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And you've got it backwards. We never would have even gone in 1997 if McMahon hadn't come back and put some life back in the program while serving as an assistant again. As for 2007, that was quite possibly the worst team to ever make the CWS in history. Don't get me wrong, I loved those two weekends at FSU and in Starkville, but once we got to the CWS it was painfully obvious which 7 teams belonged there and which 1 didn't.
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I think everyone knew that Pat McMahon being the coach in waiting, it was pretty much a sign that Polk was going to leave soon, and I think a lot of players wanted to get in on that, and I do think that Polk wanted to leave out on top, so he gave it one last really good shot.
I thought Pat McMahon, while I thought we could've done better as far as replacing Polk, wasn't a bad coach at all. He did get us to Omaha in 98, and he won the SEC Tournament in 2001. I think when he had finally won over the MSU fans, he left. I think he got tired of hearing about what "Ron would have done". Unfortunately we found that out.
I used to roll my eyes when I would read Genespage pre-sixpack and see some sheep say "Wait till Ron gets his players in here!" Like Pat left the cupboard bare with Paul Maholm and Papelbon, Craig Tatum, and Maniscalco among others. Wait until Ron got his players in here indeed. Pat's players kept the thing afloat.
the guy is the most successful coach at MSU- ever.
And we're talking about booing him?
Heck, it had been YEARS before we even won anything in the SEC before Polk won the SEC in 1979. We almost went a decade without winning ANYTHING in the SEC. He also put together the most legendary MSU team in any sport with the 1985 MSU baseball team. He coached Team USA baseball.
Really, the onlt thing he hasn't done is win a NC.
And get laid.
And we're talking about booing him?
Heck, it had been YEARS before we even won anything in the SEC before Polk won the SEC in 1979. We almost went a decade without winning ANYTHING in the SEC. He also put together the most legendary MSU team in any sport with the 1985 MSU baseball team. He coached Team USA baseball.
Really, the onlt thing he hasn't done is win a NC.
And get laid.
Polk was well on his way towards doing to the program in the 1990s what he did to it in the 21st Century. We had gone an embarrassing 0-2 in one regional then failed to even make the tournament at all twice in a 3-year stretch before we brought McMahon back as coach-in-waiting. We soon turned it around and had a good run from 1997-2001. Then McMahon left and Polk returned and the program promptly went down all the way to DFL 2 years in a row. I've long contended that the worst day in MSU baseball history was the day Polk un-retired back in 1992 or so. </p>
but Ron Polk history/tradition/success > Rick Stansbury history/tradition/success. True or False?
29 seasons
4 SEC Championships
5 SEC Tourn. Championships
18 NCAA Regionals
6 CWS - (Final 8)
compared to
12 seasons
1 SEC Championship
2 SEC Tourn. championships
6 NCAA Tournaments
Never finished better than final 32
<br style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">Not putting a name on either of those achievements, which would you pick?</span>
29 seasons
4 SEC Championships
5 SEC Tourn. Championships
18 NCAA Regionals
6 CWS - (Final 8)
compared to
12 seasons
1 SEC Championship
2 SEC Tourn. championships
6 NCAA Tournaments
Never finished better than final 32
<br style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">Not putting a name on either of those achievements, which would you pick?</span>
as a coach would consider booing Polk. Its moronic.
I thought it was way past time for Polk to go and he left in an terrible way, but HE IS THE MOST PROLIFIC COACH IN MSU HISTORY.
Same with Stans. He has done great things, but if he can't get over the hump then I want to move on. I'd never consider booing the guy. I'd stand immediately and applause him if he ever returned.
I thought it was way past time for Polk to go and he left in an terrible way, but HE IS THE MOST PROLIFIC COACH IN MSU HISTORY.
Same with Stans. He has done great things, but if he can't get over the hump then I want to move on. I'd never consider booing the guy. I'd stand immediately and applause him if he ever returned.
It reads like the enabling justification of a battered woman. "But Mom, he hasn't backslapped my *** in public in almost a year. And it's been over a year since he put a cigarette out on my titty."
F polk and the shetland that f'n leprechaun rode in on until he PUBLICALLY apologizes for his ****** antics.
F polk and the shetland that f'n leprechaun rode in on until he PUBLICALLY apologizes for his ****** antics.
Polk gave it one last shot, because I don't think Polk realized he was doing anything wrong, recruiting-wise. As the other schools improved and upgraded their facilities, the crop of top-tier players that fell into his lap by default got smaller and smaller, and the slow decline of MSU baseball followed right along with it. Did Polk even really know how to recruit, for that matter? Everything I've heard has always been that he picked from whoever came to his camps.
That's not true, according to Polk he got "laid" by Byrne when Cohen was hired.Todd4State said:
the way he left.
I am amazed at your incredible memory for facts.
How do you live with your past screwups?
There was that time in 1972?
How do you live with yourself?
I am amazed at your incredible memory for facts.
How do you live with your past screwups?
There was that time in 1972?
How do you live with yourself?
Why should we even consider forgiving someone for something they haven't even apologized for? I'm going on the assumption that Polk meant every word he said and that he still stands by those words. None of you will be able to present any evidence at all that I'm wrong in that assumption.MeridianDog said:
so I say nail Schmuley to a tree - no wait let's stone him.
Thinking back to those awkward days, I saw Ron Polk sitting at McDonalds eating a sausage biscuit reading his paper, drinking a cup of Java and smoking a cigar a few mornings after his blow up and he looked genuinely sorry. He caught my eye as I drove by and nodded my way in an apologetic manner that squared everything up for me then was lost in a fog of cigar smoke. At that point the smoke alarm on my BMW went off and I was busy trying to get it silenced (German engineering - go figure).By the time it stopped, I was to the exit and could not see Ron in my rear-view mirror, only a big cloudof cigar smoke enveloping his car.I apologize for not telling you earlier, but it is out in the open now.
Are there things in your past that you regret? Maybe you silently told your mom to go pound salt? Worse than that? Did you apologize for all of them?
Excuse me, my sarcasm alarm is going off.
Thinking back to those awkward days, I saw Ron Polk sitting at McDonalds eating a sausage biscuit reading his paper, drinking a cup of Java and smoking a cigar a few mornings after his blow up and he looked genuinely sorry. He caught my eye as I drove by and nodded my way in an apologetic manner that squared everything up for me then was lost in a fog of cigar smoke. At that point the smoke alarm on my BMW went off and I was busy trying to get it silenced (German engineering - go figure).By the time it stopped, I was to the exit and could not see Ron in my rear-view mirror, only a big cloudof cigar smoke enveloping his car.I apologize for not telling you earlier, but it is out in the open now.
Are there things in your past that you regret? Maybe you silently told your mom to go pound salt? Worse than that? Did you apologize for all of them?
Excuse me, my sarcasm alarm is going off.
as far as recruiting. Back in the day there were very few, if any showcases.
The baseball camp he started was actually sort of a precursor to that, but of course it makes sense to go to a showcase and be seen by a lot of people vs just one school.
Believe it or not, Polk at one time was a pretty good recruiter. He had the #1 class in 1995. Way before that, he was able to get a bunch of guys like Will Clark and Rafael Palmeiro away from people like LSU and Miami not to mention MLB. Of course, that was a LONG time ago. What happened was Polk wanted to leave in 1992, we talked him into staying and his heart wasn't in it for a few years. He finally decided to leave again, and did LT's job for him, hired Pat McMahon and reels in the top class I mentioned above.
His plan was to ultimately develop such a reputation that the players would come to us (the camp) but it's very obvious that is an extremely flawed way to go.
Polk's biggest problem (or one of them) was the fact that he couldn't get guys who were draft worthy that would come to MSU. And I'm talking about not only high school, but draft eligible juniors who would stay for their senior years. Skip Bertman was always really good at that, and Cohen is pretty good at that as well- see Conner Powers.
The baseball camp he started was actually sort of a precursor to that, but of course it makes sense to go to a showcase and be seen by a lot of people vs just one school.
Believe it or not, Polk at one time was a pretty good recruiter. He had the #1 class in 1995. Way before that, he was able to get a bunch of guys like Will Clark and Rafael Palmeiro away from people like LSU and Miami not to mention MLB. Of course, that was a LONG time ago. What happened was Polk wanted to leave in 1992, we talked him into staying and his heart wasn't in it for a few years. He finally decided to leave again, and did LT's job for him, hired Pat McMahon and reels in the top class I mentioned above.
His plan was to ultimately develop such a reputation that the players would come to us (the camp) but it's very obvious that is an extremely flawed way to go.
Polk's biggest problem (or one of them) was the fact that he couldn't get guys who were draft worthy that would come to MSU. And I'm talking about not only high school, but draft eligible juniors who would stay for their senior years. Skip Bertman was always really good at that, and Cohen is pretty good at that as well- see Conner Powers.
The only reason Powers came back is because he couldn't get the money he wanted. He wasn't offered nearly as much as he was when he was drafted out of high school
Reallybaddawg said:
I don't doubt that he wants more money though.
I remember a quote from Cohen about having to "recruit" Powers back again.
but if he was, it certainly wouldn't be for his coaching record. Even taking into account that his second stint as coach here was pretty awful, his overall career is one that's worthy of praise.
If he was booed, it would be for the fact that he made threats against our athletic department when he didn't get his way. It'd be for the fact that he then actively and admittedly tried to undermine our coaching search. And it'd be for the fact that he has yet to apologize and make good for ANY of this.
I certainly won't applaud Polk. And if someone near me feels like booing him, I won't have a problem with it. I certainly won't issue an internet fight challenge like the badass above.
If he was booed, it would be for the fact that he made threats against our athletic department when he didn't get his way. It'd be for the fact that he then actively and admittedly tried to undermine our coaching search. And it'd be for the fact that he has yet to apologize and make good for ANY of this.
I certainly won't applaud Polk. And if someone near me feels like booing him, I won't have a problem with it. I certainly won't issue an internet fight challenge like the badass above.
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