Of course Stoops doesn't want a high-powered, fast-paced offense that can quickly put up a lot of points! He prefers an offense to grind out 10 points a game. You NAILED it.
Yes, that's sarcasm, in case you didn't pick up on it.
Realistic Replacements For OC - Who Ya Got?
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Of course Stoops doesn't want a high-powered, fast-paced offense that can quickly put up a lot of points! He prefers an offense to grind out 10 points a game. You NAILED it.
Yes, that's sarcasm, in case you didn't pick up on it.
Go read Freddie Maggard's article on ksr about Stoops, Dawson and Brown and come back and talk to me
WCS has football eligibility left so he could play,someone said he played WR in high school.
You also go read Freddie Maggard's article on KSR and get back with me...I don't think it is even remotely in one of Stoop's priorities. Field position and clock management are his thing...
Stoops is a defensive guy plain and simple. Defensive guys are about the toughness, work, and winning the right way. A lot of times, people confuse that with being old fashion. That isn't necessarily the case though. Being a defensive guy, Stoops probably wants an offense that can score quick if necessary, but also that can sustain clock controlling drives that give the Defense time to regroup and still be savages when they go back onto the field. Again, I don't know Mark Stoops, but I think I know football pretty dang well.
The offense that is tailor made for a guy like Stoops is the offense that we ran around 2006-2008. We were a 60-40 pass team, but we were still pro style. We simply ran it from the spread formation. As good as that team was, I think our talent is better from a whole, maybe not individually YET. That said, use the run to set up the pass and sometimes vice versa just like Brooks/Joker/Sanders did. That was as much as fun as I had following UK football. Mumme ball was fun but was easily figured out in due time.
Furthermore, I think too many fans are focusing on the type of offense we are going to run. Yes, it's fun putting points up, but effectiveness is much more important than window dressing. Yes, it is good to have a style that is different and hard to defend, but more important than that, we need a guy who is a proven play caller. Just because the style looks fun, doesn't mean the play caller knows what to signal in on 3rd 6 with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter.
The offense that is tailor made for a guy like Stoops is the offense that we ran around 2006-2008. We were a 60-40 pass team, but we were still pro style. We simply ran it from the spread formation. As good as that team was, I think our talent is better from a whole, maybe not individually YET. That said, use the run to set up the pass and sometimes vice versa just like Brooks/Joker/Sanders did. That was as much as fun as I had following UK football. Mumme ball was fun but was easily figured out in due time.
Furthermore, I think too many fans are focusing on the type of offense we are going to run. Yes, it's fun putting points up, but effectiveness is much more important than window dressing. Yes, it is good to have a style that is different and hard to defend, but more important than that, we need a guy who is a proven play caller. Just because the style looks fun, doesn't mean the play caller knows what to signal in on 3rd 6 with 4 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter.
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Will people quit talking about the offense as if it's supposed to be a replica of Hal Mumme circa 1998?
There are a large number of successful programs that run the very offense that Brown and Dawson were asked to implement and run at UK. Of course, the offense we've seen at UK has not resembled those offenses whatsoever.
There are a large number of successful programs that run the very offense that Brown and Dawson were asked to implement and run at UK. Of course, the offense we've seen at UK has not resembled those offenses whatsoever.
Agreed. But sadly I think we have some fans who'd rather lose 48-45 than win 24-21.
I don't have to. I hear much of my information from the horses themselves. But I just read it because you asked.
Maggard said in his opening statement that Dawson didn't have the personnel to run his system. That pretty much ends the debate right there. The reason being is that you can't argue that Stoops held Dawson back because we don't know what Dawson would've done had he the right personnel.......and I can't argue that Stoops didn't hold him back because we don't know what Dawson would've done had he the right personnel. The entire debate is moot after this point.
However, instead of calling someone guilty after lacking information, I look at what I do know. I know that I have heard Stoops describe his offense. I have also witnessed him hire not one, but two high powered OC's who claimed to run the Air Raid (all be a morphed, changed version of the original). Logic would tell anyone that he is looking for more of a wide open spread attack rather than running the veer.
We'll now see where Stoops goes from here. If it is indeed true that Stoops wants to run the ball 75% of the time as you claim (and I'm assuming that was a hyperbole......please tell me you don't actually believe that?), then he will go out and hire John Bond from Georgia Tech to run the triple option. If what I've been claiming for yrs has been true, he'll go out and hire another powerful spread OC.....like Eddie Gran.
There are a lot of coaches out there who don't think twice about running up 50+ on opponents week in and week out. I'm kinda tired of getting up 3 scores then going into prevent mode and trying not to embarrass our opponents. This is big boy football, go full throttle and put as many on the board as you can score.
Slugger . . . you gotta get off the Stoops wants to do nothing but run the ball mantra. Stoops brought Brown here to run the old version of the Air Raid. That is not a run offense and it's not an air it out offense. The original version is a short pass offense designed to use the pass as a run to MOVES THE CHAINS.
This is what you hear Stoops talk about over and over is MOVING THE CHAINS. That is what the Mumme Air Raid did. Use the short pass as a run and move the chains, sustain long drives and score. That is what Stoops is after. Sure it's a more ball control offense but it's not run in down their throats. What Dawson tried to run looked nothing like what Mumme ran. But in the short spurts that it did, we moved the football. See Auburn game. For some reason Dawson kept going away from that and some of that was because he WR just couldn't get off the line to get open even for short routes.
Our OL has never, and will never, be able to match up and stone the DL we face week in and week out in the SEC.
We must pass the ball to set up the run.
Mumme Air Raid did that.
Brooks Pro Style, as mentioned above, spread 'em out and b/c we could throw the 5-7 yard outs all day to WRs that played pro ball, we could run the ball.
We must pass the ball to set up the run.
Whatever....... Air Raid or Pistol or Pro Style or Wide Tackle Six Offense or Glock 11,..... whatever you want to name it or call it, we have to throw it first to be able to run.
We must pass the ball to set up the run.
Mumme Air Raid did that.
Brooks Pro Style, as mentioned above, spread 'em out and b/c we could throw the 5-7 yard outs all day to WRs that played pro ball, we could run the ball.
We must pass the ball to set up the run.
Whatever....... Air Raid or Pistol or Pro Style or Wide Tackle Six Offense or Glock 11,..... whatever you want to name it or call it, we have to throw it first to be able to run.
First off , yes the 75% was a stretch, but I do believe that MS wants an OC who is on the same page as I believe he is in listening to him talk about his offensive philosophy( if he has one) of clock manage, field position and controlling the fb...That is all fine except that I don't think you can ever bring the type of talent to KENTUCKY AND play in the sec to be able to do that. We need to be out of the box...
Brown's offense at TTU was actually pretty good at position and control. And that's one of the reasons Stoops brought him on board.
Brother Bob ran a fairly explosive pro-style offense for years and years at OU......and now has brought in a high flying Air Raid guy.
Mark was DC for his brother Mike out in Arizona. They ran a fairly explosive offense out there.
Mark was DC at FSU which ran a fairly explosive offense.
Mark goes out and hires a very explosive OC in Brown.
Mark goes out and hires a very explosive OC in Dawson.
None of indicates that Stoops wants to run a power rushing attack. It just doesn't make sense. The only thing that makes sense is that Joker ran a pro-style offense then left the cupboard bare......Brown tries to install his offense but doesn't have any personnel to run his high octane offense so he works with what he has to win what he can......then Dawson comes in and still can't run it due to personnel issues. We just can't execute. Maybe it's coaching, maybe personnel, maybe all of the above.....
I believe Stoops will bring in a spread OC. Someone like Coley or Gran. And if they run the desired offense that will be flexible according to personnel, we will do well in the SEC. Other teams have done and we can too.
Brother Bob ran a fairly explosive pro-style offense for years and years at OU......and now has brought in a high flying Air Raid guy.
Mark was DC for his brother Mike out in Arizona. They ran a fairly explosive offense out there.
Mark was DC at FSU which ran a fairly explosive offense.
Mark goes out and hires a very explosive OC in Brown.
Mark goes out and hires a very explosive OC in Dawson.
None of indicates that Stoops wants to run a power rushing attack. It just doesn't make sense. The only thing that makes sense is that Joker ran a pro-style offense then left the cupboard bare......Brown tries to install his offense but doesn't have any personnel to run his high octane offense so he works with what he has to win what he can......then Dawson comes in and still can't run it due to personnel issues. We just can't execute. Maybe it's coaching, maybe personnel, maybe all of the above.....
I believe Stoops will bring in a spread OC. Someone like Coley or Gran. And if they run the desired offense that will be flexible according to personnel, we will do well in the SEC. Other teams have done and we can too.
Darin is a friend of mine. No idea where they got that weird lip picture. It ain't him.Maybe EG can bring his QB coach with him...
DARIN HINSHAW
Position:
Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Alma Mater:UCF
Yeah, I knew Darin back from his Middle days. He was running the RBs back then. Then he took over the offense and did quite well. I think he will follow the Fedora fast track to being a HC somewhere.
I guess you would say I'm one of those fans, but actually I'm not. If it were the case that we could win games 24-21 I'd be all for it, but if you look around the country,even at a place like Ala, that is just not going to happen with the offenses the way they are run today...if you aren't scoring 30+ppg you are probably not winning much...we had a shot at winning 4 more games thus year if we had done so
Tyson Helton doesn't call plays at WKU. However, I REALLY want a philosophy like that. I would love any of these guys:
GA Mangus
James Coley
Tyson Helton
Eddie Gran (he's pretty multiple but more spread)
Indiana OC
GA Mangus
James Coley
Tyson Helton
Eddie Gran (he's pretty multiple but more spread)
Indiana OC
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i dont care who it is as long it's not an "air raid" guy. how many teams in the sec run the "air raid"? this isnt the pansy a$$ big 12.
If your going to be turning the ball over to the defense fairly quickly, why not get points out of the quick drive as opposed to spending the same amount of time going 3 and out.
We want ball control and clock management, but we aren't exactly getting that going 3&out. When you have drives lasting 1:30 and you get nothing out of it and turn the ball over to the opponent with a short field, you can't expect a defense to succeed. Plus they are constantly put in a pressure situation of having to make plays just to save the game. If we are going to have the ball for 3 minutes, let's get points and take pressure off the defense, give them a longer field to defend and take pressure off of them.
We want ball control and clock management, but we aren't exactly getting that going 3&out. When you have drives lasting 1:30 and you get nothing out of it and turn the ball over to the opponent with a short field, you can't expect a defense to succeed. Plus they are constantly put in a pressure situation of having to make plays just to save the game. If we are going to have the ball for 3 minutes, let's get points and take pressure off the defense, give them a longer field to defend and take pressure off of them.
Another possibility.
Sean Lewis - Former Bowling Green's OC/current Syracuse OC - Ohio ties, played at Wisconsin as a tight end. Bowling Green had the 3rd ranked passing attack in the country this year. He just accepted job to Syracuse over a week ago, but I think he would leave now if UK offered.
Sean Lewis - Former Bowling Green's OC/current Syracuse OC - Ohio ties, played at Wisconsin as a tight end. Bowling Green had the 3rd ranked passing attack in the country this year. He just accepted job to Syracuse over a week ago, but I think he would leave now if UK offered.
1991 Miami Hurricanes QB Coach 1990-91- Miami (Graduate Asst.-Linebackers, 1990; Quarterbacks, 1991)