'm not trying to bust on you either. I just dont have, except for the egg bowl, much memory of Relf confusing a defense and being a commander on the field so much as he was one of two massive running backs that a defense was having a hard time keying on.
This is why Tyler Russell, even if he cant run as well as Relf, is the hope I have that we will improve and I dont mean in long passes and wide open scoring. Just that we arent so 'hand it to dixon dimensional' that we were with Lee and 'brace yourself, I'm about to knock your dong up into your watchpocket dimensional' with Relf.
I'm not trying to bust on you either. I just dont have, except for the egg bowl, much memory of Relf confusing a defense and being a commander on the field so much as he was one of two massive running backs that a defense was having a hard time keying on.
This is why Tyler Russell, even if he cant run as well as Relf, is the hope I have that we will improve and I dont mean in long passes and wide open scoring. Just that we arent so 'hand it to dixon dimensional' that we were with Lee and 'brace yourself, I'm about to knock your dong up into your watchpocket dimensional' with Relf.
such as QB during his tenure. It was very telling. The fact that we had Tyson Lee and Chris Relf (recruiting to be a drop back passer, good grief) at QB left over from the Croom error says it all. The guy was in over his head. Mullen simply has enough class and sense not to bash his team, the program, and throw blame around like crazy, which explains his comments.
one of our coaches told a coaching friend of mine that Russell at this point in his career cannot run the football well enough to handle their offense...and this was in late November</p>
There is no rumor or conjecture there
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**edited to add**- and thats why I say that Relf has a chance to start and Russell could have 2 minute type package for when he comes in...OR we will amend the offense for Russell to be the QB...I see the first one being more likely than the 2nd because of inexperienced RB's and WR's + Mullen's committment to running the football.
There is no rumor or conjecture there
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**edited to add**- and thats why I say that Relf has a chance to start and Russell could have 2 minute type package for when he comes in...OR we will amend the offense for Russell to be the QB...I see the first one being more likely than the 2nd because of inexperienced RB's and WR's + Mullen's committment to running the football.
nice play though trying to act like i was worked up. I just know how full of **** you are and how you're wrong so much, so i thought I'd try to make it interesting. unlike you, i've actually seen this kid play multiple times. i just know you're wrong so i thought this would be an easy way to shut you up for awhile. Butdeepdown i knew you were too much of a ***** to put any stock inthe terd stream that comes out ofyour mouth (or keyboard in this case).Coach34 said:
You:
1. QB that can run and make plays
2. Able to make the deep throw to keep the defense honest.
Me
1. QB that can read the defense and distribute the ball quickly to make the field wide.
2. QB that can recognize when defense covers tight and can run (but not primarily**)
See here is the difference in you and I and where I dont think you understand Mullen. If what you are saying is true, Mullen would have played Relf ALL SEASON in front of Lee. His ability to run the ball was light years better than Lee and his ability to throw long was, well just as bad, but really no worse as it came out.
What you are going to have to change is that Mullen values qb intelligence and the ability to get the ball to the playmakers besides himself. Lee might not have been good, but he represented a better choice in that regard to Relf.
I guess you can be proven right in all this if Relf has a moment of clarity and is able to absorb the enormity of what the qb must do in the spread because at the end of the day, if he has the mind to read a defense and the ability to deliver a pass nearly as good as Russell, then his ability to run will be the deciding factor. I just dont think Relf has done the first two, so I dont think he will hold the 1st spot very long, if at all, in the spring or fall.
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***adding one more thing......Relf must improve in my idea as well. If he doesnt, he's ONLYa running threat undercenter and not much of a challenge to figure out. He gets better at passing, even if just a bit better, and he throws some question marks asto whether in shortyardage situations, he will throw or run.In a sustained drive that winds up 2nd or 3rd and long, he'll be a liabilty (with all due respect tothe TD he threw to Bumphis in the egg bowl)
1. QB that can run and make plays
2. Able to make the deep throw to keep the defense honest.
Me
1. QB that can read the defense and distribute the ball quickly to make the field wide.
2. QB that can recognize when defense covers tight and can run (but not primarily**)
See here is the difference in you and I and where I dont think you understand Mullen. If what you are saying is true, Mullen would have played Relf ALL SEASON in front of Lee. His ability to run the ball was light years better than Lee and his ability to throw long was, well just as bad, but really no worse as it came out.
What you are going to have to change is that Mullen values qb intelligence and the ability to get the ball to the playmakers besides himself. Lee might not have been good, but he represented a better choice in that regard to Relf.
I guess you can be proven right in all this if Relf has a moment of clarity and is able to absorb the enormity of what the qb must do in the spread because at the end of the day, if he has the mind to read a defense and the ability to deliver a pass nearly as good as Russell, then his ability to run will be the deciding factor. I just dont think Relf has done the first two, so I dont think he will hold the 1st spot very long, if at all, in the spring or fall.
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***adding one more thing......Relf must improve in my idea as well. If he doesnt, he's ONLYa running threat undercenter and not much of a challenge to figure out. He gets better at passing, even if just a bit better, and he throws some question marks asto whether in shortyardage situations, he will throw or run.In a sustained drive that winds up 2nd or 3rd and long, he'll be a liabilty (with all due respect tothe TD he threw to Bumphis in the egg bowl)
Russell will start next year without a doubt. Relf had one good game, and it was a good game against mississippi. Russell would have had a few package plays for the Vandy game were it not for him getting sick with the flu and missing that week of practice. Russell can run as good as McElroy from Ala. You are shallow enough to automatically think Mullen has to run a Tebo type offense and Relf is that guy. Russell will play and relf will get a few sets
"Mullen said that Relf finally has figured things out. Said Russell was coming along. Said redshirting Russell was the best thing, stressed mat duty would be huge for him."
Mullen said this the other night at the Senior Bowl...I know what the assistants are saying...we'll see after Spring practice
Mullen said this the other night at the Senior Bowl...I know what the assistants are saying...we'll see after Spring practice
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