Reading NAFOOM, they can't understand why State fans...

[dawgstudent]

are so vigorous about the cowbells. Yes, we know it creates an advantage. We get it but for a school that lacks many traditions, this is one that is near and dear to State fans and has been around for at least 60 years. We will be irrational about it.

If it's just a tradition, I propose Ole Miss change their colors to pink and white. It's just colors.

 

[dawgstudent]

are so vigorous about the cowbells. Yes, we know it creates an advantage. We get it but for a school that lacks many traditions, this is one that is near and dear to State fans and has been around for at least 60 years. We will be irrational about it.

If it's just a tradition, I propose Ole Miss change their colors to pink and white. It's just colors.

 

[AlCoDog]

why they would fight sohardto keep a racist mascot

 

[Felonious Junk]

the response to that is that traditions of school colors cant change the outcome of a game, single play, audible, snap count, etc. etc. etc.

although i am obviously in support of keeping the bells, the two "traditions" can not be compared

 

[holeflow]

i wonder why teams use hand signals to call plays or silent snap counts?

if noise were the issue here - ok. if that is the sole concern - then let the SEC fine us if the decibel level of Davis Wade gets louder than the crazies at Rocky Top or Bryant-Denny or any of the other noisy stadiums across the country. i bet we don't even come close to being as loud as those places - give every man, woman, and child a cowbell upon entry and we still don't get that loud with two open ends to our stadium...

 

[38843dawg]

someonewouldhavesaidit

 

[Jackdragbean]

Because they're slowly getting rid of every tradition they ever had and don't give 2 ***** and how many lawyers do you know that actually have a firm stance about anything? Unless they can sue when a tradition is broken like they can when a bone is broken, they don't give a ****.

 

[olemissbydamn]

I just don't understand why somebody doesn't propose keeping the cowbells with the understanding that they can be rung at any time other than when the opponent has the ball.

Some of you want to act like its only about tradition, but you aren't willing to give up using them as an advantage in an effort to keep the tradition. When you do that, it becomes apparent that the tradition angle is just a crutch forthe real issue...being able to gain an advantage due to an artificial noisemaker.

 

[RebelBruiser]

but I completely understand why you hold so vigorously to the cowbells, even though it does create an advantage for you.

Doesn't mean I have to like the tradition, though I understand why you would want the school to fight to make sure the SEC doesn't take it away.

 

[dawgstudent]

and relatively speaking as it concerns SEC fanbases, the cowbell is rather important to MSU fans. So we are going to be irrational.

 

[Felonious Junk]

you are making the other school's point. the rule is in place for artificial noisemakers as opposed to a **** load of people yelling really loud with their voices.

feel free to be as loud as you want with your voice, stomp your feet, clap your hands, whatever, but dont manufacture the noise with any thing else.

that is our oppositions stance.

 

[dawgstudent]

They are definitely used to create an advantage. And the thing is - State people aren't saying no one else can't bring artificial noisemakers. If Ole Miss, LSU, Vandy, etc want to bring them - feel free.

 

[GroveHard]

I think most rational Ole Miss fans understand the tradition argument. The problem is that there are some State fans arguing that the cowbells don't create an advantage. They are one of the SEC's most unique traditions, but it's tough to argue that because of that, they should somehow be exempted from the artificial noisemaker rule.

 

[Agentdog]

it does create an advantage for you.

Link
Asked about them prior to their coaches’ meetings earlier today, both South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier and Georgia coach Mark Richt indicated they didn’t think they were that big of a deal. “We’ve got to make adjustments on noise pretty much every place we play,” Richt said. His Georgia team last visited State in 2005 and will again this season.

Spurrier said the debate wasn’t “that big a deal,” but did say that the rule was a “good rule.” And then this: “I guess it could bother the quarterbacks, but at most of our stadiums, you can’t hear anything anyway.” The Gamecocks last visited Starkville in 2006.

 

[dawgstudent]

my question is - just drop the rule. We don't care if y'all bring whatever to Oxford.

 

[GroveHard]

Either scrap the rule and allow a free for all or enforce the rule.

 

[Felonious Junk]

most of the other stadiums seat 70-80k not 40. the only way for 40 thousand people to sound like 80 thousand is with some help. and again i love the cowbells but saying is doesnt add an advantage is preposterous. otherwise it would sound like 40 thousand people right?

 

[fairweatherfan]

ring their cowbell versus blast the speakers cranked up to 11. Ringing cowbells does create a slight advantage, but it is not about the advantage, its about the tradition. Sure, pumping LOUD MUSIC in would give a better advantage, but we just want to ring our cowbells. That is what most non-MSU fans are missing: its not about the damn advantage.</p>

 

[olemissbydamn]

If it meant you could keep the cowbells, don't you think fans would self enforce for the most part? Afterall, NOBODY wants to lose the tradition, right?

I know there would be those who ignored the hypothetical rule, but I think if it is as important as you all act, self policing wouldn't be that hard. Then again, you might get hit with said bell if you enforce it.

 

[fairweatherfan]

TSWRA after the band plays "From Dixie with Love." We all know how well that worked.</p>

 

[GroveHard]

You've created a false dichotomy. You can't blast loud music while your opponent is at the line of scrimmage, and I don't think you can while they are in the huddle. So, no, it's not about State fans choosing to honor tradition instead of blasting "Who Let the Dogs Out?" Even if you had the option of doing so, arguing intent vs. effect is not going to get you anywhere. It doesn't matter that the advantage is an unintended consequence, though I don't really buy that, all that matters is that the advantage exists.

Again, either scrap the rule or enforce the rule. I would be fine with either.

 

[Fresno Bob]

...or Nick sticks or Bear bangers...whatever stupid crap they want to call them. The din would be nearly intolerable. Would the big schools continue to refrain from artificial noisemakers? I kind of doubt it. If they can fill up the place for a spring game? I really wonder just how much noise could be made at those places if the rule was repealed.

....or would they give a rip? I guess maybe they wouldn't since they must not have before the rule was put in place although it did slow down all the cheerleaders with microphones. Could be interesting to try it and see what happens.

 

[fairweatherfan]

between using cowbells or airhorns, both of which are artificial, fans would choose cowbells even thoughairhorns would create more of an advantage. I'm not arguing that it does not create an advantage. If they don't enforce the rule, people could just as easily use airhorns. We don't want airhorns, only cowbells.

 

[Todd4State]

I do not see any tangible, objective way that someone can say that it really is an advantage. Look at our won/loss record.

Not only that, a lot of these spread offenses are called by coaches on the sideline who are using hand signals to send in the play and the entire team is watching them- from the o-linemen all the way down to the tailback. Until we have smoke emitting from cowbells that are covering up these coaches and walk-on QB's sending in said signals, I don't see how the cowbells would affect that. One reason coaches do that is to combat noise at stadiums. I also know that a lot of pro-style teams use silent counts and do similar things to deal with noise. And they do this at ALL stadiums.

My second point, if the opponent is more worried about the cowbells than getting ready to play MSU's football team, then they've got a LOT bigger problems than the cowbells themselves. I think most coaches would take Richt and Spurrier's approach.

 

[DerHntr]

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[Maroon Eagle]

Link.</p>

 

[holeflow]

well if we're eliminating artificial noise altogether... then you can't stomp your feet on the metal deck of the stands, nor slap your hands against the seat in front of you at say a basketball arena (those sounds result in an artificial noise). that's the problem with the rule - it cannot be enforced without some degree of subjectivity - and that means its a judgement call on who?

if they measure the decibels of our stadium when cowbells are in full effect - how do they determine how loud the cowbells are vs. the cheering, clapping, footstomping, etc.

 

[megadawgmaniac]

(from the above linked article)

top.turd.dung pile

AA - wow

 

[FlabLoser]

you are making the other school's point. the rule is in place for artificial noisemakers as opposed to a **** load of people yelling really loud with their voices.

feel free to be as loud as you want with your voice, stomp your feet, clap your hands, whatever, but dont manufacture the noise with any thing else.

that is our oppositions stance.

The noisemaker rule was put into place at a time when refs had the authority to stop play, ask the crowd to quiet down, and issue a penalty for crowd noise. Those days are long gone. And so should be this stupid rule.

 

[MedDawg]

Rough team bus rides.

 

[Todd4State]

Croom. Which would be accurate.

 

[FlabLoser]

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top.turd.dung pile

AA - wow

Anybody that thinks Tiger Stadium is a middle-of-the-road home field advantage can be summarily dismissed from the discussion.

 

[Rebels7]

That's a classic example of how you can make stats say whatever you want them to. I doubt seriously Bama ***** their pants when they have to come to Oxford.

 

[HunterC]

I just wish my State friends would stop ringing them indoors when State plays on the road. Lookin' at you JohnDawg.

 

[JohnDawg]

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