Agreed. Especially defensive ends. I also think our linebackers need an upgrade
Read fired
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Great news! Feel awful about a person losing their job but he was well compensated for his efforts. Just being even average on special teams would be such a tremendous upgrade.
Look forward to seeing who gets hired and having an open mind on whoever is selected. I'm hoping it's a dynamite recruiter and if need be share special teams responsibilities among the coaches.
Regardless, this is a positive development and I'm especially happy that it took place so quickly after the regular season ended.
Look forward to seeing who gets hired and having an open mind on whoever is selected. I'm hoping it's a dynamite recruiter and if need be share special teams responsibilities among the coaches.
Regardless, this is a positive development and I'm especially happy that it took place so quickly after the regular season ended.
IMO, he made it more complicated than he had to. It looked to me like we tried to do too much with alignments and placing the ball. The other thing that is evident to me is that we have had an NFL mentality on bringing kicks out of the endzone. Bad idea. We're playing a freshman punter with a huge leg and great hang time...when he hits it. Instead we should probably be playing the walk on behind him that doesn't kick it as high or far but appears to be more consistent in warm ups. I think we need to simplify things on our coverage teams and make sure we can do the big things correctly before we try to directional kick and use different alignments and schemes. I could be wrong but it appears to me that earlier this year we either had guys that had no clue what they were doing OR we were changing up our punt protection every time we ran out on the field. Losing Foltz was huge. You know at times we've done some pretty good things on special teams and then the next time we had a total collapse. I dunno for sure what the deal was but it's gonna change.
I'm so excited to that DPE won't be wasted for his last year. That poor guy has had to deal with injuries and an inept coach. Hopefully he can shine next year.
Anybody that wants to bag on Cav needs to visit my thread on oline recruiting. Link
You can't completely whiff on two straight line classes and hope to have a competent line when the guys who should be juniors and seniors are mostly non contributors.
Where that may be all good and true Kaz, that still doesn't "prove" that coach Cav is the right fit. Your just really only giving him an out & giving him more of a chance. My fear with Cav right now is his ability to read his cards. The fact that he didn't go after Jucos concerns me. As if he didn't see the problem. I've posted a run down of last years Jucos and a lot of the O-lineman in the top 100 actually last year ended up in this years two deep on their respective team. A good amount of those started. All I know is he should have saw the problem before we did. He should have tried to fight for the present. This is Cavs career.
I'm willing to bet most of us on this board can't afford to screw up on their job. Even if the cards are stacked against you, your suppose to perform. True he has some outs, so maybe you let it slide. But he's still a going concern. I'm fine with keeping him but he should be on MRs personal hot seat during next year until he proves different
Yeah, and nothing proves that his isn't a right fit. What I posted showed that just maybe we should give the guy a chance until he proves it can't be done with his guys. God forbid we actually give someone a chance. Going the juco route is not an automatic fix and if you do go the juco route, you need to get in on these guys early on. Like at the end of their freshman year. There was one guy on this stat that deserved to go and he was shown the door today. Good grief, you guys who want to fire, fire, fire every time something goes wrong are a little embarrassing.
I never even thought of the ADSE angle, but now that you mention it, maybe he put his foot down. He may have even been the heavy so HCMR didn't have to be the bad guy to his friend and 16 year coworker.
Can you refresh my memory, who couldn't be fired for cause due to Bo's contract?
Maybe, in addition to capitalizing on one of the best punt returners in the nation, we can stop doing that silly extra-point formation?
Is a special teams coordinator too big of step down from a HC position? His salary was around $570k at Nevada. So $450k isn't too big of a pay cut.
No idea. Don't even know what route Riley wants to take. Hire Tavita now so he can recruit now and then hire somebody else if the new extra coach rule is added. Or hire somebody from outside and then add Tavita when the extra coach rule is in place.
For those in the know, I have a question. I have looked all over and haven't found any news outlets reporting it yet. Seriously can't find it anywhere unless I missed it in the LJS articles (The H.O. article was premium so I didn't get to read it).
What position did Bruce Read just get reassigned to in the recruiting department so that we can capitalize on his people-person skills and his talent evaluating abilities?
What position did Bruce Read just get reassigned to in the recruiting department so that we can capitalize on his people-person skills and his talent evaluating abilities?
I have a hard time believing any GA is the best position coach available for a program like Nebraska.
I realize what he meant, I had to ask though. Too bad they didn't fire him before he stepped foot on campus, his special teams were on par with Bo Bo's
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Yes. Or do you not understand the changes he made, and how he took over safety coaching?But Banker is still employed?
Thankfully he did, because once again there was zero pass rush this year.
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Good Lord. They got rid of him, but you need to continue to kick a man when he's down. They handled this like adults, something lost on the knuckle-draggers in the fan base.
Bo had complete control of hiring and hiring. At one point early on Tom told Bo to fire Carl and was told, "if he goes, I go" meaning if you want Carl gone you have to fire me. I don't have first hand knowledge of that exchange but the guy that told that me that is inside the program far enough for me to believe it was the truth. IF it had been me I would have told Bo to hit the road. Maybe that's why Bo tried to get every ticket out of town he could shortly after he got here. Tom allowed that in Bo's contract because as a former head coach he knew that there could be pressure exerted by the University to remove staff based on a short term poor performance. Logical for a former coach to think that way. What he didn't anticipate (and should have from past incidents) was that Carl was going to do some of the things he was going to do AND that his brother would refuse to can him.
I don't want him fired. I want him to produce a quality product. I'd love for him to exceed at NU but he has not yet. " Nothing proves that his isn't a right fit " ? How about hours upon hours of game footage? But of course he has an excuse for that, Bo's recruiting.
And I agree going after Jucos is not an automatic fix but what is? At least try. Maybe your personal MO is to curl up in a ball and ignore problems when they occur, that's not mine. I am a veteran of this great country and the armed forces taught me to go down trying. And let me get this straight, you state he shouldn't have attempted to go after jucos last year because he wasn't on them the year before? Really? I don't know if that's a cop-out or just plan BS. So your basically saying every Juco that commits to schools was being recruited by that school for over a year? That's never true in recruiting. Teams sweep in with later offers on kids they weren't recruiting all the time.
But if that was the case, why didn't he learn last year and start recruiting Juco's for this year? Still don't have a ton of upper-class depth on the O-line going into next year. Again, I don't think this would be the right time to fire Cav but I believe he should be on Riley's hot seat. I am just saying, don't try to defend the guy like he's = to Bill Callahan when it comes to greatness of O-line coaches. He's not proven he is an elite coach.
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Most coaches across the country aren't loading up on JUCOs. Our boy Parrella doesn't see fit to really go after too many either even though his position group might be #1 in most need of immediate help.
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I know I have said this on here more than a couple of times but it needs repeating. If you take a JUCO you then have to not take a high school player to keep the numbers at 85 (88). So who are you not going to sign in this class so that you can sign a JUCO DE or 2. The JUCO guys are going to be the same age as the kids that are redshirt freshmen that are already on your roster. Tell me who the JUCO DEs are that are going to come in here and start that are guaranteed to be better than what you have already on your roster.
Signing JUCOs is a desperate attempt to fill holes. It creates an imbalance in classes because you are recruiting players that will be juniors and not recruiting kids that would be freshmen. So your junior class gets out of whack. Then there are a number of JUCOs that will redshirt a year after transferring. Again what is the point? If the JUCO player can't help immediately there is even less of a need for that player.
Signing JUCOs is a desperate attempt to fill holes. It creates an imbalance in classes because you are recruiting players that will be juniors and not recruiting kids that would be freshmen. So your junior class gets out of whack. Then there are a number of JUCOs that will redshirt a year after transferring. Again what is the point? If the JUCO player can't help immediately there is even less of a need for that player.
I think the discussion is about OLineman. The 2013 class hasn't provided much to the depth chart. If the 2015 class doesn't either, it makes for slim pickin's or you need everyone else to pan out. Not that I would argue the point, but I understand why some would like to see us pursuing JUCO OL players. In addition to "now", the question would be why didn't we go after JUCO OL last year.
Playing physical in the trenches is a mindset and must be done in practice on a regular basis. Can't just turn a switch on Saturdays and expect to be a physical team. Banker's post game comments were very telling about the Iowa bloodbath practices.Yes, you risk injuries but you will never install a physical style without it. You play like you practice.
Hamilton from Miami is someone I wish we went after. Midyear JUCO transfer with 3 years to play 2. He committed to Colorado over the summer.
Van Ginkel is another. He's from Rocky Valley, Iowa [north of Sioux City], and played at Iowa Western, 65 miles from Nebraska's campus. 6'4", 240-ish, super high motor with college experience. I'm not sure who would take anyone on our current roster over VG but to each their own.
Burton down in Arizona is another, I'm not sure he has the length Parrella likes though.
They were out there, but our staff decided not to go that route. That's their choice, so I don't think it's something we shouldn't discuss. DE is a glaring weakness on the 2016 team, and it doesn't look much better for the 2017 depth chart. Maybe in 2018 it'll be different, but right now where we're at, it's a hole we didn't fill for the next season.
No, it doesn't.
Van Ginkel is another. He's from Rocky Valley, Iowa [north of Sioux City], and played at Iowa Western, 65 miles from Nebraska's campus. 6'4", 240-ish, super high motor with college experience. I'm not sure who would take anyone on our current roster over VG but to each their own.
Burton down in Arizona is another, I'm not sure he has the length Parrella likes though.
They were out there, but our staff decided not to go that route. That's their choice, so I don't think it's something we shouldn't discuss. DE is a glaring weakness on the 2016 team, and it doesn't look much better for the 2017 depth chart. Maybe in 2018 it'll be different, but right now where we're at, it's a hole we didn't fill for the next season.
No, it doesn't.
Parrella went after Van Ginkel. He was probably the primary JUCO we pursued. Ultimately chose Wisconsin.The other kid, I think was a DT with a knee injury.
Since Parrella did pretty well on the HS trail, I think he let the DT slide into other options.
You have 15 OL now, you lose 2 in Whitaker and Utter. That gets you to 13 - 10 of those players are going to be juniors, sophomores or redshirt freshman, you have 3 linemen committed for next year and have a small chance with 2 more in Sarrell and Filiaga. I don't think you have room to take too many more simply because you are taking in more than you are losing.
IF Hannon and Johnson do not return, you may be able to fit in a grad transfer.
But a JUCO with 2 or 3 years to play just adds to what would quickly become a crowded room.
Johnson graduates in December, he should be gone. Hannon is a really good student, not sure when he graduates but I'll be surprised if it's not this summer at the latest.
I can't imagine either player on the 2017 roster. Head scratcher if either are.
The premis is still the same. If this staff is going to redshirt every OLineman, you simply can't have multiple classes with 4 or 5 OL. Because while there maybe room now, there won't be the following years. So loading up to 16 OL this year does nothing but create issues with future classes.
As I said, this is not my argument, I understand the perspective of needing JUCO OL, and it is after the fact. It's always easier to judge after the fact, and I don't know the details going in. Maybe the staff felt they had all the pieces they needed, maybe the staff didn't identify someone that could come in right now, maybe they weren't looking.
You could have 20 OL on scholarship, you still have to be able to put 5 on the field that are at least decent. We have too many "dead" classes, they count against scholarships, but they can't crack the two-deep.
saying Nebraska needed JUCO lineman after the fact is pointless though. Too many people use 20/20 hindsight when they criticize decisions.
The staff had to make decisions based on what they had and what they knew then. Before spring practice and before Thurston left, before the nagging injuries.
What is the point in discussing what should have happened? I am talking about this class, the one being recruited right now.
This is the fundamental problem. We have to shed "dead weight" to bring in "good weight".
Riley isn't going to be able to be able to overload the OL numbers unless he wants to short out another position group. We either have to show some folks the door and bring in JUCO's or grad transfers, or wait until they graduate (which might be the preferred method if they are close enough).
Its quite apparent to me, that the administration is on the "same page" in that this will be a rebuild that takes some time and is "done right" via the draft rather than free agency (ie HS rather than JUCO). Even if Riley does not win a championship and retires in say a few years, I think the admin would like to have a roster that is properly built for the next guy, and some momentum to build upon.
I do not see any iota of a move, that is predicated on loading up on JUCOs and slash and burn, in the hopes of winning "it all" ("it all" left to you the fan, whether the B1G or the NC) in years 2 and 3.
I didn't question your premise, nor do I think we should go after JUCO OL guys. I simply added 1 scholarship should be open [Johnson] with a good chance of a 2nd one as well [Hannon].
Fair enough.
I wish I knew of a couple of grad transfers where Nebraska could use those open scholarships